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ID只能公告提醒，也沒辦法移除下架，甚至抖音，抖音現在沒有落地，但是出現在抖音上面的詐騙類型，現在有超過50%也都是屬於這一種假投資詐騙，那抖音你們怎麼去處理呢？"],["李次長懷仁：抖音的部分，我們跟他們碰過面，我們也正在要求他們配合，包括警方或者是包括選舉的部分……"],["李委員坤城：那有辦法嗎？"],["李次長懷仁：正在討論。"],["李委員坤城：不是啦，因為他們沒有落地，你們是透過什麼樣的方法去跟……"],["李次長懷仁：我們就直接跟他們公司談，就像Twitter也沒有落地，但是他們也會配合。"],["李委員坤城：他們公司在哪裡？"],["李次長懷仁：你是問TikTok嗎？"],["李委員坤城：對，TikTok。"],["李次長懷仁：TikTok在新加坡。"],["李委員坤城：在新加坡，所以你們是跟新加坡的公司來處理這件事情就是了？"],["李次長懷仁：對，我們直接跟TikTok……"],["李委員坤城：因為沒有落地，我不知道最後抖音（TikTok）能不能進來，這是另外一回事，這個……"],["李次長懷仁：這個都不是我們能夠判……"],["李委員坤城：對，這個涉及到國安，甚至現在講到詐騙的問題，LINE也是，然後TikTok也是，這個東西你們要去處理，現在看起來就只有Google最聽話，其他的都沒有，但是遇到這種一頁式的廣告詐騙的話，我認為處理的速度太慢了啦！"],["李次長懷仁：我們再加強。"],["李委員坤城：因為他是名人，大家處理的速度很快，那一般老百姓呢？"],["李次長懷仁：是，委員，我們再加強。"],["李委員坤城：好。謝謝。"],["李次長懷仁：謝謝。"],["主席：下一位請王世堅王委員質詢。王委員質詢完畢就休息5分鐘。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":298,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-20-5","speakers":["羅明才","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","郭國文","賴惠員","王鴻薇","黃珊珊","李坤城","王世堅","顏寬恒","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","李彥秀","謝衣鳯","黃國昌","鍾佳濱","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:44,989\n主計長那對於這個楊總裁這個升席辦碼的決定您支持嗎?我尊重他的因為我們終究是一個團隊謝謝那就是支持的意思就對了是的那就是支持那這個齁那支持的理由在哪裡可不可以請主計長跟我們說明一下\n\n6\n00:01:45,669 --> 00:02:00,166\n因為央行總裁講得很清楚他是擔心那個預期心理而且是怎麼樣目前的因為那個水果類的漲幅以及尤其那個所謂的那個\n\n7\n00:02:03,609 --> 00:02:07,410\n主計總署對於CPI年增率的預測是1.64\n\n8\n00:02:31,696 --> 00:02:53,925\n然後呢央行是1.89但是到了今年的2月底央行呢他就是這個對於CPI的年增率呢就調升了調升到這個2.16他就是有把增加了這個0.27呢就是把這個4月份電價會調漲的預期性的這個心理這個通膨的這個期待把它加進去了那這個本席想請教一下主計長\n\n9\n00:02:54,645 --> 00:03:13,119\n就是說在2月底的時候你對於這個今年的CPI年增率呢還是在這個1.85左右然後現在已經預計已經確定要升息半碼了那請問一下這個主計長你這個對於這個今年的CPI你會不會也跟著做調整\n\n10\n00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:25,678\n對,因為我們2月29日主計總書宗那個宣布的時候還沒有那個定價的政策,因為我們不會對未知的事情去表示意見,如果現在定價已經去...但是央行會呢?央行他說他已經把4月份的這個考慮進去了,然後所以主計...\n\n11\n00:03:29,623 --> 00:03:46,697\n主席總統現在已經確定了4月份會調整電價我們的央行是估計據我知道是2.16我們估計是2.03因為還有一個最重要的原因4月1號開始所以全年的CPI對他的影響大概是9個月而已\n\n12\n00:03:47,678 --> 00:04:14,096\n所以這個主計總處也會上修這個CPI成長率就對了我那個要到五月份才會上修因為我們要經過委員會通過的那我們內部的做的大概是2.03左右2.03左右就是扣掉前面四個月就對了對對對那那個央行沒有因為我們原來沒有做電價包括在裡面那現在又把電價加進去了CPI增率也會再提升就對了對對對\n\n13\n00:04:15,197 --> 00:04:23,843\n不過楊總裁把經濟成長率也上修了,上修到3.22%我們主計總處預計今年的成長率是3.43%不過因應電價調漲,經濟成長率還有可能維持在3.43%嗎?\n\n14\n00:04:32,889 --> 00:04:45,937\n對,跟那個委員報告一下,事實上電價調整根據我們的模型,經濟的模型大概對GDP大概是影響0.1個百分點而已所以認為對經濟成長不會有太大的影響對\n\n15\n00:04:51,445 --> 00:04:51,465\n對,對。好。\n\n16\n00:05:19,927 --> 00:05:33,942\n那這個本期在就教主計長6月份還要再開一次這個央行的這個禮監事會議那不曉得這個主計長你認為說會不會6月份在開會的時候又再讓我們surprise一次又再升習辦碼\n\n17\n00:05:35,283 --> 00:05:54,644\n對那個要不要申詢在央行的時候都是經過理事投票我知道那您的預測勒我不敢預測我尊重央行因為我們監事會員則上政策不會過分的表示意見所以你也是指開會\n\n18\n00:05:55,985 --> 00:06:04,448\n那我現在看物價有一點蠢蠢欲動的心理啦跟委員報告一下事實上最近3年來我們的物價是在往下的一個趨勢謝謝\n\n19\n00:06:21,613 --> 00:06:44,036\n對阿,因為我上次問主計長,主計長認為說百分之二的通膨是溫和的是溫和的那所以說那是不曉得說因為這個可能央行的想法跟主計長的想法比較不一樣我們兩個原則上是一樣的我們剛才講我們CPI的預估只差0.1個百分點那所以這個\n\n20\n00:06:45,557 --> 00:06:58,784\n現在物價有蠢蠢欲動的感覺啦所以本期才請教主計長說是不是有可能在6月的時候會再讓我們surprise一次我6月應該不會站在這裡了所以我不會站在這裡了\n\n21\n00:07:01,505 --> 00:07:03,606\n所以您也不敢預測就是說6月份\n\n22\n00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:31,004\n會發生什麼樣的情況?會不會有失敗?我不曉得。不曉得。對對。好,謝謝主計長。謝謝委員。我們請這一個黃主委。請黃主委。委員長。主委好。這個齁,這個謝靖和在他的臉書上面寫說這是一個什麼樣的荒謬的世界。不曉得這個主委有沒有看到謝靖和這篇臉書?\n\n23\n00:07:52,204 --> 00:08:13,599\n他最主要是講說有人用他的名字來詐騙然後詐騙他就立即通知這個臉書然後他就跟臉書檢舉說有人用他的名字來詐騙但是臉書回覆他說這個廣告沒有違反廣告刊登守則的公平公正公開原則所以他的檢舉臉書就不受理所以他說這是一個荒謬的世界\n\n24\n00:08:14,620 --> 00:08:35,794\n然後呢這個很多這個他的這個詐騙的廣告一夜市的詐騙廣告呢那比如說吼現在很多這個詐騙的廣告吼以謝記惠為例吼他說這個吼他絕對不會叫粉絲匯款吼然後呢最近詐騙多到這個看不下去所以他重新啟用一個新的臉書帳號就等於說詐騙集團呢他是用這個反詐騙的警語吼然後企圖躲過這個我們關鍵字的搜尋用反詐騙的名義呢啊來行騙\n\n25\n00:08:45,082 --> 00:08:45,723\n現在一夜市的廣告的詐騙是由哪個機關來阻擇?\n\n26\n00:08:54,571 --> 00:09:17,568\n有關平台上的部分實名制下架我們來處理,但一夜市……對不起,蘇委員。對,一夜市的這個詐騙廣告現在是蘇發部來主責就對了。跟委員報告,這個詐騙廣告看內容,但是只要相關部會提供我們,我們就會請他下架。現在問題就發生在說,實名制Google已經有做到了對不對?那臉書Meta還沒有?對。\n\n27\n00:09:19,165 --> 00:09:40,814\n為什麼他要到6月份?他們系統跟著英國一起,他們全球政策,大概6月。全球政策?這個是我們要求他跟全球政策有什麼關係?因為他們整個系統都要改,包括他們在其他國家也面臨這個問題。那這個所以我們要等到6月份,你看嘛,謝金河他說他去跟Meta來檢舉,但結果Meta說這個沒有違反這個廣告原則,明明就是詐騙式的廣告勒。\n\n28\n00:09:43,390 --> 00:09:59,984\n就沒有辦法處理?那是因為他是謝金河今天如果說其他人的話有辦法這樣處理嗎?這分兩段一段是前面的臉書另外一段是一夜市廣告一夜市廣告如果是詐騙廣告我們透過RPTT就直接封住了\n\n29\n00:10:01,072 --> 00:10:25,042\n除了這個Meta除了Google之外現在Line也是啊好像很多就是這種ES的廣告就是說我點進去之後然後要我加入某一個Line的群組或是說去申請某個App那現在我的問題在於說你們有Google有Meta要求實名制那Line咧?詐騙的Line它只能公告提醒也沒辦法移除下架\n\n30\n00:10:25,862 --> 00:10:53,521\n那甚至呢抖音,抖音現在沒有落地啊但是在抖音上面現在有超過50也都是屬於這種假投資的詐騙那抖音你們怎麼去處理勒?抖音的部分我們正在跟他我們跟他碰過面我們也正在要求他們配合這個包括警方或者是包括選舉的部分有辦法嗎?正在討論不是啊,那他們因為沒有落地嘛你們是怎麼透過什麼樣的方法去跟我們就直接跟他們公司談就像推特也沒有落地但是他們也會配合\n\n31\n00:10:54,221 --> 00:11:23,280\n他們公司在哪裡?你是問TikTok嗎?對TikTokTikTok在新加坡在新加坡所以你們是跟新加坡的公司來處理這件事情就對了我們直接跟TikTok因為沒有落地嘛因為我不知道說最後抖音和TikTok能不能進來這是另外一回事這個就不是我們能夠判決對這是涉及到國安那甚至說現在講這個詐騙的問題就是說LINE也是然後那個TikTok也是那這個東西呢你們要去處理現在看起來Google他是最聽話其他都沒有啊\n\n32\n00:11:23,860 --> 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謝靖和在他的臉書上面寫說這是一個什麼樣的荒謬的世界。不曉得這個主委有沒有看到謝靖和這篇臉書?\n他最主要是講說有人用他的名字來詐騙然後詐騙他就立即通知這個臉書然後他就跟臉書檢舉說有人用他的名字來詐騙但是臉書回覆他說這個廣告沒有違反廣告刊登守則的公平公正公開原則所以他的檢舉臉書就不受理所以他說這是一個荒謬的世界\n然後呢這個很多這個他的這個詐騙的廣告一夜市的詐騙廣告呢那比如說吼現在很多這個詐騙的廣告吼以謝記惠為例吼他說這個吼他絕對不會叫粉絲匯款吼然後呢最近詐騙多到這個看不下去所以他重新啟用一個新的臉書帳號就等於說詐騙集團呢他是用這個反詐騙的警語吼然後企圖躲過這個我們關鍵字的搜尋用反詐騙的名義呢啊來行騙\n現在一夜市的廣告的詐騙是由哪個機關來阻擇?\n有關平台上的部分實名制下架我們來處理,但一夜市……對不起,蘇委員。對,一夜市的這個詐騙廣告現在是蘇發部來主責就對了。跟委員報告,這個詐騙廣告看內容,但是只要相關部會提供我們,我們就會請他下架。現在問題就發生在說,實名制Google已經有做到了對不對?那臉書Meta還沒有?對。\n為什麼他要到6月份?他們系統跟著英國一起,他們全球政策,大概6月。全球政策?這個是我們要求他跟全球政策有什麼關係?因為他們整個系統都要改,包括他們在其他國家也面臨這個問題。那這個所以我們要等到6月份,你看嘛,謝金河他說他去跟Meta來檢舉,但結果Meta說這個沒有違反這個廣告原則,明明就是詐騙式的廣告勒。\n就沒有辦法處理?那是因為他是謝金河今天如果說其他人的話有辦法這樣處理嗎?這分兩段一段是前面的臉書另外一段是一夜市廣告一夜市廣告如果是詐騙廣告我們透過RPTT就直接封住了\n除了這個Meta除了Google之外現在Line也是啊好像很多就是這種ES的廣告就是說我點進去之後然後要我加入某一個Line的群組或是說去申請某個App那現在我的問題在於說你們有Google有Meta要求實名制那Line咧?詐騙的Line它只能公告提醒也沒辦法移除下架\n那甚至呢抖音,抖音現在沒有落地啊但是在抖音上面現在有超過50也都是屬於這種假投資的詐騙那抖音你們怎麼去處理勒?抖音的部分我們正在跟他我們跟他碰過面我們也正在要求他們配合這個包括警方或者是包括選舉的部分有辦法嗎?正在討論不是啊,那他們因為沒有落地嘛你們是怎麼透過什麼樣的方法去跟我們就直接跟他們公司談就像推特也沒有落地但是他們也會配合\n他們公司在哪裡?你是問TikTok嗎?對TikTokTikTok在新加坡在新加坡所以你們是跟新加坡的公司來處理這件事情就對了我們直接跟TikTok因為沒有落地嘛因為我不知道說最後抖音和TikTok能不能進來這是另外一回事這個就不是我們能夠判決對這是涉及到國安那甚至說現在講這個詐騙的問題就是說LINE也是然後那個TikTok也是那這個東西呢你們要去處理現在看起來Google他是最聽話其他都沒有啊\n接下來質詢請王世堅\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:02.415\n朱主計長請朱主計長\n\n00:08.820 --> 00:33.897\n主席長好這個3月21號的這個央行的禮監事會議這個本來金融業者還有媒體預期可能不會在這一次的禮監事會議就升席了那媒體是大家是預估有可能在6月才會決定說下半年這個會不會升席那結果沒想到這個在3月21號的這個央行的禮監事會議這個就決定要升席半碼\n\n00:34.858 --> 01:00.580\n然後這個我們總裁說這是一個Supply那雖然是Supply呢不過是一個合理的決定因為他認為說這個是會要抑制這個國內通膨的預期心理算是一種呢預防性的升息那主計長呢也是央行的這個監事會的主席3月21日的李監事會議呢這個主計長也有出席那想請教一下這個我們的主計長主計長也決定升息辦碼嗎?\n\n01:02.682 --> 01:02.962\n本席請教這個\n\n01:28.135 --> 01:44.989\n主計長那對於這個楊總裁這個升席辦碼的決定您支持嗎?我尊重他的因為我們終究是一個團隊謝謝那就是支持的意思就對了是的那就是支持那這個齁那支持的理由在哪裡可不可以請主計長跟我們說明一下\n\n01:45.669 --> 02:00.166\n因為央行總裁講得很清楚他是擔心那個預期心理而且是怎麼樣目前的因為那個水果類的漲幅以及尤其那個所謂的那個\n\n02:03.609 --> 02:07.410\n主計總署對於CPI年增率的預測是1.64\n\n02:31.696 --> 02:53.925\n然後呢央行是1.89但是到了今年的2月底央行呢他就是這個對於CPI的年增率呢就調升了調升到這個2.16他就是有把增加了這個0.27呢就是把這個4月份電價會調漲的預期性的這個心理這個通膨的這個期待把它加進去了那這個本席想請教一下主計長\n\n02:54.645 --> 03:13.119\n就是說在2月底的時候你對於這個今年的CPI年增率呢還是在這個1.85左右然後現在已經預計已經確定要升息半碼了那請問一下這個主計長你這個對於這個今年的CPI你會不會也跟著做調整\n\n03:13.700 --> 03:25.678\n對,因為我們2月29日主計總書宗那個宣布的時候還沒有那個定價的政策,因為我們不會對未知的事情去表示意見,如果現在定價已經去...但是央行會呢?央行他說他已經把4月份的這個考慮進去了,然後所以主計...\n\n03:29.623 --> 03:46.697\n主席總統現在已經確定了4月份會調整電價我們的央行是估計據我知道是2.16我們估計是2.03因為還有一個最重要的原因4月1號開始所以全年的CPI對他的影響大概是9個月而已\n\n03:47.678 --> 04:14.096\n所以這個主計總處也會上修這個CPI成長率就對了我那個要到五月份才會上修因為我們要經過委員會通過的那我們內部的做的大概是2.03左右2.03左右就是扣掉前面四個月就對了對對對那那個央行沒有因為我們原來沒有做電價包括在裡面那現在又把電價加進去了CPI增率也會再提升就對了對對對\n\n04:15.197 --> 04:23.843\n不過楊總裁把經濟成長率也上修了,上修到3.22%我們主計總處預計今年的成長率是3.43%不過因應電價調漲,經濟成長率還有可能維持在3.43%嗎?\n\n04:32.889 --> 04:45.937\n對,跟那個委員報告一下,事實上電價調整根據我們的模型,經濟的模型大概對GDP大概是影響0.1個百分點而已所以認為對經濟成長不會有太大的影響對\n\n04:51.445 --> 04:51.465\n對,對。好。\n\n05:19.927 --> 05:33.942\n那這個本期在就教主計長6月份還要再開一次這個央行的這個禮監事會議那不曉得這個主計長你認為說會不會6月份在開會的時候又再讓我們surprise一次又再升習辦碼\n\n05:35.283 --> 05:54.644\n對那個要不要申詢在央行的時候都是經過理事投票我知道那您的預測勒我不敢預測我尊重央行因為我們監事會員則上政策不會過分的表示意見所以你也是指開會\n\n05:55.985 --> 06:04.448\n那我現在看物價有一點蠢蠢欲動的心理啦跟委員報告一下事實上最近3年來我們的物價是在往下的一個趨勢謝謝\n\n06:21.613 --> 06:44.036\n對阿,因為我上次問主計長,主計長認為說百分之二的通膨是溫和的是溫和的那所以說那是不曉得說因為這個可能央行的想法跟主計長的想法比較不一樣我們兩個原則上是一樣的我們剛才講我們CPI的預估只差0.1個百分點那所以這個\n\n06:45.557 --> 06:58.784\n現在物價有蠢蠢欲動的感覺啦所以本期才請教主計長說是不是有可能在6月的時候會再讓我們surprise一次我6月應該不會站在這裡了所以我不會站在這裡了\n\n07:01.505 --> 07:03.606\n所以您也不敢預測就是說6月份\n\n07:23.440 --> 07:31.004\n會發生什麼樣的情況?會不會有失敗?我不曉得。不曉得。對對。好,謝謝主計長。謝謝委員。我們請這一個黃主委。請黃主委。委員長。主委好。這個齁,這個謝靖和在他的臉書上面寫說這是一個什麼樣的荒謬的世界。不曉得這個主委有沒有看到謝靖和這篇臉書?\n\n07:52.204 --> 08:13.599\n他最主要是講說有人用他的名字來詐騙然後詐騙他就立即通知這個臉書然後他就跟臉書檢舉說有人用他的名字來詐騙但是臉書回覆他說這個廣告沒有違反廣告刊登守則的公平公正公開原則所以他的檢舉臉書就不受理所以他說這是一個荒謬的世界\n\n08:14.620 --> 08:35.794\n然後呢這個很多這個他的這個詐騙的廣告一夜市的詐騙廣告呢那比如說吼現在很多這個詐騙的廣告吼以謝記惠為例吼他說這個吼他絕對不會叫粉絲匯款吼然後呢最近詐騙多到這個看不下去所以他重新啟用一個新的臉書帳號就等於說詐騙集團呢他是用這個反詐騙的警語吼然後企圖躲過這個我們關鍵字的搜尋用反詐騙的名義呢啊來行騙\n\n08:45.082 --> 08:45.723\n現在一夜市的廣告的詐騙是由哪個機關來阻擇?\n\n08:54.571 --> 09:17.568\n有關平台上的部分實名制下架我們來處理,但一夜市……對不起,蘇委員。對,一夜市的這個詐騙廣告現在是蘇發部來主責就對了。跟委員報告,這個詐騙廣告看內容,但是只要相關部會提供我們,我們就會請他下架。現在問題就發生在說,實名制Google已經有做到了對不對?那臉書Meta還沒有?對。\n\n09:19.165 --> 09:40.814\n為什麼他要到6月份?他們系統跟著英國一起,他們全球政策,大概6月。全球政策?這個是我們要求他跟全球政策有什麼關係?因為他們整個系統都要改,包括他們在其他國家也面臨這個問題。那這個所以我們要等到6月份,你看嘛,謝金河他說他去跟Meta來檢舉,但結果Meta說這個沒有違反這個廣告原則,明明就是詐騙式的廣告勒。\n\n09:43.390 --> 09:59.984\n就沒有辦法處理?那是因為他是謝金河今天如果說其他人的話有辦法這樣處理嗎?這分兩段一段是前面的臉書另外一段是一夜市廣告一夜市廣告如果是詐騙廣告我們透過RPTT就直接封住了\n\n10:01.072 --> 10:25.042\n除了這個Meta除了Google之外現在Line也是啊好像很多就是這種ES的廣告就是說我點進去之後然後要我加入某一個Line的群組或是說去申請某個App那現在我的問題在於說你們有Google有Meta要求實名制那Line咧?詐騙的Line它只能公告提醒也沒辦法移除下架\n\n10:25.862 --> 10:53.521\n那甚至呢抖音,抖音現在沒有落地啊但是在抖音上面現在有超過50也都是屬於這種假投資的詐騙那抖音你們怎麼去處理勒?抖音的部分我們正在跟他我們跟他碰過面我們也正在要求他們配合這個包括警方或者是包括選舉的部分有辦法嗎?正在討論不是啊,那他們因為沒有落地嘛你們是怎麼透過什麼樣的方法去跟我們就直接跟他們公司談就像推特也沒有落地但是他們也會配合\n\n10:54.221 --> 11:23.280\n他們公司在哪裡?你是問TikTok嗎?對TikTokTikTok在新加坡在新加坡所以你們是跟新加坡的公司來處理這件事情就對了我們直接跟TikTok因為沒有落地嘛因為我不知道說最後抖音和TikTok能不能進來這是另外一回事這個就不是我們能夠判決對這是涉及到國安那甚至說現在講這個詐騙的問題就是說LINE也是然後那個TikTok也是那這個東西呢你們要去處理現在看起來Google他是最聽話其他都沒有啊\n\n11:23.860 --> 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