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主委我今天想要和主委討論一下台灣的這個移工政策因為畢竟國發會是站在整個政策制定的一個比較上位階然後負責去統整把政策定出來那主委你會知道說現在台灣的移工那這一個失聯的移工可以說是非常的多這個主委你清楚嗎\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n其他國家事實上有很多的像美國來講他就有很多的偷渡客美國偷渡客是比較有特殊因為他畢竟他還有邊界嘛他是有邊界的問題那台灣不一樣台灣是一個海島國家這樣的海島國家還會有失聯移工那只有一個只能呈現一個狀況政策問題讓這些移工他很有可能會選擇失聯\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n就會大大降低他想要逃跑他想要變成失聯移工的誘因注意我這樣說到不對\n八五元因為移工一樣在我們這個勞動基準法的保障範圍之內所以他每一個月每一個禮拜的工作時間事實上也受到限制工作時間是指他在同一份工作會有勞動基準法我現在也不是要打破勞動基準法說讓他去變超時工作\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n但是這部分我們還沒有開放那個服務業的部分因為勞動部他有整體性的看法是啊那有他們的看法沒關係我都跟你們說但是農業這個部分我覺得是比較當然因為農業本來我們就有市場不開放阿你說產業像我那天遇到齁在做台灣的那一種煙火工廠做煙火它是合法喔雖然不是說違法合法的煙火工廠煙火工廠他們的煙火還甚至交到美國迪士尼去結果這個煙火工廠他們說他們沒辦法請移工\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算凍結案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展基金及所屬主管預算\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 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