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00:02:28,446\n也就是說我們其實沒有辦法確保這些之前違反過相關法令的業主或者是單位他們在找實習生的時候其實孩子們是不知道他曾經有犯過這個相關的法規那我們這邊是不是可以快速跟勞動部討論一下有沒有什麼機制你們可以把這個資料倒回去給教育部或是因為教育部目前如果我要確保我的學生去的單位他沒有這個所謂的不適應教育人員我們可以讓學校端我一般個人還不能查\n\n7\n00:02:31,667 --> 00:02:54,576\n是學校端他必須要去教育部的一個系統就是不適任教育人員可是我並不知道他即將去的這個場域教育部好像有一個系統沒有就是教育部那個叫做不適任教育人員系統所以他是針對一個一個一個的人員如果他有性騷或者是其他的事情他被指認為不適任老師而且一般人不能查部長事業單位的沒有一般人不能查\n\n8\n00:02:55,316 --> 00:02:59,219\n只有學校可以查可是我們現在想既然勞動部你們已經有這個系統而且一般人可以查我們可不可以請你們協助教育部可以可以這個部分委員這個部分我請那個業務單位跟教育部這邊對一下\n\n9\n00:03:11,548 --> 00:03:18,531\n我覺得這個我們應該要去把它建制啦該有所為而沒有問題那個是不適任人員喔對只有職教育端的人可以查那對實習生的保障又不足啦對那我猜啦可能教育部會說那我們是不是就請這些實習單位的老師們可以上你們勞動部的網站上來查可是說實話部長你也知道老師目前在學校日理萬機\n\n10\n00:03:37,558 --> 00:03:46,401\n應該是讓學生本人實習生本人可以查實習生本人他要意識到我要來查這件事情所以教育部從上到教育部到地方教育局處再到各個實習學校大家都要意識到說原來我要實習前我去查\n\n11\n00:03:52,863 --> 00:04:22,343\n這樣子比較好我覺得怪怪的應該是勞動部跟教育部這邊怎麼樣建一個系統或是一個平台或者是你們主動積極去跟教育部建立一個討論的機制例如說A校過往都習慣去Aplus地方實習那Aplus單位呢這個實習單位曾經觸犯過相關的法規被登錄到這個系統來你們有沒有一個告知的平台把這個資訊去告訴教育部說拜託以後這個單位稍微注意一下實習生去這邊稍微注意一下有沒有這個機制目前是沒有的啦\n\n12\n00:04:22,810 --> 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01:35.742\n主管在這邊你好像還沒有通報的還沒有完成我跟部長您確認一下好來沒關係那部長你的幕僚幫您說明一下剛上路通報系統剛上路那這個部分的話我們建制完畢那這個是處罰系統對處罰系統部分的話顧主的通報義務應通報而未通報的那個處罰目前因為3月8號才剛開始所以後面如果有違法的那個事件的話那地方政府採取以後就會通報進來\n\n01:36.702 --> 01:50.090\n對沒錯就是您剛講這個部分可是我們發現如果我是實習生我是實習生本人或者是我是實習生在學校指導老師我其實並不知道我的孩子我的學生或是我實習生本人即將要去實習的那個場域有沒有違反相關您剛說這個法律的問題於是呢我們就跟你們勞動部事先先請教過了確實目前這個系統他沒有辦法把資料再倒回去給教育部或者是各項教育單位\n\n02:04.099 --> 02:28.446\n也就是說我們其實沒有辦法確保這些之前違反過相關法令的業主或者是單位他們在找實習生的時候其實孩子們是不知道他曾經有犯過這個相關的法規那我們這邊是不是可以快速跟勞動部討論一下有沒有什麼機制你們可以把這個資料倒回去給教育部或是因為教育部目前如果我要確保我的學生去的單位他沒有這個所謂的不適應教育人員我們可以讓學校端我一般個人還不能查\n\n02:31.667 --> 02:54.576\n是學校端他必須要去教育部的一個系統就是不適任教育人員可是我並不知道他即將去的這個場域教育部好像有一個系統沒有就是教育部那個叫做不適任教育人員系統所以他是針對一個一個一個的人員如果他有性騷或者是其他的事情他被指認為不適任老師而且一般人不能查部長事業單位的沒有一般人不能查\n\n02:55.316 --> 02:59.219\n只有學校可以查可是我們現在想既然勞動部你們已經有這個系統而且一般人可以查我們可不可以請你們協助教育部可以可以這個部分委員這個部分我請那個業務單位跟教育部這邊對一下\n\n03:11.548 --> 03:18.531\n我覺得這個我們應該要去把它建制啦該有所為而沒有問題那個是不適任人員喔對只有職教育端的人可以查那對實習生的保障又不足啦對那我猜啦可能教育部會說那我們是不是就請這些實習單位的老師們可以上你們勞動部的網站上來查可是說實話部長你也知道老師目前在學校日理萬機\n\n03:37.558 --> 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