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00:02:43,304\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所\n\n9\n00:02:52,810 --> 00:03:10,859\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n10\n00:03:12,165 --> 00:03:36,110\n我今天要挑戰的是什麼我今天要挑戰的事情是包括過去我們一直在批評的如新這個投資的決策到底是怎麼做的包括之前也有委員關心的東北這兩個案子現在都有刑事訴訟也進入了刑事訴訟程序了第三個我非常關心的就是聯合再審\n\n11\n00:03:37,210 --> 00:03:58,961\n因為在我們2016到2020的時候我上次也跟主委報告過那個時候民進黨自己的立委就在質疑了為什麼要去投資這一家虧損連連根本沒有競爭力的公司什麼時候國發基金竟然變成了紓困基金\n\n12\n00:03:59,981 --> 00:04:09,113\n我為什麼上次跟主委說我反對用國家的資源搞政商關係我今天非常負責任的跟主委報告\n\n13\n00:04:10,267 --> 00:04:39,203\n投了聯合再生了以後結果聯合再生什麼?他朝中有人嗎?什麼事情都可以用簽的嗎?我今天負責任的講今天當政府拿了這麼多錢納稅人的錢投一家公司這一家公司去擔任蔡英文綠能後援會的總會長這件事情從政治上我個人就覺得非常不妥當但我知道這不是你的權責\n\n14\n00:04:40,319 --> 00:05:08,217\n第二個部分誰決定投資的這件事情追問了非常久我上次質詢的時候我也公開的點出來在背後牽線的就是張景生結果公司成立我們注資了以後三合一了以後裡面是一片綠油油連張景生自己的弟弟都跑去當讀懂主委你真的覺得這樣子適合嗎\n\n15\n00:05:11,289 --> 00:05:40,749\n委員因為這個案子我沒有當時我沒有所謂那這個董事長我也不認識那我們正常是用公私治理的方式盡量把它監督好那這是我們國發基金的這個職責那之前您提到的那個就是經濟部有一個案子那個部分我們也希望透過我們希望不要這樣子所以我後來做了一些糾正那這個是我們可以做的主委我知道啦在這背後真正的推手不是你\n\n16\n00:05:41,169 --> 00:05:50,392\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n17\n00:06:06,237 --> 00:06:07,278\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n18\n00:06:18,746 --> 00:06:30,289\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n\n19\n00:06:45,974 --> 00:07:11,233\n我真的忘記了你真的忘記了是好沒有關係我再回復一下你的記憶現在主席站起來了我們下一次繼續今天我讓主委回去複習的功課是農電共生農電共生的這個專案在你擔任政委的期間當中你有沒有主責過農電共生主委聽得懂嗎\n\n20\n00:07:12,938 --> 00:07:37,703\n農電共生的這個專案在您當主委的時候您有沒有經手過因為我知道什麼他們一直在推農電共生嘛連蔡英文要張景生的報告都是洪傳縣長人寫的我的老天啊我們國家的綠聯政策什麼時候變得這麼腐敗啊竟然找業者來幫我們的政委寫關於國家有關於農電共生的政策這樣對嗎\n\n21\n00:07:42,863 --> 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