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00:00:50,541\n主詐的困難到底在哪裡?所以我請相關單位、橫向的單位都上來。政府組成了這個國家隊,但是我們看到數字反而在近5年當中2019年發生的這個數字23,054件。\n\n4\n00:00:57,108 --> 00:01:16,650\n二零二三就暴增到將近三萬八千件,財損從二零一九年的四十二億多、四十三億增加到二零二三年,顯性的是將近八十九億。那這麼嚴重的數字呢,連三年也就是投資詐騙,是嗎?\n\n5\n00:01:18,852 --> 00:01:19,292\n請教主委。\n\n6\n00:01:44,622 --> 00:02:13,228\n我想因為民眾都有一種理財投資獲利的期待吧那當然這不怪我們也我沒有說貪我只是說我沒有說貪喔還好你說沒有我說民眾都希望有理財投資的期待嘛那這怎麼辦那我們的數字在座各位數字一直增加那我們國家也成立了國家打詐隊來越打越大那怎麼辦\n\n7\n00:02:14,878 --> 00:02:42,911\n人的管理的力道也越來越強化,各位委員報告。管理的力道越來越強大,請說明一下好嗎?有啊,如果您看我們今天報告,我們去年6月修《投信投估法》,那增加70條之一,那麼對於這個在相關平台上有這個屬於不實的投資廣告,會要求它下架。那今年年初開始,用實名制的方式去規制。\n\n8\n00:02:44,131 --> 00:03:05,437\n實名制這是今晚會議的說法來再請教我們這個國家傳播李副主委那我們這邊通傳會這邊會跟電信業者合作在電信詐欺方面不論是電信的簡訊、語音或者是大家在講的黑媒卡的境外國際漫遊這個我們\n\n9\n00:03:07,518 --> 00:03:21,551\n會跟所有的電信業者合作也會跟法務部你認為目前的成效呢?我想說在國際我們都叫家長的家裡的長輩不熟悉的電話都不敢接現在是這樣子自保欸這怎麼辦?\n\n10\n00:03:22,452 --> 00:03:24,654\n我們現在連很多的長輩我們到各地都告訴他們不熟悉的地方請千萬不要聽\n\n11\n00:03:51,300 --> 00:04:04,861\n接下來是這樣自保欸所以這不是一個民主政府應該讓人民這麼做的啊是政府要保護人民的而不是人民自己保護自己啊對不對趕快加油接下來我也想聽聽法務部\n\n12\n00:04:07,314 --> 00:04:09,655\n警察跑著鑰匙找到了但是都沒有啊\n\n13\n00:04:35,481 --> 00:04:36,141\n那請問警政署,來,防務署\n\n14\n00:04:55,919 --> 00:04:58,521\n您很厲害,很厲害,很厲害,很厲害,很厲害,很厲害,很厲害,很厲害,\n\n15\n00:05:14,656 --> 00:05:33,789\n為什麼這麼複雜?就因為它已經從實體的犯罪走到世衛犯罪。那實體犯罪比如講殺人強盜、魯文勒死銀行強案甚至各類的強盜強案我們都很快速來偵破可是因為世衛時代來臨這詐欺案件就是標準的世衛犯罪它利用電信、網路、金融來傳遞犯罪來洗錢\n\n16\n00:05:35,089 --> 00:05:56,247\n所以你死不上利的意思嗎?所以你認為你們死不上利的意思嗎?所以我們現在行政院已經積極的要成立打詐專法就各面向來說沿途管理以上報告沿途管理來數位部你很重要現在連AI這個太恐怖了\n\n17\n00:05:57,575 --> 00:06:20,370\n對,跟委員報告,我們大概,第一個是我們針對我們自己主管的三個產業,包括第三方支付,包括電商,包括遊戲。這三個產業我們在報告裡面都有說明我們的這個處理詐騙的部分,那成績大概都在寫在報告裡面。那第二部分我們會開發一些所謂的信任科技的工具,也就是說透過科技來提高大家對這個信任的...就有得了民眾嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:22,352 --> 00:06:47,732\n剛剛警政署已經這麼說那你們現在還要再開發可以等於是犯罪的技巧技術你們是在後面追嗎?可以這麼解釋嗎?這個是兩個不一樣的概念跟委員報告比如說剛剛幾位委員都有垂詢請我們盡快推動的111簡訊我們現在就已經有74個單位已經快2000萬則這個只要是政府就剛剛委員講的如果長輩看到簡訊看到111就確定是政府的\n\n19\n00:06:48,851 --> 00:06:50,734\n現場有多少人知道有這個知道的請舉手有一個舉半手\n\n20\n00:07:08,479 --> 00:07:26,567\n您要不要宣傳?我們會跟各部一起宣傳,這個我們宣傳我們會加強。為什麼請大家都一起上來?因為既然政府成立了國家隊,打詐國家隊,但是人民所得到的是更嚴肅的一個議題,而且更嚴重。我們輔助每天都接到這個被詐騙的電話,被詐騙的事件。\n\n21\n00:07:31,628 --> 00:07:59,153\n我們看到我們的政府竟然成立了國家隊為什麼還會這麼嚴重剛剛在座各位都是軍兵請你們將你們預計要怎麼做在執行中有什麼優缺點請你詳實的書面資料給本席好不好我們一起繼續來努力因為我覺得這個讓人民太恐慌了這個生活所以我們冒名名人這個詐騙猖獗政府\n\n22\n00:08:00,100 --> 00:08:06,863\n怎麼辦?所有的名人全部這個照片都被用怎麼辦?從根源去管控嘛對他就是從源頭沒錯不然每一個跳出來他就來解釋\n\n23\n00:08:24,830 --> 00:08:52,077\n已經詐騙光了啊,怎麼解釋?解釋也來不及了啊,對不對?從根源來管控才能夠真正的救民眾所以我之前我記得曾經跟這個這個金管會主委談過你們不斷的去宣導然後去去去這個不是只有拍片啊去宣導已經來不及了因為詐騙的技巧比你們還先進你現在還有什麼保守?\n\n24\n00:08:53,069 --> 00:09:16,855\n其實我們去年走368個鄉鎮面對面的溝通也有做過。再去想想什麼方法好不好。所以最後一個議題就是打詐專法。就像剛剛警政署法務部也說了,那是不是要嚴格,我相信本席也提案,我們希望到時候討論的時候一定要支持好不好。至少有惡主作用嘛。\n\n25\n00:09:17,671 --> 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