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00:01:09,504\n據我知道所以經濟部他這一次的方案主要是照顧民生所以民生那個部分長得比較少那長得比較高的可是民生也有1434萬戶啊是所以他長得比較少是長得比較少可是比例是比較少可是影響的還是我同意還是會有影響還是1340萬戶沒有錯沒有錯所以我們會有配套說師嘛\n\n4\n00:01:12,366 --> 00:01:14,807\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n5\n00:01:30,742 --> 00:01:47,848\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n6\n00:01:50,469 --> 00:01:57,055\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n7\n00:02:10,968 --> 00:02:15,770\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度\n\n8\n00:02:38,138 --> 00:02:45,342\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n9\n00:02:55,123 --> 00:03:04,927\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n10\n00:03:24,175 --> 00:03:28,300\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n11\n00:03:41,578 --> 00:03:44,001\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n12\n00:04:02,782 --> 00:04:04,783\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n13\n00:04:29,110 --> 00:04:31,272\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n14\n00:04:49,172 --> 00:05:04,444\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n15\n00:05:19,093 --> 00:05:28,118\n怎麼會整個配套後面才要出來還因為什麼開會的時間那都不是理由然後另外一個我們現在知道\n\n16\n00:05:32,912 --> 00:05:40,958\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算\n\n17\n00:05:54,820 --> 00:05:56,381\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n18\n00:06:10,486 --> 00:06:12,608\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n19\n00:06:26,704 --> 00:06:29,688\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n20\n00:06:44,425 --> 00:06:55,673\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度\n\n21\n00:07:13,729 --> 00:07:14,790\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算\n\n22\n00:07:35,311 --> 00:07:40,355\n過去我們跟農業部講現在農業部現在轉到你們這裡就是說做一個平台雖然這個部分執行者也是他們可是你們是平台所以當時候允諾包括去地方座談會都有說淘汰蜜乳牛雖然我們的這個計畫是往後的可是沒有問題2023年12月1號因為當時候就鼓勵很多的業者就已經在做這樣的一個轉型了結果是我們的計畫太慢了啊\n\n23\n00:08:04,173 --> 00:08:06,175\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n24\n00:08:24,462 --> 00:08:25,843\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n25\n00:08:43,319 --> 00:08:44,780\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n26\n00:08:57,978 --> 00:09:00,379\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n27\n00:09:24,403 --> 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