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00:01:26,929\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n6\n00:01:43,678 --> 00:01:50,284\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n7\n00:02:08,158 --> 00:02:13,722\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算\n\n8\n00:02:35,652 --> 00:02:43,586\n所以在這樣的情況之下你認為是你的將近500億的預算不足還是你的政府失能請說明\n\n9\n00:02:47,213 --> 00:02:49,034\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n10\n00:03:06,804 --> 00:03:22,817\n提到行政院來繼續討論代表著它是一個嚴肅的議題所以回歸本題的提問到底這將近500億的預算你認為不夠還是因為我們政府的政策有誤施難請做說明\n\n11\n00:03:24,036 --> 00:03:25,898\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n12\n00:03:45,094 --> 00:03:45,754\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n13\n00:03:59,059 --> 00:04:01,581\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n14\n00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,923\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n15\n00:04:49,502 --> 00:05:12,407\n中央政府跟地方政府怎麼樣去從事前事後還有事中跟訪視等等的一些情況都有做了一些從頭到尾的一些盤點包括這個小孩子怎麼樣出養他的條件還有選擇這家保姆等等的一些情況那怎麼樣再做聯合的去訪視等等的情況那都有做了一些重新的一些規劃跟調整規劃什麼?調整什麼?\n\n16\n00:05:17,868 --> 00:05:26,355\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n17\n00:05:47,691 --> 00:06:00,436\n的一個具體流程你要怎麼做避免憾事再發生請你把詳細的資料給本席好不好好不好多久時間給本席一個月可以嗎不可以發生了那麼久討論了那麼多還要一個月那就兩週兩個禮拜那不是那就你要負責任的去統合將近500億的預算\n\n18\n00:06:18,115 --> 00:06:44,050\n發生這樣的憾事我們要怎麼樣去改變之憾事不能再發生這是本席跟你討論的不要答非所問也不要答不出來這是本席不希望看到的再來本席請教你3月22號電價漲幅拍板定案了怎麼解決我們的問題有史以來我們的薪資7年來減幅最大1點多%\n\n19\n00:06:47,052 --> 00:06:59,243\n物價通膨、漲幅最大上一次本席問自來水公司因為電價漲你預估會漲多少錢他說10億我問了經濟部長你要不要給他10億他不回答本席部長告訴我們有那個麵包店不用烘焙的麵包會自己掉下來嗎\n\n20\n00:07:11,889 --> 00:07:15,970\n告訴我們說漲幅不大請問影響程度多少萬戶請教主委你是國發會的主委你是心臟欸一千多戶告訴我們影響不大一戶大概有不會影響那麼大甚至只有漲20塊兩顆茶葉蛋甚至麵包店不到700度\n\n21\n00:07:41,186 --> 00:07:44,569\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算\n\n22\n00:08:01,564 --> 00:08:07,631\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算\n\n23\n00:08:20,379 --> 00:08:35,992\n提帕斯是不會漲是固定的如果你用提帕斯的話就是是不會漲所以業者要自己去承擔嘛換句話說我們的產業我們的店家要自己去承擔嘛對不對那我們怎麼辦我們已經這麼苦了通盟這麼嚴重那民生怎麼辦\n\n24\n00:08:43,171 --> 00:08:53,857\n我告訴你本期告訴你我說經濟部不要只有做圖卡去粉飾太平找出研究方案所以同樣的您告訴我說會會漲電價漲物價會漲所以我拜託你不要做公關公司的行銷國發會而是要做顧民生的國發會好不好你把這些通膨之後漲價會影響民生\n\n25\n00:09:12,888 --> 00:09:20,174\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及審查113年度中央政府總預算有關\n\n26\n00:09:43,162 --> 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