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00:02:15,452\n法務委員其實我不能替他們回答他到底是行銷還是為了要遵循法規但是我們但是看這一張這一個公告裡頭你看不出來嗎他這個陷阱這麼多不是每一個人都像我嗎法務委員其實這也是我們的重點我們希望他\n\n6\n00:02:16,272 --> 00:02:17,573\n所以你也看得出來這個是不合理的對不對\n\n7\n00:02:37,335 --> 00:03:01,291\n我想我們最近在多位委員的垂尋關心之下其實經濟部跟我們都有同步採取一些措施那我想對他們來講是會強化監理的是我想這個已經有達到了一個成效那針對的就是這三大主任公司這個其實他們背後的股東是誰在這個差別很大在金融圈裡頭他說這個顯然是一國兩制\n\n8\n00:03:05,654 --> 00:03:22,153\n在這一個三大的一個那個主任公司裡頭他們背後的股東如果他們的背景是受到我們那個整體的一個銀行還有就是有這個銀行的背景的時候他們的一個\n\n9\n00:03:23,234 --> 00:03:23,334\n主席\n\n10\n00:03:40,307 --> 00:04:07,297\n其實我個人覺得因為金管會是高度監理那授信這款本來不是金融的專屬業務其實本來也不是說不能做但是在過去這幾年我們其實包括穩定房價各方面我們也透過我們的金融機構間接的對這些主任公司的相關的授信有做一些節制是有在做的\n\n11\n00:04:07,737 --> 00:04:12,298\n那我剛也跟您報告去年年初大家談...報告委員其實票卷公司也是他的金主\n\n12\n00:04:29,364 --> 00:04:30,865\n中租跨族生意保健中安家\n\n13\n00:04:45,159 --> 00:05:11,571\n這個快速的一個崛起成為顧仲立的一個新蟲我們在財訊裡頭都看到了2020他的那個業績才是8000萬到了2022年他在台灣的業績是2億在中國大陸是2.5億所以這個總數超過5億他非常引以得意他告訴我們說他這一個這個是即將崛起的一個\n\n14\n00:05:12,811 --> 00:05:13,011\n主席﹗\n\n15\n00:05:29,707 --> 00:05:45,721\n有沒有問題?報告委員,我非常尊敬您有這麼深入的分析,不過這個主任跟生醫是不是彼此有互動,那我這個還需要去了解,不過如果委員有什麼指示可以交代我們。\n\n16\n00:05:46,001 --> 00:06:11,866\n我再跟您看一些資料這一個是在中國金融的新聞網裡頭他特別講到了金融的服務還要搭售營養品這是什麼情形就是說你借錢你還要保健品那這一個是已經判讀下來了他判讀下來法院他們中國的法院判讀是說這個是不合理的\n\n17\n00:06:12,446 --> 00:06:12,586\n委員給您報告．\n\n18\n00:06:37,276 --> 00:06:54,952\n被信掏空都不是金管會能夠認定的但是我們上次在財委會有報告過我們會立刻依照銀行的經驗請租賃業定一個內控的強化內控準則然後在第4季由交易所去查他的內控\n\n19\n00:06:55,572 --> 00:07:14,193\n我們也會要求他針對大家關心的這些BMPR這些車輛﹖我相信各位你們有積極的作為可是在第4季裡頭我相信這個時間是慢了一點是不是有辦法快因為我相信有很多很多的無知的消費者\n\n20\n00:07:15,074 --> 00:07:31,731\n就是1.1D是在被陷害的。好,照委員我們盡量提前,然後會做財報實審。是。遵照您的提示,謝謝。好,謝謝。那後面的問題我們要請那個通傳會副主委、法務部常事、數位部次長。我想針對的……\n\n21\n00:07:35,799 --> 00:07:53,105\n針對著金融廣告的一個行銷我在這裡要問那個請教法務部部長就是說他隱匿不合理的一個利息就是我們的主任公司隱匿不合理的一個利息是不是會構成重力罪他大量的在網路上的一個行銷會不會呢?\n\n22\n00:07:54,625 --> 00:07:55,026\n我現在講的就是通案\n\n23\n00:08:10,345 --> 00:08:11,906\n我再請教我再請教你針對的就是超過16%超過16%要怎麼要回來我們從這一個\n\n24\n00:08:33,739 --> 00:08:57,034\n約定的一個例例就是每一年的16%的時候,超過的部分約定是無效的。部長,我們看到了就是民眾戶出去的,要怎麼要回來,這個我們有沒有辦法就是去有保護的機制,就是說來保護這些被詐騙的、被害人呢?有沒有辦法?\n\n25\n00:08:58,395 --> 00:09:14,446\n民法上就這個超過固定的利率它有一定的規範當然委員會提到這是一個特別做一個規範我們要重啟規定那如果超過這個法定利率超過16按照這條規定它是無效無效的話它法律上但民法上它就沒有請求權\n\n26\n00:09:16,187 --> 00:09:36,093\n所以我在這裡跟各位討論就是說其實在整個整個就是台灣的一個現有的一個社會裡頭普遍的存在了很多很多的一個這樣子的一個主任公司的一個廣告行為如果我們沒有跨部會去整合的話其實這樣的一個狀況就衝刺了我們\n\n27\n00:09:39,554 --> 00:09:40,114\n我想是不是請那個我們那個\n\n28\n00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:20,631\n我們請翁副主委來回應這個問題好不好有接過這樣的訊息有接過這樣的訊息那你怎麼辦你把他掛了我想通常會這邊就會剛才在我們的報告裡面會對這個訊息都會去做攔阻跟警示\n\n29\n00:10:25,976 --> 00:10:43,138\n是,可是如果就是有做那個攬組那我們有做很好的一個管制的話就不會像現在今天大家一直在討論的這些問題所以本席在這裡要求我們行過去的P2P的業者管理的一個途徑\n\n30\n00:10:44,239 --> 00:11:05,013\n我們希望將主任業者納入管轄,這個要拜託就是我們的主委就是要求修訂的時候我們要更嚴管的去把這個自立的規則把它建立下來。那也希望就是建立管制下架廣告緊急騷擾的電話的管理機制,那請一個月書面回應我。\n\n31\n00:11:05,433 --> 00:11:20,498\n然後法務部你要重新再檢討就是重力罪構成的一個要件建立一個跨部會的機制隨時進行檢討那也請你一個月內那個書面的報告給本席好謝謝謝謝主席好謝謝下一位質詢請王宏威王委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n270\t3136\t金管會主委、還有永安局莊局長、還有政區局張局長\n16930\t39067\t委員好是 主委早安我想這個近期經濟部為了阻斷主任公司換高利貸給消費者其實我們做了很多就是很大的一個動作跟改善那真的是在檢討還是藉機的在推銷這個好像我們顯然是要再好好的來討論一下\n40888\t66295\t我在網路上看到很多很多的一個廣告就是這個緊急的公告就是三大融資公司他已經正式的對外宣布4月1號起開始了如果你們就是4月1號我們要調整調整他們可貸的一個額度不會是在以前那麼的寬鬆一台摩托車可以借到30萬一台車子可以借到\n66715\t66815\t議員會主席\n96715\t116664\t﹏﹏\n117727\t135452\t法務委員其實我不能替他們回答他到底是行銷還是為了要遵循法規但是我們但是看這一張這一個公告裡頭你看不出來嗎他這個陷阱這麼多不是每一個人都像我嗎法務委員其實這也是我們的重點我們希望他\n136272\t137573\t所以你也看得出來這個是不合理的 對不對\n157335\t181291\t我想我們最近在多位委員的垂尋關心之下其實經濟部跟我們都有同步採取一些措施那我想對他們來講是會強化監理的是我想這個已經有達到了一個成效那針對的就是這三大主任公司這個其實他們背後的股東是誰在這個差別很大在金融圈裡頭他說這個顯然是一國兩制\n185654\t202153\t在這一個三大的一個那個主任公司裡頭他們背後的股東如果他們的背景是受到我們那個整體的一個銀行還有就是有這個銀行的背景的時候他們的一個\n203234\t203334\t主席\n220307\t247297\t其實我個人覺得因為金管會是高度監理那授信這款本來不是金融的專屬業務其實本來也不是說不能做但是在過去這幾年我們其實包括穩定房價各方面我們也透過我們的金融機構間接的對這些主任公司的相關的授信有做一些節制是有在做的\n247737\t252298\t那我剛也跟您報告去年年初大家談...報告委員其實票卷公司也是他的金主\n269364\t270865\t中租跨族生意保健 中安家\n285159\t311571\t這個快速的一個崛起成為顧仲立的一個新蟲我們在財訊裡頭都看到了2020他的那個業績才是8000萬到了2022年他在台灣的業績是2億在中國大陸是2.5億所以這個總數超過5億他非常引以得意他告訴我們說他這一個這個是即將崛起的一個\n312811\t313011\t主席﹗\n329707\t345721\t有沒有問題?報告委員,我非常尊敬您有這麼深入的分析,不過這個主任跟生醫是不是彼此有互動,那我這個還需要去了解,不過如果委員有什麼指示可以交代我們。\n346001\t371866\t我再跟您看一些資料這一個是在中國金融的新聞網裡頭他特別講到了金融的服務還要搭售營養品這是什麼情形就是說你借錢你還要保健品那這一個是已經判讀下來了他判讀下來法院他們中國的法院判讀是說這個是不合理的\n372446\t372586\t委員給您報告．\n397276\t414952\t被信掏空都不是金管會能夠認定的但是我們上次在財委會有報告過我們會立刻依照銀行的經驗請租賃業定一個內控的強化內控準則然後在第4季由交易所去查他的內控\n415572\t434193\t我們也會要求他針對大家關心的這些BMPR這些車輛﹖我相信各位你們有積極的作為可是在第4季裡頭我相信這個時間是慢了一點是不是有辦法快因為我相信有很多很多的無知的消費者\n435074\t451731\t就是1.1D是在被陷害的。好,照委員我們盡量提前,然後會做財報實審。是。遵照您的提示,謝謝。好,謝謝。那後面的問題我們要請那個通傳會副主委、法務部常事、數位部次長。我想針對的……\n455799\t473105\t針對著金融廣告的一個行銷我在這裡要問那個請教法務部部長就是說他隱匿不合理的一個利息就是我們的主任公司隱匿不合理的一個利息是不是會構成重力罪他大量的在網路上的一個行銷會不會呢?\n474625\t475026\t我現在講的就是通案\n490345\t491906\t我再請教我再請教你針對的就是超過16%超過16%要怎麼要回來我們從這一個\n513739\t537034\t約定的一個例例就是每一年的16%的時候,超過的部分約定是無效的。部長,我們看到了就是民眾戶出去的,要怎麼要回來,這個我們有沒有辦法就是去有保護的機制,就是說來保護這些被詐騙的、被害人呢?有沒有辦法?\n538395\t554446\t民法上就這個超過固定的利率它有一定的規範當然委員會提到這是一個特別做一個規範我們要重啟規定那如果超過這個法定利率超過16按照這條規定它是無效無效的話它法律上但民法上它就沒有請求權\n556187\t576093\t所以我在這裡跟各位討論就是說其實在整個整個就是台灣的一個現有的一個社會裡頭普遍的存在了很多很多的一個這樣子的一個主任公司的一個廣告行為如果我們沒有跨部會去整合的話其實這樣的一個狀況就衝刺了我們\n579554\t580114\t我想是不是請那個我們那個\n608880\t620631\t我們請翁副主委來回應這個問題好不好有接過這樣的訊息有接過這樣的訊息那你怎麼辦你把他掛了我想通常會這邊就會剛才在我們的報告裡面會對這個訊息都會去做攔阻跟警示\n625976\t643138\t是,可是如果就是有做那個攬組那我們有做很好的一個管制的話就不會像現在今天大家一直在討論的這些問題所以本席在這裡要求我們行過去的P2P的業者管理的一個途徑\n644239\t665013\t我們希望將主任業者納入管轄,這個要拜託就是我們的主委就是要求修訂的時候我們要更嚴管的去把這個自立的規則把它建立下來。那也希望就是建立管制下架廣告緊急騷擾的電話的管理機制,那請一個月書面回應我。\n665433\t680498\t然後法務部你要重新再檢討就是重力罪構成的一個要件建立一個跨部會的機制隨時進行檢討那也請你一個月內那個書面的報告給本席好謝謝謝謝主席好謝謝下一位質詢請王宏威王委員\n","txt":"金管會主委、還有永安局莊局長、還有政區局張局長\n委員好是 主委早安我想這個近期經濟部為了阻斷主任公司換高利貸給消費者其實我們做了很多就是很大的一個動作跟改善那真的是在檢討還是藉機的在推銷這個好像我們顯然是要再好好的來討論一下\n我在網路上看到很多很多的一個廣告就是這個緊急的公告就是三大融資公司他已經正式的對外宣布4月1號起開始了如果你們就是4月1號我們要調整調整他們可貸的一個額度不會是在以前那麼的寬鬆一台摩托車可以借到30萬一台車子可以借到\n議員會主席\n﹏﹏\n法務委員其實我不能替他們回答他到底是行銷還是為了要遵循法規但是我們但是看這一張這一個公告裡頭你看不出來嗎他這個陷阱這麼多不是每一個人都像我嗎法務委員其實這也是我們的重點我們希望他\n所以你也看得出來這個是不合理的 對不對\n我想我們最近在多位委員的垂尋關心之下其實經濟部跟我們都有同步採取一些措施那我想對他們來講是會強化監理的是我想這個已經有達到了一個成效那針對的就是這三大主任公司這個其實他們背後的股東是誰在這個差別很大在金融圈裡頭他說這個顯然是一國兩制\n在這一個三大的一個那個主任公司裡頭他們背後的股東如果他們的背景是受到我們那個整體的一個銀行還有就是有這個銀行的背景的時候他們的一個\n主席\n其實我個人覺得因為金管會是高度監理那授信這款本來不是金融的專屬業務其實本來也不是說不能做但是在過去這幾年我們其實包括穩定房價各方面我們也透過我們的金融機構間接的對這些主任公司的相關的授信有做一些節制是有在做的\n那我剛也跟您報告去年年初大家談...報告委員其實票卷公司也是他的金主\n中租跨族生意保健 中安家\n這個快速的一個崛起成為顧仲立的一個新蟲我們在財訊裡頭都看到了2020他的那個業績才是8000萬到了2022年他在台灣的業績是2億在中國大陸是2.5億所以這個總數超過5億他非常引以得意他告訴我們說他這一個這個是即將崛起的一個\n主席﹗\n有沒有問題?報告委員,我非常尊敬您有這麼深入的分析,不過這個主任跟生醫是不是彼此有互動,那我這個還需要去了解,不過如果委員有什麼指示可以交代我們。\n我再跟您看一些資料這一個是在中國金融的新聞網裡頭他特別講到了金融的服務還要搭售營養品這是什麼情形就是說你借錢你還要保健品那這一個是已經判讀下來了他判讀下來法院他們中國的法院判讀是說這個是不合理的\n委員給您報告．\n被信掏空都不是金管會能夠認定的但是我們上次在財委會有報告過我們會立刻依照銀行的經驗請租賃業定一個內控的強化內控準則然後在第4季由交易所去查他的內控\n我們也會要求他針對大家關心的這些BMPR這些車輛﹖我相信各位你們有積極的作為可是在第4季裡頭我相信這個時間是慢了一點是不是有辦法快因為我相信有很多很多的無知的消費者\n就是1.1D是在被陷害的。好,照委員我們盡量提前,然後會做財報實審。是。遵照您的提示,謝謝。好,謝謝。那後面的問題我們要請那個通傳會副主委、法務部常事、數位部次長。我想針對的……\n針對著金融廣告的一個行銷我在這裡要問那個請教法務部部長就是說他隱匿不合理的一個利息就是我們的主任公司隱匿不合理的一個利息是不是會構成重力罪他大量的在網路上的一個行銷會不會呢?\n我現在講的就是通案\n我再請教我再請教你針對的就是超過16%超過16%要怎麼要回來我們從這一個\n約定的一個例例就是每一年的16%的時候,超過的部分約定是無效的。部長,我們看到了就是民眾戶出去的,要怎麼要回來,這個我們有沒有辦法就是去有保護的機制,就是說來保護這些被詐騙的、被害人呢?有沒有辦法?\n民法上就這個超過固定的利率它有一定的規範當然委員會提到這是一個特別做一個規範我們要重啟規定那如果超過這個法定利率超過16按照這條規定它是無效無效的話它法律上但民法上它就沒有請求權\n所以我在這裡跟各位討論就是說其實在整個整個就是台灣的一個現有的一個社會裡頭普遍的存在了很多很多的一個這樣子的一個主任公司的一個廣告行為如果我們沒有跨部會去整合的話其實這樣的一個狀況就衝刺了我們\n我想是不是請那個我們那個\n我們請翁副主委來回應這個問題好不好有接過這樣的訊息有接過這樣的訊息那你怎麼辦你把他掛了我想通常會這邊就會剛才在我們的報告裡面會對這個訊息都會去做攔阻跟警示\n是,可是如果就是有做那個攬組那我們有做很好的一個管制的話就不會像現在今天大家一直在討論的這些問題所以本席在這裡要求我們行過去的P2P的業者管理的一個途徑\n我們希望將主任業者納入管轄,這個要拜託就是我們的主委就是要求修訂的時候我們要更嚴管的去把這個自立的規則把它建立下來。那也希望就是建立管制下架廣告緊急騷擾的電話的管理機制,那請一個月書面回應我。\n然後法務部你要重新再檢討就是重力罪構成的一個要件建立一個跨部會的機制隨時進行檢討那也請你一個月內那個書面的報告給本席好謝謝謝謝主席好謝謝下一位質詢請王宏威王委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.270 --> 00:03.136\n金管會主委、還有永安局莊局長、還有政區局張局長\n\n00:16.930 --> 00:39.067\n委員好是主委早安我想這個近期經濟部為了阻斷主任公司換高利貸給消費者其實我們做了很多就是很大的一個動作跟改善那真的是在檢討還是藉機的在推銷這個好像我們顯然是要再好好的來討論一下\n\n00:40.888 --> 01:06.295\n我在網路上看到很多很多的一個廣告就是這個緊急的公告就是三大融資公司他已經正式的對外宣布4月1號起開始了如果你們就是4月1號我們要調整調整他們可貸的一個額度不會是在以前那麼的寬鬆一台摩托車可以借到30萬一台車子可以借到\n\n01:06.715 --> 01:06.815\n議員會主席\n\n01:57.727 --> 02:15.452\n法務委員其實我不能替他們回答他到底是行銷還是為了要遵循法規但是我們但是看這一張這一個公告裡頭你看不出來嗎他這個陷阱這麼多不是每一個人都像我嗎法務委員其實這也是我們的重點我們希望他\n\n02:16.272 --> 02:17.573\n所以你也看得出來這個是不合理的對不對\n\n02:37.335 --> 03:01.291\n我想我們最近在多位委員的垂尋關心之下其實經濟部跟我們都有同步採取一些措施那我想對他們來講是會強化監理的是我想這個已經有達到了一個成效那針對的就是這三大主任公司這個其實他們背後的股東是誰在這個差別很大在金融圈裡頭他說這個顯然是一國兩制\n\n03:05.654 --> 03:22.153\n在這一個三大的一個那個主任公司裡頭他們背後的股東如果他們的背景是受到我們那個整體的一個銀行還有就是有這個銀行的背景的時候他們的一個\n\n03:23.234 --> 03:23.334\n主席\n\n03:40.307 --> 04:07.297\n其實我個人覺得因為金管會是高度監理那授信這款本來不是金融的專屬業務其實本來也不是說不能做但是在過去這幾年我們其實包括穩定房價各方面我們也透過我們的金融機構間接的對這些主任公司的相關的授信有做一些節制是有在做的\n\n04:07.737 --> 04:12.298\n那我剛也跟您報告去年年初大家談...報告委員其實票卷公司也是他的金主\n\n04:29.364 --> 04:30.865\n中租跨族生意保健中安家\n\n04:45.159 --> 05:11.571\n這個快速的一個崛起成為顧仲立的一個新蟲我們在財訊裡頭都看到了2020他的那個業績才是8000萬到了2022年他在台灣的業績是2億在中國大陸是2.5億所以這個總數超過5億他非常引以得意他告訴我們說他這一個這個是即將崛起的一個\n\n05:12.811 --> 05:13.011\n主席﹗\n\n05:29.707 --> 05:45.721\n有沒有問題?報告委員,我非常尊敬您有這麼深入的分析,不過這個主任跟生醫是不是彼此有互動,那我這個還需要去了解,不過如果委員有什麼指示可以交代我們。\n\n05:46.001 --> 06:11.866\n我再跟您看一些資料這一個是在中國金融的新聞網裡頭他特別講到了金融的服務還要搭售營養品這是什麼情形就是說你借錢你還要保健品那這一個是已經判讀下來了他判讀下來法院他們中國的法院判讀是說這個是不合理的\n\n06:12.446 --> 06:12.586\n委員給您報告．\n\n06:37.276 --> 06:54.952\n被信掏空都不是金管會能夠認定的但是我們上次在財委會有報告過我們會立刻依照銀行的經驗請租賃業定一個內控的強化內控準則然後在第4季由交易所去查他的內控\n\n06:55.572 --> 07:14.193\n我們也會要求他針對大家關心的這些BMPR這些車輛﹖我相信各位你們有積極的作為可是在第4季裡頭我相信這個時間是慢了一點是不是有辦法快因為我相信有很多很多的無知的消費者\n\n07:15.074 --> 07:31.731\n就是1.1D是在被陷害的。好,照委員我們盡量提前,然後會做財報實審。是。遵照您的提示,謝謝。好,謝謝。那後面的問題我們要請那個通傳會副主委、法務部常事、數位部次長。我想針對的……\n\n07:35.799 --> 07:53.105\n針對著金融廣告的一個行銷我在這裡要問那個請教法務部部長就是說他隱匿不合理的一個利息就是我們的主任公司隱匿不合理的一個利息是不是會構成重力罪他大量的在網路上的一個行銷會不會呢?\n\n07:54.625 --> 07:55.026\n我現在講的就是通案\n\n08:10.345 --> 08:11.906\n我再請教我再請教你針對的就是超過16%超過16%要怎麼要回來我們從這一個\n\n08:33.739 --> 08:57.034\n約定的一個例例就是每一年的16%的時候,超過的部分約定是無效的。部長,我們看到了就是民眾戶出去的,要怎麼要回來,這個我們有沒有辦法就是去有保護的機制,就是說來保護這些被詐騙的、被害人呢?有沒有辦法?\n\n08:58.395 --> 09:14.446\n民法上就這個超過固定的利率它有一定的規範當然委員會提到這是一個特別做一個規範我們要重啟規定那如果超過這個法定利率超過16按照這條規定它是無效無效的話它法律上但民法上它就沒有請求權\n\n09:16.187 --> 09:36.093\n所以我在這裡跟各位討論就是說其實在整個整個就是台灣的一個現有的一個社會裡頭普遍的存在了很多很多的一個這樣子的一個主任公司的一個廣告行為如果我們沒有跨部會去整合的話其實這樣的一個狀況就衝刺了我們\n\n09:39.554 --> 09:40.114\n我想是不是請那個我們那個\n\n10:08.880 --> 10:20.631\n我們請翁副主委來回應這個問題好不好有接過這樣的訊息有接過這樣的訊息那你怎麼辦你把他掛了我想通常會這邊就會剛才在我們的報告裡面會對這個訊息都會去做攔阻跟警示\n\n10:25.976 --> 10:43.138\n是,可是如果就是有做那個攬組那我們有做很好的一個管制的話就不會像現在今天大家一直在討論的這些問題所以本席在這裡要求我們行過去的P2P的業者管理的一個途徑\n\n10:44.239 --> 11:05.013\n我們希望將主任業者納入管轄,這個要拜託就是我們的主委就是要求修訂的時候我們要更嚴管的去把這個自立的規則把它建立下來。那也希望就是建立管制下架廣告緊急騷擾的電話的管理機制,那請一個月書面回應我。\n\n11:05.433 --> 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