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Tahovecahe委員：主委您好，有一個組織叫全球防詐聯盟（GASA），您應該有聽過？"],["黃主任委員天牧：有。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：根據2023年的一個詐騙報告，它有分六個等級，從Never到Every Day，我們臺灣在Every Day的部分大概僅次於香港，Never是幾乎沒有，也就是說，臺灣每個人都可能接到過這樣的詐騙電話。另外它統計的數字，有66%的民眾認為他們的經濟是顯著受到影響，我作為一個民意代表，我們也經常接受這樣的陳情，簡報秀出的是上個禮拜有一位陳情者跟我提到，他的朋友加入一個叫做FPS的LINE，主委您聽過FPS嗎？"],["黃主任委員天牧：對不起，我沒有聽過。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我也自己上網查了，也查不到，但是他宣稱有受到金管會的監督。這個受害者其實蠻嚴重的，因為他現在需要用到錢，而錢提不出來，所以他有了輕生的念頭。他們是透過這樣一個LINE@就被騙了，然後錢就一直出去。我現在要講的是像這樣的情況層出不窮，對於受詐騙的人，說一句實在話也非常的痛苦，民不聊生，幾乎大家都有遇過這樣的狀況。另外再提到一個醫指付APP，去年9月曾經個資外洩，當時金管會說要查，可是我們看到，上個月醫指付Google Play評論還是有民眾被盜刷。所以想要請教主委，金管會的調查情形到底如何？"],["黃主任委員天牧：報告委員，這個案子因為是衛福部下面的一個醫務公司透過財經去處理的，所以那個個資部分應該是衛福部要去處理和調查的，不是金管會。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那為什麼當時我們看經濟日報，金管會說要釐清？"],["黃主任委員天牧：我不曉得經濟日報是怎麼寫的，因為那個時候院裡面有協調，這個案子的主管機關，因為這個醫療體系的費用是透過無現金的方式去處理……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：因為這個是個資，還有被盜刷，這跟金管會一點關係都沒有嗎？"],["黃主任委員天牧：不是，我是說當時的分工，衛福部是這個醫務公司的主管機關。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：你們有沒有主動去問衛福部調查結果如何？"],["黃主任委員天牧：當時有做過分工了，這個公司是把一些資訊的東西外包給那個廠商，我們可以會後再去向衛福部瞭解一下。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：還是要把結果告訴我們。"],["黃主任委員天牧：好，我們會後瞭解再跟委員報告。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：因為今天就是來做打詐的專報嘛！"],["黃主任委員天牧：是。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我們來看一下，詐騙金額屬於假投資的連續5年第1，所以我們很關心到底怎麼樣來打詐。我們看到金管會識詐三部曲，會拍影片、會設網頁、會做宣導，但是我們可以看到詐騙的手法從過去幾十年前的金光黨，到現在可以說是推陳出新，日益狂妄。我們來看一下金管會做的這個影片，我們就覺得很有趣，因為3個月前發布的這部影片，觀看次數是1.5萬次，另外3年前影片的觀看次數是1.8萬次，所以我們想要繼續的來追蹤，會不會是因為去買廣告推播，然後到1.5萬次就緩慢的增加？那到底是屬於自然吸引人家來看，還是用買的、用廣告推播？我們不得而知，但是我們會繼續來觀察。另外我們看到這些影片，僅僅只有投放在單一的社群平台，就是YouTube，我們去查Facebook，金管會沒有上架，IG也沒有開設帳號，Twitter也沒有開設帳號，我想要問一下，不知道金管會有沒有更好的做法？"],["黃主任委員天牧：其實我們金管會在整個的功能上是阻詐，識詐是一部分，但是這個部分是銀行局他們的經費每年拍微電影，其實我們證券周邊單位做了很多類似這種宣導，而且在這些社群媒體上都有做。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：主委，我會這樣子問，像前年發生柬埔寨案件，在一個月之內有好多好多人來跟我陳情，說他們去柬埔寨回不來，結果我請外交部來，外交部說「哎呀！這個其實早在去年前年就有發生」，他們說他們有做宣導，我說把宣導給我看，就是類似這樣的東西，沒有人知道啊！沒有人知道啊！我的意思是說，我們既然所有的部會要一起來投入打詐，我們可能要去想一想：哪裡做的不好、如何精進、要有策進作為。這樣可以嗎？"],["黃主任委員天牧：可以，我想……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我想金管會這邊其實有公布名單，可是我們看一下金管會的防詐專區，我們看到公布的名單是散落在4個檔案夾，然後要下載才能夠一一檢視，我相信主委您應該也不認同這種做法，提供名冊自己查太辛苦，而且有6個單位、6個網頁，真的看不到，對民眾來講，我們最希望的是一次查詢，不是要各自單位來各自消化預算。","繼續請教警政署，內政部有一個165全民防騙網，結果有兩萬多筆的LINE ID，要民眾大海撈針，我也想要問一下警政署，如果我隨便講一個Ay89023這個ID，您有沒有辦法馬上查出來？"],["李副署長西河：那個按下去直接可以搜尋。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：確定嗎？"],["李副署長西河：是。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那我們來看一下「165」LINE＠帳號，您說按下去嘛，那我再來查一個kkya8，它是寫「尚無通報紀錄」，可是我剛剛講的那個兩萬筆165的網頁卻有這個詐騙帳號，兩個是對不起來的，你要不要回去重新檢視一下？好，其實我要講的是，可不可以請警政署、數發部、金管會，你們有沒有可能合作來設立一個網站，供民眾一站式的查詢？做這件事很困難嗎？有沒有很困難？數發部，可以嗎？"],["李次長懷仁：技術上都沒有問題，我們可以來協助，但是資料源就要看各部會的權限能不能提供。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：是不是1個月內給我一個報告？你們至少要研議。"],["李次長懷仁：沒問題，我們來研議。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，1個月。再請教一下警政署，請問如果錢包遺失了，要先報警好還是先掛失好？"],["李副署長西河：所謂的錢包是我們一般的錢包嗎？"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：沒有，我這個是真的問題，就是錢包真的掉了，這不是腦筋急轉彎。"],["李副署長西河：如果丟掉了就要來報警。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：你覺得要報警好，對不對？"],["李副署長西河：對。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，我們來看一下，在發卡機構有一個「信用卡定型化契約範本」，第十七條上面是這樣說啦！應儘速以電話或其他方式通知發卡機構辦理掛失手續，但如發卡機構認為有必要的時候，應於受理掛失手續日起10日內通知持卡人，要求於受通知日起3日內向當地警察機關報案或以書面補行通知發卡機構。主委，你覺得這樣的要點好不好？"],["黃主任委員天牧：這應該是一般的通例，本來就應該先去跟發卡機構通知，必要的時候可能要向警察機關……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：實際上是這樣，民眾不是忍者，分身乏術啦！不會影分身之術，但掛失就是要跟盜刷搶時間啊！那報案我也想要問一下，像我剛才提的FPS投信詐騙，我問警政署好了，有沒有成功的案例可以把錢追回來？"],["李副署長西河：我們當然有成功的案例把錢追回來。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那你們要不要在網路上面去公布這些成功案例？因為很多的陳情人會問我們能不能把錢追回來，我也不知道啊！到底那些錢是怎麼追回來的，可以讓我們知道嗎？"],["李副署長西河：錢包丟失，從裡面的證件去……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我不是講錢包，我現在講的是類似這種投信詐騙、電信詐騙。"],["李副署長西河：就看我們在偵辦的時候，扣到的這些不法所得……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，金管會有沒有成功的案例把錢抓回來？"],["黃主任委員天牧：信用卡被盜刷，有。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：有，這個都可以公布嗎？"],["黃主任委員天牧：不是，至少止付就對了。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，可以公布嘛？因為很多人會問。我現在是說，因為掛失就是跟盜刷搶時間，如果一個人的錢包掉了，結果裡面有各式各樣的卡，那他要去掛失，又加上這些客服電話很難打，我相信各位都知道，有的要40分鐘，有的要1個小時、半個小時，在網路都有公布，像台新要40分鐘、富邦30分鐘、華南27分鐘，如果他錢包裡面有這麼多卡，他到底要打到什麼時候？現在金管會如果是提倡普惠金融，我們也希望要來做便利金融，建立這種一站式的信用卡、金融卡掛失機制，所以本席在這邊要求，金管會是不是可以來研究一下，成立一站式的金融卡、信用卡掛失機制？主委，可不可以？沒關係，1個月內回復。"],["黃主任委員天牧：我們來研究一下，不過現在好像一天之內都可以保護投資人。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，沒有關係，就1個月內回復。"],["黃主任委員天牧：我們來研究，好不好？謝謝委員。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，謝謝主委。在數發部、警政署、金管會這邊，我們是希望建立一站式查詢LINE ID、LINE@及假投資公司名稱，建立搜尋機制，讓民眾如果有接受到這樣的詐騙，他至少有一個很方便的窗口能夠一站式地去查詢，像我查FPS我查不到，那我就知道這個應該是有問題的，不需要去逐一點閱你們所提供的LINE ID，這樣可以嗎？"],["李次長懷仁：委員，您剛剛講的是兩個概念，一個是黑名單，一個是白名單，我們再回去研議一下。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，那你就研議一下。"],["李次長懷仁：因為你剛剛講的合法的跟非法的，不應該在同一個網站上查。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那你們就研究一下，好不好？好，謝謝。謝謝主席。"],["黃主任委員天牧：謝謝委員。"],["主席（顏委員寬恒代）：接下來請羅明才召委質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":298,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-20-5","speakers":["羅明才","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","郭國文","賴惠員","王鴻薇","黃珊珊","李坤城","王世堅","顏寬恒","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","李彥秀","謝衣鳯","黃國昌","鍾佳濱","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:33,979\n對不起沒有聽過對那我也自己上網查也查不到齁但是他宣稱他有受到金管會的一個那個監督那這個人其實他蠻嚴重的因為他現在\n\n6\n00:01:34,520 --> 00:02:03,387\n因為需要用到錢錢提不出來所以他就有親生的念頭那他們是透過這樣的一個LightAd就被騙然後錢就一直出去好那我現在要講的是說像這樣的情況的層出不窮那受詐騙的人說一句實在話也非常的痛苦名不聊生幾乎大家都有遇過這樣的狀況那這邊有一個一指付的APP他在去年的9月曾經呢\n\n7\n00:02:04,187 --> 00:02:18,501\n各自外洩那當時金管會說要查可是我們看到上個月依止付GooglePlay的評論還是有民眾被倒刷所以想要請教主委金管會的一個調查情形到底如何\n\n8\n00:02:20,253 --> 00:02:20,974\n為什麼當時我們看到經濟日報、金管會說要釐清?\n\n9\n00:02:40,950 --> 00:02:42,171\n因為這個是個資還有被倒刷,所以跟金管會一點關係都沒有嗎?\n\n10\n00:03:01,835 --> 00:03:19,754\n不是,我不能這樣,我是說當時的分工是衛福部是這個醫務公司的主管之中。那你們有沒有主動去問衛福部調查結果如何?當時有做過分工了,那就是這個公司他本身他把他的這個有些資訊的東西外包給那個廠商。\n\n11\n00:03:20,915 --> 00:03:22,797\n我們的詐騙金額屬於假投資的連續五年第一\n\n12\n00:03:37,230 --> 00:04:01,977\n那金管會我們很關心到底怎麼樣來打詐那我們看到試詐的三部曲會拍影片會設網頁會做宣導但是呢我們可以看到詐騙的手法從過去幾十年前的金光黨到現在可以說是推陳出新日益狂妄那我們來看一下我們金管會做的這個影片我們就覺得很有趣因為\n\n13\n00:04:02,717 --> 00:04:24,562\n我們看到三個月前的發布的這部影片他的觀看次數是1.5萬次那另外這個三年前的這個影片呢他的觀看次數是1.8萬次所以我們想要繼續的來追蹤啊因為會不會是因為去買廣告推播嗎會不會到1.5萬次然後就緩慢的增加\n\n14\n00:04:25,522 --> 00:04:41,195\n到底是屬於自然吸引人來看還是用買的用廣告推播我們不得而知但是我們會繼續的來觀察可是我們看到這些影片他僅僅只有投放在單一的社群平台就是YouTube\n\n15\n00:04:41,815 --> 00:04:55,458\n我們去查Facebook沒有上架金管會沒有那這個IG沒有開設帳號這個Trust也沒有開設帳號那我就想要問一下金管會不知道有沒有更好的做法\n\n16\n00:04:57,028 --> 00:04:57,788\n主委我會這樣子問喔我是因為像前年我們有柬埔寨\n\n17\n00:05:22,254 --> 00:05:43,146\n結果呢在一個月之內好多好多人來跟我澄清說他們去柬埔寨回不來結果呢我請外交部來外交部呢說哎呀這個其實早在去年前年就有發生他們說他們有做宣導我說宣導給我看就是類似這樣的東西沒有人知道啊\n\n18\n00:05:43,686 --> 00:05:56,360\n沒有人知道我的意思是說我們既然所有的部會要一起來投入打仗我們可能要去想一想哪裡做得不好如何精進要有策進作為這樣可以嗎可以我想\n\n19\n00:05:58,803 --> 00:06:21,879\n我想金管會這邊其實有在做公佈名單可是我們看一下金管會的這個防詐專區我們看到他公佈的名單是散落在四個檔案夾然後要下載才能夠一一檢視那我相信主委您應該也不認同這種做法提供名冊自己查太辛苦而且有六個單位六個網頁\n\n20\n00:06:42,887 --> 00:06:55,416\n有兩萬多筆的LINEID然後要民眾大海撈針啊我就也想要問一下我們警政署齁如果我隨便講一個AY89023這個ID齁您有沒有辦法馬上查出來?沒有警政署的嗎?\n\n21\n00:07:04,485 --> 00:07:20,721\n那個直接可以直接按下去直接可以縮形確定嗎是好那我們來看一下喔165這個Line8帳號您說按下去嘛那我再來查一個KKYA8他是寫上無通報記錄喔可是我剛剛講的那個2萬筆165的網頁卻有這個詐騙帳號喔兩個是對不起來的喔\n\n22\n00:07:27,728 --> 00:07:45,600\n要不要回去再重新檢視一下那我其實要講的是說可不可以請警政署、數發部、金管會你們有沒有可能合作來設立一個網站然後供民眾一站式的查詢做這件事很困難嗎有沒有很困難數發部可以嗎\n\n23\n00:07:53,220 --> 00:08:12,772\n公務員報告技術上都沒有問題我們可以來協助但是資料源就要看各部會的法權線能不能提供那是不是至少一個月內給我這樣的一個報告你們至少要研議我沒問題一個月那再請教一下警政署請問如果錢包遺失了要先報警好還是先掛屍好\n\n24\n00:08:14,790 --> 00:08:15,871\n在我們的發卡機構有一個信用卡定型化的契約範本第17條它上面是這樣說啦\n\n25\n00:08:42,635 --> 00:09:10,454\n應盡速以電話或其他方式通知發卡機構掛屍手續但如發卡機構認為有必要的時候應於受理掛屍手續日期10日內通知持卡人要求於受通知日期3日內向當地警察機關報案或以書面補行通知發卡機構那個主委您覺得這樣的一個要點您覺得好不好\n\n26\n00:09:12,261 --> 00:09:31,230\n這應該是一般的通例本來就是應該先去跟法卡機構通知那必要的時候可能要向警察機關實際上是這樣的啦民眾不是忍者啦分身罰術啦不會引分身之術那掛屍就是要跟倒刷搶時間啊\n\n27\n00:09:33,274 --> 00:09:48,125\n那報案我也想要問一下像我剛才那個FPS投信詐騙我想問一下那個問警政署好了有沒有成功的案例可以把錢追回來我們當然有成功的案例把錢追回來那你們要不要在網路上面去公佈這些成功案例\n\n28\n00:09:59,111 --> 00:10:25,347\n因為很多的陳情人會問我們啊能不能把錢追回來我也不知道啊到底那些錢追回來他是怎麼追回來的可以讓我們知道嗎錢包就是裡面的證件他記我不是講錢包我現在講的是類似這種頭信詐騙電信詐騙我就看我們在正版的時候擴大了擴大了這些不法所得我也希望金管會有沒有成功的案例把錢抓回來\n\n29\n00:10:26,900 --> 00:10:31,645\n信用卡對盜刷有嗎?有齁,這個都可以公佈嗎?好,可以公佈嘛,因為很多人會問我現在是說因為掛屍就是跟盜刷搶時間那如果我們每一個人他的錢包掉了結果裡面有各式各樣的卡\n\n30\n00:10:45,759 --> 00:10:45,899\n議員會主席\n\n31\n00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:16,199\n主席\n\n32\n00:11:29,839 --> 00:11:51,661\n我們來研究一下,不過現在好像一天之內都可以保護投資人,我們來研究好不好?謝謝主委那速發部警政署金管會這邊那我們是希望說建立一個民眾一站式的查詢的這樣的一個LINEID或LINEID還有假投資公司的名稱建立搜尋機制讓我們的民眾\n\n33\n00:11:53,783 --> 00:12:11,470\n如果他有接受到這樣的一個詐騙他至少有一個很方便的窗口能夠一站式的去查詢像我一查FPS我查不到嘛那我就知道這個應該是有問題的齁那不需要去逐一點閱這些你們所提供的這些LINEID這樣可以嗎?\n\n34\n00:12:12,901 --> 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Play的評論還是有民眾被倒刷所以想要請教主委金管會的一個調查情形到底如何\n為什麼當時我們看到經濟日報、金管會說要釐清?\n因為這個是個資還有被倒刷,所以跟金管會一點關係都沒有嗎?\n不是,我不能這樣,我是說當時的分工是衛福部是這個醫務公司的主管之中。那你們有沒有主動去問衛福部調查結果如何?當時有做過分工了,那就是這個公司他本身他把他的這個有些資訊的東西外包給那個廠商。\n我們的詐騙金額屬於假投資的連續五年第一\n那金管會我們很關心到底怎麼樣來打詐那我們看到試詐的三部曲會拍影片會設網頁會做宣導但是呢我們可以看到詐騙的手法從過去幾十年前的金光黨到現在可以說是推陳出新日益狂妄那我們來看一下我們金管會做的這個影片我們就覺得很有趣因為\n我們看到三個月前的發布的這部影片他的觀看次數是1.5萬次那另外這個三年前的這個影片呢他的觀看次數是1.8萬次所以我們想要繼續的來追蹤啊因為會不會是因為去買廣告推播嗎會不會到1.5萬次然後就緩慢的增加\n到底是屬於自然吸引人來看還是用買的用廣告推播我們不得而知但是我們會繼續的來觀察可是我們看到這些影片他僅僅只有投放在單一的社群平台就是YouTube\n我們去查Facebook沒有上架金管會沒有那這個IG沒有開設帳號這個Trust也沒有開設帳號那我就想要問一下金管會不知道有沒有更好的做法\n主委我會這樣子問喔我是因為像前年我們有柬埔寨\n結果呢在一個月之內好多好多人來跟我澄清說他們去柬埔寨回不來結果呢我請外交部來外交部呢說哎呀這個其實早在去年前年就有發生他們說他們有做宣導我說宣導給我看就是類似這樣的東西沒有人知道啊\n沒有人知道我的意思是說我們既然所有的部會要一起來投入打仗我們可能要去想一想哪裡做得不好如何精進要有策進作為這樣可以嗎可以我想\n我想金管會這邊其實有在做公佈名單可是我們看一下金管會的這個防詐專區我們看到他公佈的名單是散落在四個檔案夾然後要下載才能夠一一檢視那我相信主委您應該也不認同這種做法提供名冊自己查太辛苦而且有六個單位六個網頁\n﹏﹏\n有兩萬多筆的LINE ID然後要民眾大海撈針啊我就也想要問一下我們警政署齁如果我隨便講一個AY89023這個ID齁您有沒有辦法馬上查出來?沒有警政署的嗎?\n那個直接可以直接按下去直接可以縮形確定嗎是好那我們來看一下喔165這個Line8帳號您說按下去嘛那我再來查一個KKYA8他是寫上無通報記錄喔可是我剛剛講的那個2萬筆165的網頁卻有這個詐騙帳號喔兩個是對不起來的喔\n要不要回去再重新檢視一下那我其實要講的是說可不可以請警政署、數發部、金管會你們有沒有可能合作來設立一個網站然後供民眾一站式的查詢做這件事很困難嗎有沒有很困難數發部可以嗎\n公務員報告技術上都沒有問題我們可以來協助但是資料源就要看各部會的法權線能不能提供那是不是至少一個月內給我這樣的一個報告你們至少要研議我沒問題一個月那再請教一下警政署請問如果錢包遺失了要先報警好還是先掛屍好\n在我們的發卡機構有一個信用卡定型化的契約範本第17條它上面是這樣說啦\n應盡速以電話或其他方式通知發卡機構掛屍手續但如發卡機構認為有必要的時候應於受理掛屍手續日期10日內通知持卡人要求於受通知日期3日內向當地警察機關報案或以書面補行通知發卡機構那個主委您覺得這樣的一個要點您覺得好不好\n這應該是一般的通例本來就是應該先去跟法卡機構通知那必要的時候可能要向警察機關實際上是這樣的啦民眾不是忍者啦分身罰術啦不會引分身之術那掛屍就是要跟倒刷搶時間啊\n那報案我也想要問一下像我剛才那個FPS投信詐騙我想問一下那個問警政署好了有沒有成功的案例可以把錢追回來我們當然有成功的案例把錢追回來那你們要不要在網路上面去公佈這些成功案例\n因為很多的陳情人會問我們啊能不能把錢追回來我也不知道啊到底那些錢追回來他是怎麼追回來的可以讓我們知道嗎錢包就是裡面的證件他記我不是講錢包我現在講的是類似這種頭信詐騙電信詐騙我就看我們在正版的時候擴大了擴大了這些不法所得我也希望金管會有沒有成功的案例把錢抓回來\n信用卡對盜刷有嗎?有齁,這個都可以公佈嗎?好,可以公佈嘛,因為很多人會問我現在是說因為掛屍就是跟盜刷搶時間那如果我們每一個人他的錢包掉了結果裡面有各式各樣的卡\n議員會主席\n主席\n我們來研究一下,不過現在好像一天之內都可以保護投資人,我們來研究好不好?謝謝主委那速發部警政署金管會這邊那我們是希望說建立一個民眾一站式的查詢的這樣的一個LINE ID或LINE ID還有假投資公司的名稱建立搜尋機制讓我們的民眾\n如果他有接受到這樣的一個詐騙他至少有一個很方便的窗口能夠一站式的去查詢像我一查FPS我查不到嘛那我就知道這個應該是有問題的齁那不需要去逐一點閱這些你們所提供的這些LINE ID這樣可以嗎?\n委員您剛講的是兩個概念一個是黑名單一個是白名單我們再回去研議一下因為你剛講的合法的跟非法的不應該在同一個網站上查那你們就研究一下好不好好那謝謝主席謝謝委員好謝謝委員接下來\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.750 --> 00:07.615\n主席好。有請金管會、數法部、警政署。黃主委請理政次。\n\n00:13.847 --> 00:19.671\n主席,您好。有一個組織叫全球防詐聯盟,GASO。根據它2023年的一個詐騙報告,\n\n00:32.097 --> 00:51.592\n他有分六個等級從never到everyday那我們可以看到我們台灣他在Everyday的部分大概僅次於香港那never的幾乎沒有也就是說我們台灣每個人都可能接到過這樣的詐騙電話那另外我們也可以看到他統計的數字\n\n00:53.613 --> 01:17.409\n有66%的民眾認為他們的經濟是顯著的受到影響那我作為一個民意代表我們也經常接受這樣的一個陳情那像這個是上個禮拜他特別跟我提到說他的朋友那麼有加入一個投信的LINE叫做FPS主委您聽過FPS嗎?\n\n01:19.002 --> 01:33.979\n對不起沒有聽過對那我也自己上網查也查不到齁但是他宣稱他有受到金管會的一個那個監督那這個人其實他蠻嚴重的因為他現在\n\n01:34.520 --> 02:03.387\n因為需要用到錢錢提不出來所以他就有親生的念頭那他們是透過這樣的一個LightAd就被騙然後錢就一直出去好那我現在要講的是說像這樣的情況的層出不窮那受詐騙的人說一句實在話也非常的痛苦名不聊生幾乎大家都有遇過這樣的狀況那這邊有一個一指付的APP他在去年的9月曾經呢\n\n02:04.187 --> 02:18.501\n各自外洩那當時金管會說要查可是我們看到上個月依止付GooglePlay的評論還是有民眾被倒刷所以想要請教主委金管會的一個調查情形到底如何\n\n02:20.253 --> 02:20.974\n為什麼當時我們看到經濟日報、金管會說要釐清?\n\n02:40.950 --> 02:42.171\n因為這個是個資還有被倒刷,所以跟金管會一點關係都沒有嗎?\n\n03:01.835 --> 03:19.754\n不是,我不能這樣,我是說當時的分工是衛福部是這個醫務公司的主管之中。那你們有沒有主動去問衛福部調查結果如何?當時有做過分工了,那就是這個公司他本身他把他的這個有些資訊的東西外包給那個廠商。\n\n03:20.915 --> 03:22.797\n我們的詐騙金額屬於假投資的連續五年第一\n\n03:37.230 --> 04:01.977\n那金管會我們很關心到底怎麼樣來打詐那我們看到試詐的三部曲會拍影片會設網頁會做宣導但是呢我們可以看到詐騙的手法從過去幾十年前的金光黨到現在可以說是推陳出新日益狂妄那我們來看一下我們金管會做的這個影片我們就覺得很有趣因為\n\n04:02.717 --> 04:24.562\n我們看到三個月前的發布的這部影片他的觀看次數是1.5萬次那另外這個三年前的這個影片呢他的觀看次數是1.8萬次所以我們想要繼續的來追蹤啊因為會不會是因為去買廣告推播嗎會不會到1.5萬次然後就緩慢的增加\n\n04:25.522 --> 04:41.195\n到底是屬於自然吸引人來看還是用買的用廣告推播我們不得而知但是我們會繼續的來觀察可是我們看到這些影片他僅僅只有投放在單一的社群平台就是YouTube\n\n04:41.815 --> 04:55.458\n我們去查Facebook沒有上架金管會沒有那這個IG沒有開設帳號這個Trust也沒有開設帳號那我就想要問一下金管會不知道有沒有更好的做法\n\n04:57.028 --> 04:57.788\n主委我會這樣子問喔我是因為像前年我們有柬埔寨\n\n05:22.254 --> 05:43.146\n結果呢在一個月之內好多好多人來跟我澄清說他們去柬埔寨回不來結果呢我請外交部來外交部呢說哎呀這個其實早在去年前年就有發生他們說他們有做宣導我說宣導給我看就是類似這樣的東西沒有人知道啊\n\n05:43.686 --> 05:56.360\n沒有人知道我的意思是說我們既然所有的部會要一起來投入打仗我們可能要去想一想哪裡做得不好如何精進要有策進作為這樣可以嗎可以我想\n\n05:58.803 --> 06:21.879\n我想金管會這邊其實有在做公佈名單可是我們看一下金管會的這個防詐專區我們看到他公佈的名單是散落在四個檔案夾然後要下載才能夠一一檢視那我相信主委您應該也不認同這種做法提供名冊自己查太辛苦而且有六個單位六個網頁\n\n06:42.887 --> 06:55.416\n有兩萬多筆的LINEID然後要民眾大海撈針啊我就也想要問一下我們警政署齁如果我隨便講一個AY89023這個ID齁您有沒有辦法馬上查出來?沒有警政署的嗎?\n\n07:04.485 --> 07:20.721\n那個直接可以直接按下去直接可以縮形確定嗎是好那我們來看一下喔165這個Line8帳號您說按下去嘛那我再來查一個KKYA8他是寫上無通報記錄喔可是我剛剛講的那個2萬筆165的網頁卻有這個詐騙帳號喔兩個是對不起來的喔\n\n07:27.728 --> 07:45.600\n要不要回去再重新檢視一下那我其實要講的是說可不可以請警政署、數發部、金管會你們有沒有可能合作來設立一個網站然後供民眾一站式的查詢做這件事很困難嗎有沒有很困難數發部可以嗎\n\n07:53.220 --> 08:12.772\n公務員報告技術上都沒有問題我們可以來協助但是資料源就要看各部會的法權線能不能提供那是不是至少一個月內給我這樣的一個報告你們至少要研議我沒問題一個月那再請教一下警政署請問如果錢包遺失了要先報警好還是先掛屍好\n\n08:14.790 --> 08:15.871\n在我們的發卡機構有一個信用卡定型化的契約範本第17條它上面是這樣說啦\n\n08:42.635 --> 09:10.454\n應盡速以電話或其他方式通知發卡機構掛屍手續但如發卡機構認為有必要的時候應於受理掛屍手續日期10日內通知持卡人要求於受通知日期3日內向當地警察機關報案或以書面補行通知發卡機構那個主委您覺得這樣的一個要點您覺得好不好\n\n09:12.261 --> 09:31.230\n這應該是一般的通例本來就是應該先去跟法卡機構通知那必要的時候可能要向警察機關實際上是這樣的啦民眾不是忍者啦分身罰術啦不會引分身之術那掛屍就是要跟倒刷搶時間啊\n\n09:33.274 --> 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