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00:02:13,789\n報告委我是覺得很重要的是一個安全文化的建立安全文化的建立這很重要因為不然的話這些事件一定是層出不詳雖然我們其實我們跟委員幫我們這10年來我們的這個減災是有發生效果因為那個植栽的千人率是有下降從3點多下到現在2點多但是呢這個因為事件還是每年都有發生那所以大家對這個職安\n\n7\n00:02:15,623 --> 00:02:19,985\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n8\n00:02:44,494 --> 00:02:48,916\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n9\n00:03:13,809 --> 00:03:37,225\n讓它的行為能夠落實這個也是很重要部長我想請教就是說我在最近這幾天也碰到很多因為天氣熱了所以很多裝冷氣供可能水電行自己本身在裝那個冷氣那就從可能3、4樓掉下來人就掛掉了那像這樣子的可能就是\n\n10\n00:03:38,345 --> 00:03:53,571\n電氣行他自己本身去裝去裝這個冷氣的話那你們有什麼樣的指引或者是說一定要求他們一定要有一些什麼吊掛的這個安全措施要不然其實我我碰到好幾位都是因為\n\n11\n00:03:54,671 --> 00:04:23,184\n最近天氣熱再裝冷氣就從上面可能就那個以為那個那個呃那個屋頂是安全的結果是破就是踩下去就破了然後就掉下來那像這樣子的話我不知道說如果說針對有一定規模的工廠那當然一定會有一些職安人員嗎那像這樣的一個小型的這個電器行我講的那種小型的那你們怎麼樣去落實作業者啦吼都無一定雇主的這部分\n\n12\n00:04:23,844 --> 00:04:31,591\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n13\n00:04:45,822 --> 00:05:06,697\n委員對不起我還是跟主要報告冷氣業的部份其實這三五年其實各地方講究都非常重視因為他最後不會當到是小型的安裝公司現場安裝一個人兩個人所以我們採取策略是冷氣通路比如說大的冷氣販賣商他發包給下面的承擔去做現場安裝的時候要做現場的安全的\n\n14\n00:05:07,317 --> 00:05:17,559\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n15\n00:05:34,822 --> 00:06:02,329\n就是這樣子就是這個電器行他們自己本身安裝然後就就這樣掉下來我們可以請職業工會來幫忙所以我希望就是說透過職業工會的可能做一些講習或者是他們在開會員大會的時候你們也可以去參與啊好不好好那接下來我想請教部長我們看到最近股市上兩萬點那也看到台灣的這個經濟奇蹟可是很多的勞工會覺得說無感\n\n16\n00:06:04,429 --> 00:06:31,430\n就是說整個臺灣這個股市上兩萬點可是這個聽到是說薪資也沒有漲然後萬物齊漲我想請教這個部長就是說在央行有一個報告分析有指出說臺灣累積的經濟成長率是高於南韓高於美國高於日本那這個公使實質的薪資累積成長率也高於美國跟日本可是我們這個\n\n17\n00:06:33,431 --> 00:06:54,816\n是低於高於美國跟日本可是是低於這個韓國那我們看到就是說台灣的勞動份額下降就是受僱人員的這個報酬佔GDP的比重是下降所以民眾沒辦法感受到這個經濟成長的果實那我想請教就是說會有這樣子的一個狀況就我們想\n\n18\n00:06:57,597 --> 00:07:11,866\n請勞動部這邊是針對既然我們的這個整個經濟成長那我相信很多企業他可能把這個成長的果實分給他的股東那是不是也要請勞動部也要把這個成長的果實\n\n19\n00:07:12,987 --> 00:07:38,466\n分給所有的員工讓他們一起共享經濟成長的果實我想請教部長我們看到臺灣的基本工資時薪累積條幅有59%以上當然很多人會覺得說小英總統上來之後每一年幾乎都有調基本薪資還是覺得追不上\n\n20\n00:07:40,427 --> 00:08:01,303\n其他的這個通膨我想請教就是說部長像這樣的一個狀況我們希望台灣的這個經濟成長的果實是跟所有的這個員工一起共享的那你們怎麼樣讓讓這個員工的這個薪資是實質上也可以得到一個這個加薪\n\n21\n00:08:02,706 --> 00:08:17,348\n報告委員其實我們也就是一再的跟這些企業組、事業單位在呼籲經濟果實要跟勞工來共享因為企業能夠賺錢能夠永續其實都是勞工的努力是不可以忽視的\n\n22\n00:08:18,809 --> 00:08:32,095\n當然我們這幾年其實透過基本工資的調升來也基本工資其實照顧最邊際低層弱勢的勞工但是也由政府的一個調整基本工資能夠讓企業也能夠來學習我們這邊帶動的效果不過因為這幾年我們其實在調服方面\n\n23\n00:08:41,419 --> 00:08:57,793\n臺灣是這樣的,我們是比較穩健,包括消費者物價指數,其實我們都是會斟酌南韓沒有錯,南韓看起來他是比我們調得高,但是他其實我記得我剛上任那一年他們調得非常非常高,可是也因為這樣經濟受影響\n\n24\n00:08:59,694 --> 00:09:14,014\n所以臺灣我們在基本工資在調整我們都會兼顧CPI這個是一定我們要考量的但是GDP特別是這幾年前幾年因為疫情其實你也知道疫情當中有些產業他是\n\n25\n00:09:15,696 --> 00:09:30,047\n經濟是它的製造是沒有受影響但是有些我們有些內需產業是很慘的那很多我們的這些弱勢勞工他其實大部分都是在服務業比較多那也說你也必須兼顧這些產業啦所以我們的調整都是\n\n26\n00:09:30,627 --> 00:09:34,092\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n27\n00:09:46,267 --> 00:10:11,100\n這些企業主能夠善待員工、利潤能夠分享、經濟果實能夠分享那我們當然就是說每個勞工都是家庭的重要支柱就我剛剛講的這個有關公安或者是現在我們也希望說國家的這個經濟成長也能夠讓所有的勞工可以分享到這個經濟成長的果實而不是讓勞工覺得說是無感\n\n28\n00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:22,063\n另外最後我想請教部長因為我最近聽到很多的餐飲業很多都收起來因為他們請不到廚師我不知道說勞動部應該也會聽到這樣的一個狀況\n\n29\n00:10:31,118 --> 00:10:55,403\n那怎麼樣去讓我們這個餐飲業能夠這個正常的營運下去因為我昨天6日的時候我在餐廳在跑行程的時候我就聽到了兩家餐廳他說他根本找不到廚師啦那我覺得說勞動部針對這一部分一方面應該也要讓可能是不是要從\n\n30\n00:10:57,483 --> 00:11:19,694\n教育或者是讓一些想有心想要從事這個餐飲業的人也可以進入到這樣的一個職場那我不知道說部長你有沒有聽到這樣的一個聲音報告委員其實像這些從事餐飲尤其廚師他都要有證照對其實我們勞動部針對這個部分我們都有這個訓練有職業訓練各職業公務也都有開班是我們都其實都有委辦所以其實\n\n31\n00:11:26,798 --> 00:11:46,133\n第一個從人才端這裡如果這些有人願意他從事這個餐飲的廚師的工作其實他可以進到訓練班來然後取得證照他就可以去工作但是現在因為可能現在因為餐飲真的缺工是很嚴重非常嚴重非常嚴重所以可能\n\n32\n00:11:46,994 --> 00:12:08,596\n有一些磁吸效應,如果比較大的參與集團他可能薪資好、福利好、勞動環境各方面那怎麼樣去解決?現在是碰到這個問題要怎麼解決?我們醫後改善缺工有針對把這些納進來像若有個案,其實委員也可以給我們我會請我們的各地的分署\n\n33\n00:12:09,376 --> 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21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n就是這樣子就是這個電器行他們自己本身安裝然後就就這樣掉下來我們可以請職業工會來幫忙所以我希望就是說透過職業工會的可能做一些講習或者是他們在開會員大會的時候你們也可以去參與啊好不好好那接下來我想請教部長我們看到最近股市上兩萬點那也看到台灣的這個經濟奇蹟可是很多的勞工會覺得說無感\n就是說整個臺灣這個股市上兩萬點可是這個聽到是說薪資也沒有漲然後萬物齊漲我想請教這個部長就是說在央行有一個報告分析有指出說臺灣累積的經濟成長率是高於南韓高於美國高於日本那這個公使實質的薪資累積成長率也高於美國跟日本可是我們這個\n是低於高於美國跟日本可是是低於這個韓國那我們看到就是說台灣的勞動份額下降就是受僱人員的這個報酬佔GDP的比重是下降所以民眾沒辦法感受到這個經濟成長的果實那我想請教就是說會有這樣子的一個狀況就我們想\n請勞動部這邊是針對既然我們的這個整個經濟成長那我相信很多企業他可能把這個成長的果實分給他的股東那是不是也要請勞動部也要把這個成長的果實\n分給所有的員工讓他們一起共享經濟成長的果實我想請教部長我們看到臺灣的基本工資時薪累積條幅有59%以上當然很多人會覺得說小英總統上來之後每一年幾乎都有調基本薪資還是覺得追不上\n其他的這個通膨我想請教就是說部長像這樣的一個狀況我們希望台灣的這個經濟成長的果實是跟所有的這個員工一起共享的那你們怎麼樣讓讓這個員工的這個薪資是實質上也可以得到一個這個加薪\n報告委員其實我們也就是一再的跟這些企業組、事業單位在呼籲經濟果實要跟勞工來共享因為企業能夠賺錢能夠永續其實都是勞工的努力是不可以忽視的\n當然我們這幾年其實透過基本工資的調升來也基本工資其實照顧最邊際低層弱勢的勞工但是也由政府的一個調整基本工資能夠讓企業也能夠來學習我們這邊帶動的效果不過因為這幾年我們其實在調服方面\n臺灣是這樣的,我們是比較穩健,包括消費者物價指數,其實我們都是會斟酌南韓沒有錯,南韓看起來他是比我們調得高,但是他其實我記得我剛上任那一年他們調得非常非常高,可是也因為這樣經濟受影響\n所以臺灣我們在基本工資在調整我們都會兼顧CPI這個是一定我們要考量的但是GDP特別是這幾年前幾年因為疫情其實你也知道疫情當中有些產業他是\n經濟是它的製造是沒有受影響但是有些我們有些內需產業是很慘的那很多我們的這些弱勢勞工他其實大部分都是在服務業比較多那也說你也必須兼顧這些產業啦所以我們的調整都是\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n這些企業主能夠善待員工、利潤能夠分享、經濟果實能夠分享那我們當然就是說每個勞工都是家庭的重要支柱就我剛剛講的這個有關公安或者是現在我們也希望說國家的這個經濟成長也能夠讓所有的勞工可以分享到這個經濟成長的果實而不是讓勞工覺得說是無感\n另外最後我想請教部長因為我最近聽到很多的餐飲業很多都收起來因為他們請不到廚師我不知道說勞動部應該也會聽到這樣的一個狀況\n那怎麼樣去讓我們這個餐飲業能夠這個正常的營運下去因為我昨天6日的時候我在餐廳在跑行程的時候我就聽到了兩家餐廳他說他根本找不到廚師啦那我覺得說勞動部針對這一部分一方面應該也要讓可能是不是要從\n教育或者是讓一些想有心想要從事這個餐飲業的人也可以進入到這樣的一個職場那我不知道說部長你有沒有聽到這樣的一個聲音報告委員其實像這些從事餐飲尤其廚師他都要有證照對其實我們勞動部針對這個部分我們都有這個訓練有職業訓練各職業公務也都有開班是我們都其實都有委辦所以其實\n第一個從人才端這裡如果這些有人願意他從事這個餐飲的廚師的工作其實他可以進到訓練班來然後取得證照他就可以去工作但是現在因為可能現在因為餐飲真的缺工是很嚴重非常嚴重非常嚴重所以可能\n有一些磁吸效應,如果比較大的參與集團他可能薪資好、福利好、勞動環境各方面那怎麼樣去解決?現在是碰到這個問題要怎麼解決?我們醫後改善缺工有針對把這些納進來像若有個案,其實委員也可以給我們我會請我們的各地的分署\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11案及討論\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.314 --> 00:05.275\n謝謝主席,我們請部長\n\n00:12.288 --> 00:39.550\n黃委員好部長好部長我就剛剛委員幾位委員在關心我們的公安事件我一開始想要問就是說其實在我們職安署成立到現在從2014年到現在也10年了那我們看到整個公安事件我是看到是沒有減反而生那當然很多委員都非常的關心那我想請教就是說未來我們職安署針對這個\n\n00:41.591 --> 01:01.571\n公安要怎麼去落實我一直覺得說你們訂了很多的法規或者是說訂了很多指引那到底到現場誰要去落實或者是說你們監督誰要去監督這樣的一個事情去把整個安全去把它落實那另外就是說有關這個粉塵爆炸的這個問題因為\n\n01:03.793 --> 01:29.258\n相對如果這個工廠裡面有一定的一定規模的員工那如果他是製作這個有關可能會有一些粉塵的這個應該會有職業安全人員嘛對不對對好那有這樣的一個職業安全的人員那為什麼還是會有這麼多的譬如說民養民養他應該本身也有這樣子一個職安人員在裡面嘛那像這樣的話到底他是沒有落實\n\n01:30.758 --> 01:45.151\n或者是說很多事情只是書面作業然後敷衍了事物我不知道這個勞動部針對這部分未來你們在這個職安未來的10年你們要怎麼讓這個職安的這個公安事件下降\n\n01:45.911 --> 02:13.789\n報告委我是覺得很重要的是一個安全文化的建立安全文化的建立這很重要因為不然的話這些事件一定是層出不詳雖然我們其實我們跟委員幫我們這10年來我們的這個減災是有發生效果因為那個植栽的千人率是有下降從3點多下到現在2點多但是呢這個因為事件還是每年都有發生那所以大家對這個職安\n\n02:15.623 --> 02:19.985\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n02:44.494 --> 02:48.916\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n03:13.809 --> 03:37.225\n讓它的行為能夠落實這個也是很重要部長我想請教就是說我在最近這幾天也碰到很多因為天氣熱了所以很多裝冷氣供可能水電行自己本身在裝那個冷氣那就從可能3、4樓掉下來人就掛掉了那像這樣子的可能就是\n\n03:38.345 --> 03:53.571\n電氣行他自己本身去裝去裝這個冷氣的話那你們有什麼樣的指引或者是說一定要求他們一定要有一些什麼吊掛的這個安全措施要不然其實我我碰到好幾位都是因為\n\n03:54.671 --> 04:23.184\n最近天氣熱再裝冷氣就從上面可能就那個以為那個那個呃那個屋頂是安全的結果是破就是踩下去就破了然後就掉下來那像這樣子的話我不知道說如果說針對有一定規模的工廠那當然一定會有一些職安人員嗎那像這樣的一個小型的這個電器行我講的那種小型的那你們怎麼樣去落實作業者啦吼都無一定雇主的這部分\n\n04:23.844 --> 04:31.591\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n04:45.822 --> 05:06.697\n委員對不起我還是跟主要報告冷氣業的部份其實這三五年其實各地方講究都非常重視因為他最後不會當到是小型的安裝公司現場安裝一個人兩個人所以我們採取策略是冷氣通路比如說大的冷氣販賣商他發包給下面的承擔去做現場安裝的時候要做現場的安全的\n\n05:07.317 --> 05:17.559\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n05:34.822 --> 06:02.329\n就是這樣子就是這個電器行他們自己本身安裝然後就就這樣掉下來我們可以請職業工會來幫忙所以我希望就是說透過職業工會的可能做一些講習或者是他們在開會員大會的時候你們也可以去參與啊好不好好那接下來我想請教部長我們看到最近股市上兩萬點那也看到台灣的這個經濟奇蹟可是很多的勞工會覺得說無感\n\n06:04.429 --> 06:31.430\n就是說整個臺灣這個股市上兩萬點可是這個聽到是說薪資也沒有漲然後萬物齊漲我想請教這個部長就是說在央行有一個報告分析有指出說臺灣累積的經濟成長率是高於南韓高於美國高於日本那這個公使實質的薪資累積成長率也高於美國跟日本可是我們這個\n\n06:33.431 --> 06:54.816\n是低於高於美國跟日本可是是低於這個韓國那我們看到就是說台灣的勞動份額下降就是受僱人員的這個報酬佔GDP的比重是下降所以民眾沒辦法感受到這個經濟成長的果實那我想請教就是說會有這樣子的一個狀況就我們想\n\n06:57.597 --> 07:11.866\n請勞動部這邊是針對既然我們的這個整個經濟成長那我相信很多企業他可能把這個成長的果實分給他的股東那是不是也要請勞動部也要把這個成長的果實\n\n07:12.987 --> 07:38.466\n分給所有的員工讓他們一起共享經濟成長的果實我想請教部長我們看到臺灣的基本工資時薪累積條幅有59%以上當然很多人會覺得說小英總統上來之後每一年幾乎都有調基本薪資還是覺得追不上\n\n07:40.427 --> 08:01.303\n其他的這個通膨我想請教就是說部長像這樣的一個狀況我們希望台灣的這個經濟成長的果實是跟所有的這個員工一起共享的那你們怎麼樣讓讓這個員工的這個薪資是實質上也可以得到一個這個加薪\n\n08:02.706 --> 08:17.348\n報告委員其實我們也就是一再的跟這些企業組、事業單位在呼籲經濟果實要跟勞工來共享因為企業能夠賺錢能夠永續其實都是勞工的努力是不可以忽視的\n\n08:18.809 --> 08:32.095\n當然我們這幾年其實透過基本工資的調升來也基本工資其實照顧最邊際低層弱勢的勞工但是也由政府的一個調整基本工資能夠讓企業也能夠來學習我們這邊帶動的效果不過因為這幾年我們其實在調服方面\n\n08:41.419 --> 08:57.793\n臺灣是這樣的,我們是比較穩健,包括消費者物價指數,其實我們都是會斟酌南韓沒有錯,南韓看起來他是比我們調得高,但是他其實我記得我剛上任那一年他們調得非常非常高,可是也因為這樣經濟受影響\n\n08:59.694 --> 09:14.014\n所以臺灣我們在基本工資在調整我們都會兼顧CPI這個是一定我們要考量的但是GDP特別是這幾年前幾年因為疫情其實你也知道疫情當中有些產業他是\n\n09:15.696 --> 09:30.047\n經濟是它的製造是沒有受影響但是有些我們有些內需產業是很慘的那很多我們的這些弱勢勞工他其實大部分都是在服務業比較多那也說你也必須兼顧這些產業啦所以我們的調整都是\n\n09:30.627 --> 09:34.092\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n09:46.267 --> 10:11.100\n這些企業主能夠善待員工、利潤能夠分享、經濟果實能夠分享那我們當然就是說每個勞工都是家庭的重要支柱就我剛剛講的這個有關公安或者是現在我們也希望說國家的這個經濟成長也能夠讓所有的勞工可以分享到這個經濟成長的果實而不是讓勞工覺得說是無感\n\n10:11.800 --> 10:22.063\n另外最後我想請教部長因為我最近聽到很多的餐飲業很多都收起來因為他們請不到廚師我不知道說勞動部應該也會聽到這樣的一個狀況\n\n10:31.118 --> 10:55.403\n那怎麼樣去讓我們這個餐飲業能夠這個正常的營運下去因為我昨天6日的時候我在餐廳在跑行程的時候我就聽到了兩家餐廳他說他根本找不到廚師啦那我覺得說勞動部針對這一部分一方面應該也要讓可能是不是要從\n\n10:57.483 --> 11:19.694\n教育或者是讓一些想有心想要從事這個餐飲業的人也可以進入到這樣的一個職場那我不知道說部長你有沒有聽到這樣的一個聲音報告委員其實像這些從事餐飲尤其廚師他都要有證照對其實我們勞動部針對這個部分我們都有這個訓練有職業訓練各職業公務也都有開班是我們都其實都有委辦所以其實\n\n11:26.798 --> 11:46.133\n第一個從人才端這裡如果這些有人願意他從事這個餐飲的廚師的工作其實他可以進到訓練班來然後取得證照他就可以去工作但是現在因為可能現在因為餐飲真的缺工是很嚴重非常嚴重非常嚴重所以可能\n\n11:46.994 --> 12:08.596\n有一些磁吸效應,如果比較大的參與集團他可能薪資好、福利好、勞動環境各方面那怎麼樣去解決?現在是碰到這個問題要怎麼解決?我們醫後改善缺工有針對把這些納進來像若有個案,其實委員也可以給我們我會請我們的各地的分署\n\n12:09.376 --> 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