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00:01:23,240\n客運駕駛員的人數都是非常短缺而且造成很多營運上的問題像我們有這個9089桃園到北市古亭還有9103大溪到新北頂浦5203A盧竹到南崁到北市9005桃園到北市內科都因為這個人力的不足跟營運的不善造成很多的\n\n5\n00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:33,888\n路線停駛甚至要加班加開的路線也沒有辦法去做那請問一下你知不知道現在我們公路客運駕駛員缺額大概有多少根據我們聯合報去做這個數據的顯示我們交通部在111年的時候有招募大概4800人可是\n\n6\n00:01:51,641 --> 00:02:11,216\n只招募到1400多人所以不到三成那臺北市目前也說他們的缺額大概差700人那桃園市目前也缺額200多人而且最近桃園市為了要招募這個解決這個司機荒還特別祭出只要授訓\n\n7\n00:02:12,017 --> 00:02:16,100\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n8\n00:02:35,816 --> 00:02:58,238\n這個司機是屬於專技人員他其實不是屬於低階的藍領他應該是屬於白領那這個全程機關在交通部那他因為也要考證照那所以就是說這個應該是交通部去考量如果他要引進這個白領的司機的專技人員我們也是尊重他只要就是申請工作證因為這個我們也\n\n9\n00:03:00,119 --> 00:03:05,905\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n10\n00:03:23,982 --> 00:03:52,776\n公共財不是非企業盈利的部分那自動化的部分它自動駕駛的部分其實現在也還沒有到成熟的階段那薪資水準的部分就像剛剛部長有講它這個白領移工它的下限是47,971元其實我們客運的平均月的薪資可以到達59,000多所以基本上它也算是高薪而且如果以\n\n11\n00:03:53,436 --> 00:04:12,506\n拼請這個外籍移工來講也不算是虧待他們這個薪水不能比他白領的移工最低下限還高而且重點他缺工的情形非常的嚴重你看我們高興在台灣真的都請不到人在台北市、桃園市甚至我相信各縣市\n\n12\n00:04:14,027 --> 00:04:42,421\n人力缺口真的非常嚴重然後他3K產業他也符合他也是高工時勞累也是長年招募不足所以今天在這邊提出就希望我們勞動部是不是可以針對這一部分來解決我們這個司機荒這個需求的部分我們了解到現在真的是缺司機但是這個整個權責是在交通部我們尊重因為他是屬於白領\n\n13\n00:04:43,522 --> 00:05:04,287\n他不是屬於蘭嶺的移工啦所以他只要符合他的資格那也可以相關證照可以考過我們其實我們只是負責發工作證而已啦所以這個部分我們尊重交通部的我們也會先提出因為我們今天提出就希望能夠勞動部能夠先重視這一部分因為這個指標是勞動部的指標我們經過這些指標這是移工的引進\n\n14\n00:05:11,549 --> 00:05:27,942\n我可能要先說明這是移工的引進跟那個白領專技人員的其實不一樣的我們其實白領是不需要事務的沒關係因為我希望先讓勞動部先重視這部分問題當然交通部的問題我們也會去解決\n\n15\n00:05:28,723 --> 00:05:52,437\n因為現在這個司機荒、人才招募這個問題造成很多地方很多的家長還有很多的上班族像我們現在很多路線搭乘的人很多可是要加班沒有辦法加班然後很多路線莫名的停駛那很多的縣市政府說他真的沒有司機所以沒有辦法去開所以也希望勞動部\n\n16\n00:05:53,337 --> 00:06:18,345\n能夠協助解決這一部分問題交通部的部分我們也會去解決今天先提出希望勞動部也能夠重視這個問題還有針對我們這個外籍移工的部分很多的企業、廠商也跟我們來澄清說從開始有這個外籍移工開始我們這個移工的合配比率好像從開始到現在都沒有調整過對不對有\n\n17\n00:06:19,665 --> 00:06:36,695\n方委員其實基本上就是目的事業主管機關像那個經濟部製造業就是經濟部他如果各個產業的合配比他認為說可能是現在時空的轉換這樣可能必須提高他就可以提案到我們勞動部來我們會開這個政策諮詢因為現在很多\n\n18\n00:06:41,798 --> 00:07:10,753\n工業區像我們的選區像我那邊是全北部最大的工業區那很多的廠商協進會很多的廠商都說這個外籍義工這個比例其實已經不合乎時宜他說其實從外籍義工開始引進到現在都沒有真正去重新檢討討論過所以他們說建議我們勞動部是不是針對這部分能夠找一些廠商學者還有我們這些廠商的代表希望來一個重新的檢討\n\n19\n00:07:12,894 --> 00:07:33,228\n針對這個合配的比例還有它這個使用上他說像有些染疹的部分還有晨衣廠他說有些這外籍移工使用的調配應該要能夠讓他們能夠去活用解決現在在台灣真的招募不到人來做的問題是報告委員其實我剛剛講過就是說你真的比例真的不足\n\n20\n00:07:34,088 --> 00:07:59,879\n你那個目的世界主管機關他可以提案過來我們政策諮詢小組會開會來討論看是不是合理第二個就是說其實我現在還沒有調整之前你可以用那個附加就extra你只要加那個救安費就可以提高這個比例另外還有就是承接國內轉出的移工5%裡面就是按照這個原來救安基金\n\n21\n00:08:02,366 --> 00:08:06,094\n他就可以來禁用另外轉成中階他轉成中階他還可以\n\n22\n00:08:08,715 --> 00:08:12,498\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n23\n00:08:36,196 --> 00:08:53,070\n我們有提出這個勞工保險財務改善的專案報告我先看了一下我發現其實這個專案報告真的太流於形式然後我們勞動保險業務我們看了一下從109年到113年你看這個勞動保險業務這個預算年年增加從1400多億到113年到2790\n\n24\n00:09:07,182 --> 00:09:21,379\n2790幾億這五年足足增加了兩倍那所以我看這個大部分都是用來補這個勞保基金然後我也看這個專案報告感覺真的是流於形勢沒有一些具體的改善方式部長你有什麼看法\n\n25\n00:09:22,293 --> 00:09:48,295\n報告委員這個其實包括那個健保的那個勞工的部分齁也是因為人數增加啊也是他們也是投保薪資也是在我們這邊我知道因為那另外還有就是撥補啦因為這勞保這個年金改革啊說真的因為我們也看了一下2020年喔部長也一直有心要去做八月份的時候你也說一定要去做不惜持官\n\n26\n00:09:48,815 --> 00:09:51,397\n二、處理中華民國11案及討論二、處理中華民國11案及討論二、處理中華民國11案及討論二、處理中華民國11案及討論\n\n27\n00:10:09,267 --> 00:10:24,988\n這個預算會凍結就是看不到一些具體的改善方案那現在今天又說要凍結我們也還是看不到具體的改善方案而且你又說要等三黨坐下來慢慢談那你都還沒談好你現在要來解凍我不知道要做什麼\n\n28\n00:10:25,669 --> 00:10:48,545\n那我倒認為這個是不是等到真的提出一個完善的改善方案的時候我們再來解凍來解決這個問題不然你看從2020年這個經費業務經費也是一直撥啊撥到現在也沒有一個完整的改善方案那現在又說要來解凍這個預算我不知道解凍以後難道今年解凍就可以做出改善方案嗎主要是因為預算的\n\n29\n00:10:53,341 --> 00:11:21,938\n關係到我們業務的推動可是我的意思說前面那麼多年你也說要做我們前面看預算也都編給你們啊然後你說要做也沒做然後你今年還說沒有辦法做那你還來解凍幹嘛你說要三黨坐下來來談談到可以做的時候再來解凍那前面說可以做的時候經費照編也做不出一個改善方案然後今年你說要三黨坐下來談才有辦法做那我不知道解凍這筆錢要做什麼\n\n30\n00:11:24,228 --> 00:11:49,150\n這個就是我們的勞保的相關的業務啦所以我的意思是說前面錢給你用啊你也做不出改善方案然後今天又說要來解凍這是兩個問題啦只是當初總結他是用這個案以為是解凍好啦那我說啊如果今年給那你有辦法改善方案嗎如果真的沒辦法給你說這明年這筆經費我們怎麼讓你過得了怎麼編得下去\n\n31\n00:11:51,533 --> 00:12:17,628\n老保年改這件事情我們一定是會很審慎也一定會積極處理部長你再好好看一下因為我很擔心從109年到113年增加了兩倍這個缺口越來越大你又沒有改善方案業務費100萬不是問題但是100萬給了也沒有具體的方案出來我不知道這個業務費一直給下去我相信當初會凍結就是因為你們沒有具體的方案謝謝\n\n32\n00:12:20,387 --> 00:12:20,448\n謝謝圖全集\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8444\t9787\t好謝謝請我們許部長請許部長\n18447\t39312\t請問一下像我們新冠疫情之前我們公路的客運的營運那個載客的人數應該都超過千萬那現在雖然疫情稍微比較趨緩理論上算是已經結束了那我印象現在可是現在的搭乘量大概也只不過到七成\n39952\t56545\t可是據我們了解他現在我們這個司機荒加上經營困難的問題我們目前看到好像很多的地方很多的縣市這公路的駕駛員都是很缺像我們可以看到像我們臺北桃園他的\n58266\t83240\t客運駕駛員的人數都是非常短缺而且造成很多營運上的問題像我們有這個9089桃園到北市古亭還有9103大溪到新北頂浦5203A盧竹到南崁到北市9005桃園到北市內科都因為這個人力的不足跟營運的不善造成很多的\n83720\t93888\t路線停駛甚至要加班加開的路線也沒有辦法去做那請問一下你知不知道現在我們公路客運駕駛員缺額大概有多少根據我們聯合報去做這個數據的顯示我們交通部在111年的時候有招募大概4800人可是\n111641\t131216\t只招募到1400多人所以不到三成那臺北市目前也說他們的缺額大概差700人那桃園市目前也缺額200多人而且最近桃園市為了要招募這個解決這個司機荒還特別祭出只要授訓\n132017\t136100\t二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n155816\t178238\t這個司機是屬於專技人員他其實不是屬於低階的藍領他應該是屬於白領那這個全程機關在交通部那他因為也要考證照那所以就是說這個應該是交通部去考量如果他要引進這個白領的司機的專技人員我們也是尊重他只要就是申請工作證因為這個我們也\n180119\t185905\t二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n203982\t232776\t公共財不是非企業盈利的部分那自動化的部分它自動駕駛的部分其實現在也還沒有到成熟的階段那薪資水準的部分就像剛剛部長有講它這個白領移工它的下限是47,971元其實我們客運的平均月的薪資可以到達59,000多所以基本上它也算是高薪而且如果以\n233436\t252506\t拼請這個外籍移工來講也不算是虧待他們這個薪水不能比他白領的移工最低下限還高而且重點他缺工的情形非常的嚴重你看我們高興在台灣真的都請不到人在台北市、桃園市甚至我相信各縣市\n254027\t282421\t人力缺口真的非常嚴重然後他3K產業他也符合他也是高工時勞累也是長年招募不足所以今天在這邊提出就希望我們勞動部是不是可以針對這一部分來解決我們這個司機荒這個需求的部分我們了解到現在真的是缺司機但是這個整個權責是在交通部我們尊重因為他是屬於白領\n283522\t304287\t他不是屬於蘭嶺的移工啦所以他只要符合他的資格那也可以相關證照可以考過我們其實我們只是負責發工作證而已啦所以這個部分我們尊重交通部的我們也會先提出因為我們今天提出就希望能夠勞動部能夠先重視這一部分因為這個指標是勞動部的指標我們經過這些指標這是移工的引進\n311549\t327942\t我可能要先說明這是移工的引進跟那個白領專技人員的其實不一樣的我們其實白領是不需要事務的沒關係因為我希望先讓勞動部先重視這部分問題當然交通部的問題我們也會去解決\n328723\t352437\t因為現在這個司機荒、人才招募這個問題造成很多地方很多的家長還有很多的上班族像我們現在很多路線搭乘的人很多可是要加班沒有辦法加班然後很多路線莫名的停駛那很多的縣市政府說他真的沒有司機所以沒有辦法去開所以也希望勞動部\n353337\t378345\t能夠協助解決這一部分問題交通部的部分我們也會去解決今天先提出希望勞動部也能夠重視這個問題還有針對我們這個外籍移工的部分很多的企業、廠商也跟我們來澄清說從開始有這個外籍移工開始我們這個移工的合配比率好像從開始到現在都沒有調整過對不對有\n379665\t396695\t方委員其實基本上就是目的事業主管機關像那個經濟部 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報告委員其實我剛剛講過就是說你真的比例真的不足\n454088\t479879\t你那個目的世界主管機關他可以提案過來我們政策諮詢小組會開會來討論看是不是合理第二個就是說其實我現在還沒有調整之前你可以用那個附加就extra你只要加那個救安費就可以提高這個比例另外還有就是承接國內轉出的移工5%裡面就是按照這個原來救安基金\n482366\t486094\t他就可以來禁用另外轉成中階他轉成中階他還可以\n488715\t492498\t二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n516196\t533070\t我們有提出這個勞工保險財務改善的專案報告我先看了一下我發現其實這個專案報告真的太流於形式然後我們勞動保險業務我們看了一下從109年到113年你看這個勞動保險業務這個預算年年增加從1400多億到113年到2790\n547182\t561379\t2790幾億這五年足足增加了兩倍那所以我看這個大部分都是用來補這個勞保基金然後我也看這個專案報告感覺真的是流於形勢沒有一些具體的改善方式部長你有什麼看法\n562293\t588295\t報告委員這個其實包括那個健保的那個勞工的部分齁也是因為人數增加啊也是他們也是投保薪資也是在我們這邊我知道因為那另外還有就是撥補啦因為這勞保這個年金改革啊說真的因為我們也看了一下2020年喔部長也一直有心要去做八月份的時候你也說一定要去做不惜持官\n588815\t591397\t二、處理中華民國11案及討論二、處理中華民國11案及討論二、處理中華民國11案及討論二、處理中華民國11案及討論\n609267\t624988\t這個預算會凍結就是看不到一些具體的改善方案那現在今天又說要凍結我們也還是看不到具體的改善方案而且你又說要等三黨坐下來慢慢談那你都還沒談好你現在要來解凍我不知道要做什麼\n625669\t648545\t那我倒認為這個是不是等到真的提出一個完善的改善方案的時候我們再來解凍來解決這個問題不然你看從2020年這個經費業務經費也是一直撥啊撥到現在也沒有一個完整的改善方案那現在又說要來解凍這個預算我不知道解凍以後難道今年解凍就可以做出改善方案嗎主要是因為預算的\n653341\t681938\t關係到我們業務的推動可是我的意思說前面那麼多年你也說要做我們前面看預算也都編給你們啊然後你說要做也沒做然後你今年還說沒有辦法做那你還來解凍幹嘛你說要三黨坐下來來談談到可以做的時候再來解凍那前面說可以做的時候經費照編也做不出一個改善方案然後今年你說要三黨坐下來談才有辦法做那我不知道解凍這筆錢要做什麼\n684228\t709150\t這個就是我們的勞保的相關的業務啦所以我的意思是說前面錢給你用啊你也做不出改善方案然後今天又說要來解凍這是兩個問題啦只是當初總結他是用這個案以為是解凍好啦那我說啊如果今年給那你有辦法改善方案嗎如果真的沒辦法給你說這明年這筆經費我們怎麼讓你過得了怎麼編得下去\n711533\t737628\t老保年改這件事情我們一定是會很審慎也一定會積極處理部長你再好好看一下因為我很擔心從109年到113年增加了兩倍這個缺口越來越大你又沒有改善方案業務費100萬不是問題但是100萬給了也沒有具體的方案出來我不知道這個業務費一直給下去我相信當初會凍結就是因為你們沒有具體的方案謝謝\n740387\t740448\t謝謝圖全集\n","txt":"好謝謝請我們許部長請許部長\n請問一下像我們新冠疫情之前我們公路的客運的營運那個載客的人數應該都超過千萬那現在雖然疫情稍微比較趨緩理論上算是已經結束了那我印象現在可是現在的搭乘量大概也只不過到七成\n可是據我們了解他現在我們這個司機荒加上經營困難的問題我們目前看到好像很多的地方很多的縣市這公路的駕駛員都是很缺像我們可以看到像我們臺北桃園他的\n客運駕駛員的人數都是非常短缺而且造成很多營運上的問題像我們有這個9089桃園到北市古亭還有9103大溪到新北頂浦5203A盧竹到南崁到北市9005桃園到北市內科都因為這個人力的不足跟營運的不善造成很多的\n路線停駛甚至要加班加開的路線也沒有辦法去做那請問一下你知不知道現在我們公路客運駕駛員缺額大概有多少根據我們聯合報去做這個數據的顯示我們交通部在111年的時候有招募大概4800人可是\n只招募到1400多人所以不到三成那臺北市目前也說他們的缺額大概差700人那桃園市目前也缺額200多人而且最近桃園市為了要招募這個解決這個司機荒還特別祭出只要授訓\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n這個司機是屬於專技人員他其實不是屬於低階的藍領他應該是屬於白領那這個全程機關在交通部那他因為也要考證照那所以就是說這個應該是交通部去考量如果他要引進這個白領的司機的專技人員我們也是尊重他只要就是申請工作證因為這個我們也\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n公共財不是非企業盈利的部分那自動化的部分它自動駕駛的部分其實現在也還沒有到成熟的階段那薪資水準的部分就像剛剛部長有講它這個白領移工它的下限是47,971元其實我們客運的平均月的薪資可以到達59,000多所以基本上它也算是高薪而且如果以\n拼請這個外籍移工來講也不算是虧待他們這個薪水不能比他白領的移工最低下限還高而且重點他缺工的情形非常的嚴重你看我們高興在台灣真的都請不到人在台北市、桃園市甚至我相信各縣市\n人力缺口真的非常嚴重然後他3K產業他也符合他也是高工時勞累也是長年招募不足所以今天在這邊提出就希望我們勞動部是不是可以針對這一部分來解決我們這個司機荒這個需求的部分我們了解到現在真的是缺司機但是這個整個權責是在交通部我們尊重因為他是屬於白領\n他不是屬於蘭嶺的移工啦所以他只要符合他的資格那也可以相關證照可以考過我們其實我們只是負責發工作證而已啦所以這個部分我們尊重交通部的我們也會先提出因為我們今天提出就希望能夠勞動部能夠先重視這一部分因為這個指標是勞動部的指標我們經過這些指標這是移工的引進\n我可能要先說明這是移工的引進跟那個白領專技人員的其實不一樣的我們其實白領是不需要事務的沒關係因為我希望先讓勞動部先重視這部分問題當然交通部的問題我們也會去解決\n因為現在這個司機荒、人才招募這個問題造成很多地方很多的家長還有很多的上班族像我們現在很多路線搭乘的人很多可是要加班沒有辦法加班然後很多路線莫名的停駛那很多的縣市政府說他真的沒有司機所以沒有辦法去開所以也希望勞動部\n能夠協助解決這一部分問題交通部的部分我們也會去解決今天先提出希望勞動部也能夠重視這個問題還有針對我們這個外籍移工的部分很多的企業、廠商也跟我們來澄清說從開始有這個外籍移工開始我們這個移工的合配比率好像從開始到現在都沒有調整過對不對有\n方委員其實基本上就是目的事業主管機關像那個經濟部 製造業就是經濟部他如果各個產業的合配比他認為說可能是現在時空的轉換這樣可能必須提高他就可以提案到我們勞動部來我們會開這個政策諮詢因為現在很多\n工業區像我們的選區像我那邊是全北部最大的工業區那很多的廠商協進會很多的廠商都說這個外籍義工這個比例其實已經不合乎時宜他說其實從外籍義工開始引進到現在都沒有真正去重新檢討討論過所以他們說建議我們勞動部是不是針對這部分能夠找一些廠商學者還有我們這些廠商的代表希望來一個重新的檢討\n針對這個合配的比例還有它這個使用上他說像有些染疹的部分還有晨衣廠他說有些這外籍移工使用的調配應該要能夠讓他們能夠去活用解決現在在台灣真的招募不到人來做的問題是 報告委員其實我剛剛講過就是說你真的比例真的不足\n你那個目的世界主管機關他可以提案過來我們政策諮詢小組會開會來討論看是不是合理第二個就是說其實我現在還沒有調整之前你可以用那個附加就extra你只要加那個救安費就可以提高這個比例另外還有就是承接國內轉出的移工5%裡面就是按照這個原來救安基金\n他就可以來禁用另外轉成中階他轉成中階他還可以\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n我們有提出這個勞工保險財務改善的專案報告我先看了一下我發現其實這個專案報告真的太流於形式然後我們勞動保險業務我們看了一下從109年到113年你看這個勞動保險業務這個預算年年增加從1400多億到113年到2790\n2790幾億這五年足足增加了兩倍那所以我看這個大部分都是用來補這個勞保基金然後我也看這個專案報告感覺真的是流於形勢沒有一些具體的改善方式部長你有什麼看法\n報告委員這個其實包括那個健保的那個勞工的部分齁也是因為人數增加啊也是他們也是投保薪資也是在我們這邊我知道因為那另外還有就是撥補啦因為這勞保這個年金改革啊說真的因為我們也看了一下2020年喔部長也一直有心要去做八月份的時候你也說一定要去做不惜持官\n二、處理中華民國11案及討論二、處理中華民國11案及討論二、處理中華民國11案及討論二、處理中華民國11案及討論\n這個預算會凍結就是看不到一些具體的改善方案那現在今天又說要凍結我們也還是看不到具體的改善方案而且你又說要等三黨坐下來慢慢談那你都還沒談好你現在要來解凍我不知道要做什麼\n那我倒認為這個是不是等到真的提出一個完善的改善方案的時候我們再來解凍來解決這個問題不然你看從2020年這個經費業務經費也是一直撥啊撥到現在也沒有一個完整的改善方案那現在又說要來解凍這個預算我不知道解凍以後難道今年解凍就可以做出改善方案嗎主要是因為預算的\n關係到我們業務的推動可是我的意思說前面那麼多年你也說要做我們前面看預算也都編給你們啊然後你說要做也沒做然後你今年還說沒有辦法做那你還來解凍幹嘛你說要三黨坐下來來談談到可以做的時候再來解凍那前面說可以做的時候經費照編也做不出一個改善方案然後今年你說要三黨坐下來談才有辦法做那我不知道解凍這筆錢要做什麼\n這個就是我們的勞保的相關的業務啦所以我的意思是說前面錢給你用啊你也做不出改善方案然後今天又說要來解凍這是兩個問題啦只是當初總結他是用這個案以為是解凍好啦那我說啊如果今年給那你有辦法改善方案嗎如果真的沒辦法給你說這明年這筆經費我們怎麼讓你過得了怎麼編得下去\n老保年改這件事情我們一定是會很審慎也一定會積極處理部長你再好好看一下因為我很擔心從109年到113年增加了兩倍這個缺口越來越大你又沒有改善方案業務費100萬不是問題但是100萬給了也沒有具體的方案出來我不知道這個業務費一直給下去我相信當初會凍結就是因為你們沒有具體的方案謝謝\n謝謝圖全集\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.444 --> 00:09.787\n好謝謝請我們許部長請許部長\n\n00:18.447 --> 00:39.312\n請問一下像我們新冠疫情之前我們公路的客運的營運那個載客的人數應該都超過千萬那現在雖然疫情稍微比較趨緩理論上算是已經結束了那我印象現在可是現在的搭乘量大概也只不過到七成\n\n00:39.952 --> 00:56.545\n可是據我們了解他現在我們這個司機荒加上經營困難的問題我們目前看到好像很多的地方很多的縣市這公路的駕駛員都是很缺像我們可以看到像我們臺北桃園他的\n\n00:58.266 --> 01:23.240\n客運駕駛員的人數都是非常短缺而且造成很多營運上的問題像我們有這個9089桃園到北市古亭還有9103大溪到新北頂浦5203A盧竹到南崁到北市9005桃園到北市內科都因為這個人力的不足跟營運的不善造成很多的\n\n01:23.720 --> 01:33.888\n路線停駛甚至要加班加開的路線也沒有辦法去做那請問一下你知不知道現在我們公路客運駕駛員缺額大概有多少根據我們聯合報去做這個數據的顯示我們交通部在111年的時候有招募大概4800人可是\n\n01:51.641 --> 02:11.216\n只招募到1400多人所以不到三成那臺北市目前也說他們的缺額大概差700人那桃園市目前也缺額200多人而且最近桃園市為了要招募這個解決這個司機荒還特別祭出只要授訓\n\n02:12.017 --> 02:16.100\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n02:35.816 --> 02:58.238\n這個司機是屬於專技人員他其實不是屬於低階的藍領他應該是屬於白領那這個全程機關在交通部那他因為也要考證照那所以就是說這個應該是交通部去考量如果他要引進這個白領的司機的專技人員我們也是尊重他只要就是申請工作證因為這個我們也\n\n03:00.119 --> 03:05.905\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n03:23.982 --> 03:52.776\n公共財不是非企業盈利的部分那自動化的部分它自動駕駛的部分其實現在也還沒有到成熟的階段那薪資水準的部分就像剛剛部長有講它這個白領移工它的下限是47,971元其實我們客運的平均月的薪資可以到達59,000多所以基本上它也算是高薪而且如果以\n\n03:53.436 --> 04:12.506\n拼請這個外籍移工來講也不算是虧待他們這個薪水不能比他白領的移工最低下限還高而且重點他缺工的情形非常的嚴重你看我們高興在台灣真的都請不到人在台北市、桃園市甚至我相信各縣市\n\n04:14.027 --> 04:42.421\n人力缺口真的非常嚴重然後他3K產業他也符合他也是高工時勞累也是長年招募不足所以今天在這邊提出就希望我們勞動部是不是可以針對這一部分來解決我們這個司機荒這個需求的部分我們了解到現在真的是缺司機但是這個整個權責是在交通部我們尊重因為他是屬於白領\n\n04:43.522 --> 05:04.287\n他不是屬於蘭嶺的移工啦所以他只要符合他的資格那也可以相關證照可以考過我們其實我們只是負責發工作證而已啦所以這個部分我們尊重交通部的我們也會先提出因為我們今天提出就希望能夠勞動部能夠先重視這一部分因為這個指標是勞動部的指標我們經過這些指標這是移工的引進\n\n05:11.549 --> 05:27.942\n我可能要先說明這是移工的引進跟那個白領專技人員的其實不一樣的我們其實白領是不需要事務的沒關係因為我希望先讓勞動部先重視這部分問題當然交通部的問題我們也會去解決\n\n05:28.723 --> 05:52.437\n因為現在這個司機荒、人才招募這個問題造成很多地方很多的家長還有很多的上班族像我們現在很多路線搭乘的人很多可是要加班沒有辦法加班然後很多路線莫名的停駛那很多的縣市政府說他真的沒有司機所以沒有辦法去開所以也希望勞動部\n\n05:53.337 --> 06:18.345\n能夠協助解決這一部分問題交通部的部分我們也會去解決今天先提出希望勞動部也能夠重視這個問題還有針對我們這個外籍移工的部分很多的企業、廠商也跟我們來澄清說從開始有這個外籍移工開始我們這個移工的合配比率好像從開始到現在都沒有調整過對不對有\n\n06:19.665 --> 06:36.695\n方委員其實基本上就是目的事業主管機關像那個經濟部製造業就是經濟部他如果各個產業的合配比他認為說可能是現在時空的轉換這樣可能必須提高他就可以提案到我們勞動部來我們會開這個政策諮詢因為現在很多\n\n06:41.798 --> 07:10.753\n工業區像我們的選區像我那邊是全北部最大的工業區那很多的廠商協進會很多的廠商都說這個外籍義工這個比例其實已經不合乎時宜他說其實從外籍義工開始引進到現在都沒有真正去重新檢討討論過所以他們說建議我們勞動部是不是針對這部分能夠找一些廠商學者還有我們這些廠商的代表希望來一個重新的檢討\n\n07:12.894 --> 07:33.228\n針對這個合配的比例還有它這個使用上他說像有些染疹的部分還有晨衣廠他說有些這外籍移工使用的調配應該要能夠讓他們能夠去活用解決現在在台灣真的招募不到人來做的問題是報告委員其實我剛剛講過就是說你真的比例真的不足\n\n07:34.088 --> 07:59.879\n你那個目的世界主管機關他可以提案過來我們政策諮詢小組會開會來討論看是不是合理第二個就是說其實我現在還沒有調整之前你可以用那個附加就extra你只要加那個救安費就可以提高這個比例另外還有就是承接國內轉出的移工5%裡面就是按照這個原來救安基金\n\n08:02.366 --> 08:06.094\n他就可以來禁用另外轉成中階他轉成中階他還可以\n\n08:08.715 --> 08:12.498\n二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算有關勞動部主管預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論二、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算凍結案21案及討論\n\n08:36.196 --> 08:53.070\n我們有提出這個勞工保險財務改善的專案報告我先看了一下我發現其實這個專案報告真的太流於形式然後我們勞動保險業務我們看了一下從109年到113年你看這個勞動保險業務這個預算年年增加從1400多億到113年到2790\n\n09:07.182 --> 09:21.379\n2790幾億這五年足足增加了兩倍那所以我看這個大部分都是用來補這個勞保基金然後我也看這個專案報告感覺真的是流於形勢沒有一些具體的改善方式部長你有什麼看法\n\n09:22.293 --> 09:48.295\n報告委員這個其實包括那個健保的那個勞工的部分齁也是因為人數增加啊也是他們也是投保薪資也是在我們這邊我知道因為那另外還有就是撥補啦因為這勞保這個年金改革啊說真的因為我們也看了一下2020年喔部長也一直有心要去做八月份的時候你也說一定要去做不惜持官\n\n09:48.815 --> 09:51.397\n二、處理中華民國11案及討論二、處理中華民國11案及討論二、處理中華民國11案及討論二、處理中華民國11案及討論\n\n10:09.267 --> 10:24.988\n這個預算會凍結就是看不到一些具體的改善方案那現在今天又說要凍結我們也還是看不到具體的改善方案而且你又說要等三黨坐下來慢慢談那你都還沒談好你現在要來解凍我不知道要做什麼\n\n10:25.669 --> 10:48.545\n那我倒認為這個是不是等到真的提出一個完善的改善方案的時候我們再來解凍來解決這個問題不然你看從2020年這個經費業務經費也是一直撥啊撥到現在也沒有一個完整的改善方案那現在又說要來解凍這個預算我不知道解凍以後難道今年解凍就可以做出改善方案嗎主要是因為預算的\n\n10:53.341 --> 11:21.938\n關係到我們業務的推動可是我的意思說前面那麼多年你也說要做我們前面看預算也都編給你們啊然後你說要做也沒做然後你今年還說沒有辦法做那你還來解凍幹嘛你說要三黨坐下來來談談到可以做的時候再來解凍那前面說可以做的時候經費照編也做不出一個改善方案然後今年你說要三黨坐下來談才有辦法做那我不知道解凍這筆錢要做什麼\n\n11:24.228 --> 11:49.150\n這個就是我們的勞保的相關的業務啦所以我的意思是說前面錢給你用啊你也做不出改善方案然後今天又說要來解凍這是兩個問題啦只是當初總結他是用這個案以為是解凍好啦那我說啊如果今年給那你有辦法改善方案嗎如果真的沒辦法給你說這明年這筆經費我們怎麼讓你過得了怎麼編得下去\n\n11:51.533 --> 12:17.628\n老保年改這件事情我們一定是會很審慎也一定會積極處理部長你再好好看一下因為我很擔心從109年到113年增加了兩倍這個缺口越來越大你又沒有改善方案業務費100萬不是問題但是100萬給了也沒有具體的方案出來我不知道這個業務費一直給下去我相信當初會凍結就是因為你們沒有具體的方案謝謝\n\n12:20.387 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