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app的建置費用及後續維護的費用，你們各自編列210萬及1,494萬，部長你有沒有測試過文化幣的 app？"],["史部長哲：有啊，當然我們一直都有測試。"],["萬委員美玲：你覺得好用嗎？"],["史部長哲：我不得不說相對於政府過去開發的類似的 app 來講，它應該算是一個蠻好用的app。"],["萬委員美玲：所以您個人覺得好用，但是網路上的評價只有2.4顆星，大家用了以後都覺得有一些問題，包括它無故地閃退、換手機以後不能登入、常常出現網路錯誤等等，部長，我們應該要接地氣一點，你如果覺得好用，請你去看一看實際的狀況是什麼，然後再把它加以改進好不好？"],["史部長哲：委員，您剛剛講的換手機不能用，其實這就是一個防堵弊端的方法。"],["萬委員美玲：沒關係，部長你回去思考一下這個問題啦！","再來，昨天謝謝部長到桃園來看桃園市兒童美術館，以及正在興建中的桃園市立美術館，大家都滿懷期待，因為副院長過來，然後部長也下來，但是部長你知道嗎？桃園市立美術館興建工程原本編列的30.7億現在已經不夠了，要增加預算這件事您知道嗎？"],["史部長哲：我昨天才知道。"],["萬委員美玲：要增加多少？"],["史部長哲：我昨天聽副市長說好像要增加快20億。"],["萬委員美玲：其實大概要增加20億6,000萬左右，為什麼會有這樣的落差？20億的差額其實很大，那是因為除了現在缺工缺料、原物料上漲之外，在109年桃園市政府當時整個工程發包不順利，所以它進行兩次減項才讓這個工程發包出去，減項的項目包括什麼？包括機電、空調、消防、燈控這些都在減項的項目內，我覺得非常匪夷所思！如果現在桃園市政府沒有把這些減項追回的話，到時候就算蓋好以後，你看上述那些項目多麼重要，恐怕也拿不到使照，所以這非常重要。昨天你跟副院長到了，本來本席滿懷希望，但是你走了以後我真的覺得非常失望！昨天我們希望這20億中央能夠給我們更多的支持，因為我們知道過去的30.7億，35%也是中央幫忙的，我們希望現在多增加的這將近21億，是不是也能夠由文化部、由中央來幫忙？也就是這21億一樣能夠由中央來幫助我們補貼35%，但是昨天副院長的意思是要讓我們用統籌分配款來做。","部長，我在這邊跟您提一下，我們可以看到桃園市的統籌分配款大概只有303億，在六都可以算是非常末端了，統籌分配款對桃園來說已經是不公平了，鄭副院長也擔任過桃園市長，其實他過去也有提過這樣的不公平，所以現在要我們用桃園市的統籌分配款來做，其實是不太可能的，所以本席在這邊為桃園市的市立美術館請命。尤其部長昨天再三地肯定，不管是對於我們的兒童美術館，你說它是獨立館舍裡面規模最大的兒童美術館，而在興建中的桃園市立美術館，也是臺灣目前最大連續展間的美術館，我們希望它在2026年能夠如期落成開幕，但現在21億是一個很大的缺口，所以部長能不能允諾我們來幫忙爭取在這21億當中，一樣比照之前的工程款，中央可以補助我們35%？"],["史部長哲：謝謝委員，首先當然要恭喜桃園，過幾天兒童館就要開幕了，我想這是大家共同……"],["萬委員美玲：4月3號。"],["史部長哲：對，因為它過去就是中央補助十四億多，事實上我們都有相關的督導會報在進行。我也坦白跟委員講，我是到昨天才知道有經費的缺額，在過去的工程督導會報當中，這個資訊一直不曾出現，所以也請原諒我沒辦法馬上回應你有關於經費缺口的問題。第三個是有關於統籌分配稅款的問題，我想鄭副院長的意思是指今年度所新增的統籌分配稅款，因為今年的稅收比較好，可以優先來處理，他並沒有說不處理。再來，因為我們才剛得到這個訊息，所以我也承諾我願意拿回來研究一下，看看怎麼來處理。但是我也坦承跟委員報告，委員也審過我們的預算，我們今年的預算書確實是沒有在館舍的資本門有所編列，我想這個我們大家共同再來研究看看怎麼來處理。"],["萬委員美玲：好，謝謝部長這樣的回應，願意幫我們積極爭取並就這個案子進行研究，我們也希望後續能夠找個時間來跟部長聊這個問題。","最後我想再跟主席要一分鐘的時間，因為這非常重要，今天我看到文化部整篇的報告隻字未提媒體議價法，是不是文化部在今年的業務裡面完全沒有準備這件事？我們可以看到數位廣告市場遭到大型跨國平臺的壟斷，所以我們的新聞媒體生存是非常困難的。行政院成立了共榮小組，文化部也在裡面，其實現在世界上很多國家都已經完成修法，所以我有一個問題想請教您，目前針對媒體議價專法有三個模式：第一個是強制議價，第二個是成立特別基金，第三個是著作鄰接權。請問一下，我們有沒有開過會討論會往哪一個方向走？在520之前，行政院的版本會提出來嗎？"],["史部長哲：跟委員報告，關於整個媒體議價的議題，文化部都一直參與其中，包括跟媒體多次的會談都是由數發部跟文化部兩位次長共同來主持，所以文化部從來沒有缺席，同時我們跟雜誌、媒體公會長期以來也有相關的研究案。在此也跟委員坦承報告，這個在世界上目前是正在進行式當中，有強制議價、也有強制議價不成功，歐洲也才發生用著作鄰接權的裁罰，所以我們在這裡確實沒有辦法馬上回答，而且目前這也不是我的主管權責，但是我們大家都願意共同來面對。"],["萬委員美玲：好，因為現在媒體界主要的公協會基本上還是都希望用強制議價的模式，我們也希望既然文化部是共榮小組中的一員，您剛剛也提到了，也是非常重要的參與部會，我們希望能夠重視這件事情、加快腳步，同時能夠完成媒體界公協會期待用強制議價的模式來做，希望未來努力的方向能夠朝這幾點，可以嗎？"],["史部長哲：我們共同來研究跟努力，至於相關最後的定案，恐怕不是我一個文化部能夠確定的。"],["萬委員美玲：好，要多多加油，謝謝。"],["史部長哲：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝萬美玲委員。","我們再來請柯志恩召委質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":322,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-22-5","speakers":["林宜瑾","陳秀寳","洪孟楷","萬美玲","柯志恩","羅廷瑋","葉元之","葛如鈞","吳沛憶","陳培瑜","張雅琳","郭昱晴","吳春城","林倩綺","范雲","吳思瑤","鄭天財Sra 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00:00:20,774\n委員好部長早我們看到112年我們的文化禮金整個總消費的金額是8億3403萬那其中在六都那就是6億9083萬大概佔比82%我們再看到今年到現在為止113年那我們總計消費5億1241萬而六都呢依然佔了4億3205萬\n\n3\n00:00:40,009 --> 00:00:42,231\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告業務解凍案。\n\n4\n00:01:01,565 --> 00:01:21,945\n市長,您剛才提到這個數字是指說它最終消費的地點可是以每個縣市的使用金額跟使用率來講事實上是相當其一並沒有因為六都跟非六都它的使用率不同只是說畢竟都會區能夠提供的藝文消費點比較多所以它可能會跨縣市的\n\n5\n00:01:22,125 --> 00:01:36,962\n二方面的分析一是希望讓消費者養成文化消費的習慣二是希望提振或振興相關文化的產業所以這分兩個部分本席認為說我們大部分的人都有去使用這件事是非常好的但怎麼樣讓城鄉能夠在文化產業的發展上面\n\n6\n00:01:41,127 --> 00:01:42,227\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告。\n\n7\n00:02:06,898 --> 00:02:21,000\n另外,我們也看到有一些部分的店家去冒用藝文消費點的收款碼去接受民眾的換現這件事情甚至於社群平台上面也有很多的轉售,我們都可以看得到\n\n8\n00:02:21,741 --> 00:02:22,582\n關於這樣的一個案件查獲的情況是如何?\n\n9\n00:02:37,998 --> 00:02:38,158\n主席\n\n10\n00:02:54,019 --> 00:02:56,522\n二十九家移送、財貨18家轉售等等我相信這是整個文化壁之亂裡面的一小角\n\n11\n00:03:09,396 --> 00:03:32,563\n為什麼?你看昨天晚上到今天本席本人以及我們辦公室的助理隨便只要在臉書上搜尋文化幣買賣馬上就跳出來了對不對有各種不一樣的條件可以去收購你的文化幣有各種不一樣的方式面交的也好這個匯款的也好很多的方式讓你既便利又快速然後卻達到這樣子違法的交易所以我想\n\n12\n00:03:33,063 --> 00:03:33,443\n二、處理或審查新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n13\n00:03:55,703 --> 00:04:13,495\n你是不是應該要去想一想就是說我們有什麼方式可以在前端的時候我們可以來遏止這樣的一個現象所以看起來文化部不是不知道這樣的一個亂象那到底是沒有人力可以去查還是沒有能力可以去查還是你覺得其實這個無法可查\n\n14\n00:04:14,651 --> 00:04:28,344\n我想並不會是你講的狀況啦我們事實上不但有查而且我們一直經濟我們的系統事實上目前為止但是部長我想不然您現在我給你一個時間你自己Google你自己去那個臉書你只要打文化幣買賣看看現在跳出來是什麼馬上就可以賣啦是啦\n\n15\n00:04:34,289 --> 00:05:00,859\n那也就是說打開就可以看得到那這叫做查緝有成果嗎?問委員報告啦在網路上有宣稱可以買賣文化部表示他賣得掉啦也不會表示他買得到我們部長我們不要這樣去想說啊要許賣不掉一些他出來開玩笑不是這樣啦所以我想我們提出這個就是希望能夠正視這樣的一個問題喔就是說您有沒有很積極的去平台要求像這樣的一個社團去下架我們有沒有作為我先講不講成果成效您有沒有作為\n\n16\n00:05:01,679 --> 00:05:24,050\n當然有作為我一直在講說我們的系統一直不斷的精進我們今天剛剛所移送的數字等等以及網路的監控這都是我們的作為事實上我想從預算到文化幣它確實是一個從消費端轉移到使用端的過程在預算的階段其實是以振興為主鼓勵消費為主所以它的傾向上的寬容度是不一樣的\n\n17\n00:05:24,290 --> 00:05:45,394\n市長,我想我們回到主題來了就是說今天沒有人說你毫無作為今天我們的說法是說當發生了這樣的一個狀況這個亂象但我們現在是沒有辦法有效遏止這是兩件事那我們要面對這樣的問題才知道說怎麼能夠把這個事情做得更好所以本期是希望說您會後也能去想一想\n\n18\n00:05:45,754 --> 00:05:45,814\n李慧琼議員\n\n19\n00:06:01,798 --> 00:06:13,564\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、邀請文化部部長史哲列席報告業務：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處\n\n20\n00:06:18,246 --> 00:06:36,073\n同意,我想我並沒有說不罰年輕人我只是說因為他是年輕人所以對他的裁罰對,我們不會要用就是說什麼刑罰什麼要去重罰他但是我們覺得要導正這個現象另外文化幣的這個APP的建置的費用跟後續的維護的費用你總共編了各210萬跟1494萬那部長你有沒有測數過這個文化幣的APP\n\n21\n00:06:44,246 --> 00:06:57,598\n有啊,當然我們一直都有在測試你覺得好用嗎我不得不說相對於政府過去開發的類似的APP來講它應該算是一個算是一個蠻好用的APP所以您個人覺得好好用但是網路上的評價只有2.4顆星\n\n22\n00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:01,141\n二月27日及28日二天一次會獲議事處來函．則不予處理或審查\n\n23\n00:07:22,287 --> 00:07:49,236\n昨天謝謝部長到桃園來看本席我們桃園市兒童美術館還有正在興建中的桃園市立美術館那昨天來看我想我們大家滿懷期待因為副院長過來然後部長也下來那但是部長您知道嗎現在整個桃園市立美術館的興建工程要從原本的30.7億現在是不夠了要增加預算這件事您知道嗎要增加多少\n\n24\n00:07:50,136 --> 00:08:18,326\n我昨天聽副市長講說好像要增加快20億要增加20億好他大概增加20億6千萬左右那為什麼會有這樣一個落差其實為什麼會有一個20億這個差其實很大那是因為除了我們現在原物料缺工缺料物料上漲之外但是在109年桃園市政府當時他整個工程因為發包不順利所以他進行兩次的檢向才讓這個工程發包出去而且他檢向的項目包括什麼包括機電空調消防燈控\n\n25\n00:08:19,426 --> 00:08:19,707\n昨天您跟副院長到\n\n26\n00:08:35,808 --> 00:08:41,453\n其實本來滿懷希望但是您走了以後我真的覺得非常失望因為昨天這20億我們希望中央能夠給我們更多的支持因為我們知道過去的30.7億35%也是中央這邊來幫忙的那我們希望現在能夠多增加這將近20億是不是也能夠\n\n27\n00:08:54,025 --> 00:09:10,956\n文化部這個地方來幫忙中央這邊來幫忙我們這21億一樣能夠中央來幫助我們補貼35%但是昨天副院長的意思是說要讓我們用統籌分配款來做那我想部長我在這邊我也跟您提一下我想統籌分配款我們來看一下\n\n28\n00:09:13,617 --> 00:09:40,338\n桃園市統籌分配款大概只有303億在6度可以算已經算非常末了這統籌分配款對桃園來說已經是不公平了我想這副院長也擔任過我們的桃園市長他其實過去也有提過這樣的一個不公平所以現在要我們用桃園市的統籌分配款來做其實是不太可能的所以本席在這邊希望為我們桃園市的這個市立美術館來請命尤其部長昨天再三的肯定不管是對於我們兒童美術館\n\n29\n00:09:41,499 --> 00:09:42,940\n二十一億當中一樣跟比照我們之前的工程款中央可以補助我們35%\n\n30\n00:10:08,272 --> 00:10:08,292\n韓國瑜議員\n\n31\n00:10:26,246 --> 00:10:26,766\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束\n\n32\n00:10:49,924 --> 00:11:04,220\n第三個就是說因為我們才剛得到這個訊息所以我也承諾我願意拿回來研究一下看看怎麼來處理但是我也坦誠跟委員報告委員審過我們的預算我們今年的預算書確實是沒有在管社的資本門有所編列的我想這個我們大家共同再來研究看怎麼來處理\n\n33\n00:11:05,482 --> 00:11:25,902\n謝謝部長這樣的回應我想願意來幫我們積極爭取把這個案做研究我們也希望後續的時候找個時間跟部長來聊這個問題最後我想跟主席在一分鐘的時間因為非常重要今天我看到文化部整篇的報告隻字未提媒體溢價法是不是顯見文化部在今年業務裡面完全沒有準備這件事\n\n34\n00:11:27,103 --> 00:11:51,634\n我們可以看到數位廣告市場遭到大型跨國平台的壟斷所以其實我們新聞媒體是生存非常困難的行政院成立了一個共同小組文化部也在裡面現在世界很多的國家都已經完成了修法了所以我想一個問題請教您目前針對媒體溢價轉放有三個模式第一個強制溢價第二個成立特別基金第三個著作臨階權\n\n35\n00:11:53,596 --> 00:12:00,766\n請問一下我們有沒有開過去討論會往哪一個方向走然後520之前我們行政院的版本會提出來嗎?\n\n36\n00:12:02,302 --> 00:12:26,534\n跟委員報告整個媒體議價的議題文化部都一直參與其中包括跟媒體的多次會談都是由述發部跟文化部兩位次長共同來主持所以文化部其實從來並沒有缺席同時我想我們跟雜誌跟媒體公會事實上長期以來也有相關的研究案那也跟委員坦誠報告這個是在這個世界上目前是一個正在進行式當中有強制議價也有強制議價不成功\n\n37\n00:12:28,715 --> 00:12:32,577\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束\n\n38\n00:12:58,370 --> 00:12:59,071\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n460\t760\t臨委員諮詢。有請部長。有請部長。\n14008\t20774\t委員好 部長早我們看到112年我們的文化禮金整個總消費的金額是8億3403萬那其中在六都那就是6億9083萬大概佔比82%我們再看到今年到現在為止113年那我們總計消費5億1241萬而六都呢依然佔了4億3205萬\n40009\t42231\t二月27日及28日二天一次會議中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告業務解凍案。\n61565\t81945\t市長,您剛才提到這個數字是指說它最終消費的地點可是以每個縣市的使用金額跟使用率來講事實上是相當其一並沒有因為六都跟非六都它的使用率不同只是說畢竟都會區能夠提供的藝文消費點比較多所以它可能會跨縣市的\n82125\t96962\t二方面的分析一是希望讓消費者養成文化消費的習慣二是希望提振或振興相關文化的產業所以這分兩個部分本席認為說我們大部分的人都有去使用這件事是非常好的但怎麼樣讓城鄉能夠在文化產業的發展上面\n101127\t102227\t二月27日及28日二天一次會議中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告。\n126898\t141000\t另外,我們也看到有一些部分的店家去冒用藝文消費點的收款碼去接受民眾的換現這件事情甚至於社群平台上面也有很多的轉售,我們都可以看得到\n141741\t142582\t關於這樣的一個案件查獲的情況是如何?\n157998\t158158\t主席\n174019\t176522\t二十九家移送、財貨18家轉售等等我相信這是整個文化壁之亂裡面的一小角\n189396\t212563\t為什麼?你看昨天晚上到今天本席本人以及我們辦公室的助理隨便只要在臉書上搜尋文化幣買賣馬上就跳出來了對不對有各種不一樣的條件可以去收購你的文化幣有各種不一樣的方式面交的也好這個匯款的也好很多的方式讓你既便利又快速然後卻達到這樣子違法的交易所以我想\n213063\t213443\t二、處理或審查新聞新聞新聞新聞\n235703\t253495\t你是不是應該要去想一想就是說我們有什麼方式可以在前端的時候我們可以來遏止這樣的一個現象所以看起來文化部不是不知道這樣的一個亂象那到底是沒有人力可以去查還是沒有能力可以去查還是你覺得其實這個無法可查\n254651\t268344\t我想並不會是你講的狀況啦我們事實上不但有查而且我們一直經濟我們的系統事實上目前為止但是部長我想不然您現在我給你一個時間你自己Google你自己去那個臉書你只要打文化幣買賣看看現在跳出來是什麼馬上就可以賣啦是啦\n274289\t300859\t那也就是說打開就可以看得到那這叫做查緝有成果嗎?問委員報告啦在網路上有宣稱可以買賣文化部表示他賣得掉啦也不會表示他買得到我們部長我們不要這樣去想說啊要許賣不掉一些他出來開玩笑不是這樣啦所以我想我們提出這個就是希望能夠正視這樣的一個問題喔就是說您有沒有很積極的去平台要求像這樣的一個社團去下架我們有沒有作為我先講不講成果成效您有沒有作為\n301679\t324050\t當然有作為 我一直在講說我們的系統一直不斷的精進我們今天剛剛所移送的數字等等以及網路的監控這都是我們的作為事實上我想從預算到文化幣它確實是一個從消費端轉移到使用端的過程在預算的階段其實是以振興為主鼓勵消費為主所以它的傾向上的寬容度是不一樣的\n324290\t345394\t市長,我想我們回到主題來了就是說今天沒有人說你毫無作為今天我們的說法是說當發生了這樣的一個狀況這個亂象但我們現在是沒有辦法有效遏止這是兩件事那我們要面對這樣的問題才知道說怎麼能夠把這個事情做得更好所以本期是希望說您會後也能去想一想\n345754\t345814\t李慧琼議員\n361798\t373564\t二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：一、邀請文化部部長史哲列席報告業務 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處\n378246\t396073\t同意,我想我並沒有說不罰年輕人我只是說因為他是年輕人所以對他的裁罰對,我們不會要用就是說什麼刑罰什麼要去重罰他但是我們覺得要導正這個現象另外文化幣的這個APP的建置的費用跟後續的維護的費用你總共編了各210萬跟1494萬那部長你有沒有測數過這個文化幣的APP\n404246\t417598\t有啊,當然我們一直都有在測試你覺得好用嗎我不得不說相對於政府過去開發的類似的APP來講它應該算是一個算是一個蠻好用的APP所以您個人覺得好好用但是網路上的評價只有2.4顆星\n419920\t421141\t二月27日及28日二天一次會獲議事處來函．則不予處理或審查\n442287\t469236\t昨天謝謝部長到桃園來看本席我們桃園市兒童美術館還有正在興建中的桃園市立美術館那昨天來看我想我們大家滿懷期待因為副院長過來然後部長也下來那但是部長您知道嗎現在整個桃園市立美術館的興建工程要從原本的30.7億現在是不夠了要增加預算這件事您知道嗎要增加多少\n470136\t498326\t我昨天聽副市長講說好像要增加快20億要增加20億好他大概增加20億6千萬左右那為什麼會有這樣一個落差其實為什麼會有一個20億這個差其實很大那是因為除了我們現在原物料缺工缺料物料上漲之外但是在109年桃園市政府當時他整個工程因為發包不順利所以他進行兩次的檢向才讓這個工程發包出去而且他檢向的項目包括什麼包括機電空調消防燈控\n499426\t499707\t昨天您跟副院長到\n515808\t521453\t其實本來滿懷希望但是您走了以後我真的覺得非常失望因為昨天這20億我們希望中央能夠給我們更多的支持因為我們知道過去的30.7億35%也是中央這邊來幫忙的那我們希望現在能夠多增加這將近20億是不是也能夠\n534025\t550956\t文化部這個地方來幫忙中央這邊來幫忙我們這21億一樣能夠中央來幫助我們補貼35%但是昨天副院長的意思是說要讓我們用統籌分配款來做那我想部長我在這邊我也跟您提一下我想統籌分配款我們來看一下\n553617\t580338\t桃園市統籌分配款大概只有303億在6度可以算已經算非常末了這統籌分配款對桃園來說已經是不公平了我想這副院長也擔任過我們的桃園市長他其實過去也有提過這樣的一個不公平所以現在要我們用桃園市的統籌分配款來做其實是不太可能的所以本席在這邊希望為我們桃園市的這個市立美術館來請命尤其部長昨天再三的肯定不管是對於我們兒童美術館\n581499\t582940\t二十一億當中一樣跟比照我們之前的工程款中央可以補助我們35%\n608272\t608292\t韓國瑜議員\n626246\t626766\t二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束\n649924\t664220\t第三個就是說因為我們才剛得到這個訊息所以我也承諾我願意拿回來研究一下看看怎麼來處理但是我也坦誠跟委員報告委員審過我們的預算我們今年的預算書確實是沒有在管社的資本門有所編列的我想這個我們大家共同再來研究看怎麼來處理\n665482\t685902\t謝謝部長這樣的回應我想願意來幫我們積極爭取把這個案做研究我們也希望後續的時候找個時間跟部長來聊這個問題最後我想跟主席在一分鐘的時間因為非常重要今天我看到文化部整篇的報告隻字未提媒體溢價法是不是顯見文化部在今年業務裡面完全沒有準備這件事\n687103\t711634\t我們可以看到數位廣告市場遭到大型跨國平台的壟斷所以其實我們新聞媒體是生存非常困難的行政院成立了一個共同小組 文化部也在裡面現在世界很多的國家都已經完成了修法了所以我想一個問題請教您目前針對媒體溢價轉放有三個模式第一個 強制溢價第二個 成立特別基金第三個 著作臨階權\n713596\t720766\t請問一下我們有沒有開過去討論會往哪一個方向走然後520之前我們行政院的版本會提出來嗎?\n722302\t746534\t跟委員報告整個媒體議價的議題文化部都一直參與其中包括跟媒體的多次會談都是由述發部跟文化部兩位次長共同來主持所以文化部其實從來並沒有缺席同時我想我們跟雜誌跟媒體公會事實上長期以來也有相關的研究案那也跟委員坦誠報告這個是在這個世界上目前是一個正在進行式當中有強制議價也有強制議價不成功\n748715\t752577\t二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束\n778370\t779071\t二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束\n","txt":"臨委員諮詢。有請部長。有請部長。\n委員好 部長早我們看到112年我們的文化禮金整個總消費的金額是8億3403萬那其中在六都那就是6億9083萬大概佔比82%我們再看到今年到現在為止113年那我們總計消費5億1241萬而六都呢依然佔了4億3205萬\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告業務解凍案。\n市長,您剛才提到這個數字是指說它最終消費的地點可是以每個縣市的使用金額跟使用率來講事實上是相當其一並沒有因為六都跟非六都它的使用率不同只是說畢竟都會區能夠提供的藝文消費點比較多所以它可能會跨縣市的\n二方面的分析一是希望讓消費者養成文化消費的習慣二是希望提振或振興相關文化的產業所以這分兩個部分本席認為說我們大部分的人都有去使用這件事是非常好的但怎麼樣讓城鄉能夠在文化產業的發展上面\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告。\n另外,我們也看到有一些部分的店家去冒用藝文消費點的收款碼去接受民眾的換現這件事情甚至於社群平台上面也有很多的轉售,我們都可以看得到\n關於這樣的一個案件查獲的情況是如何?\n主席\n二十九家移送、財貨18家轉售等等我相信這是整個文化壁之亂裡面的一小角\n為什麼?你看昨天晚上到今天本席本人以及我們辦公室的助理隨便只要在臉書上搜尋文化幣買賣馬上就跳出來了對不對有各種不一樣的條件可以去收購你的文化幣有各種不一樣的方式面交的也好這個匯款的也好很多的方式讓你既便利又快速然後卻達到這樣子違法的交易所以我想\n二、處理或審查新聞新聞新聞新聞\n你是不是應該要去想一想就是說我們有什麼方式可以在前端的時候我們可以來遏止這樣的一個現象所以看起來文化部不是不知道這樣的一個亂象那到底是沒有人力可以去查還是沒有能力可以去查還是你覺得其實這個無法可查\n我想並不會是你講的狀況啦我們事實上不但有查而且我們一直經濟我們的系統事實上目前為止但是部長我想不然您現在我給你一個時間你自己Google你自己去那個臉書你只要打文化幣買賣看看現在跳出來是什麼馬上就可以賣啦是啦\n那也就是說打開就可以看得到那這叫做查緝有成果嗎?問委員報告啦在網路上有宣稱可以買賣文化部表示他賣得掉啦也不會表示他買得到我們部長我們不要這樣去想說啊要許賣不掉一些他出來開玩笑不是這樣啦所以我想我們提出這個就是希望能夠正視這樣的一個問題喔就是說您有沒有很積極的去平台要求像這樣的一個社團去下架我們有沒有作為我先講不講成果成效您有沒有作為\n當然有作為 我一直在講說我們的系統一直不斷的精進我們今天剛剛所移送的數字等等以及網路的監控這都是我們的作為事實上我想從預算到文化幣它確實是一個從消費端轉移到使用端的過程在預算的階段其實是以振興為主鼓勵消費為主所以它的傾向上的寬容度是不一樣的\n市長,我想我們回到主題來了就是說今天沒有人說你毫無作為今天我們的說法是說當發生了這樣的一個狀況這個亂象但我們現在是沒有辦法有效遏止這是兩件事那我們要面對這樣的問題才知道說怎麼能夠把這個事情做得更好所以本期是希望說您會後也能去想一想\n李慧琼議員\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：一、邀請文化部部長史哲列席報告業務 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：二、處\n同意,我想我並沒有說不罰年輕人我只是說因為他是年輕人所以對他的裁罰對,我們不會要用就是說什麼刑罰什麼要去重罰他但是我們覺得要導正這個現象另外文化幣的這個APP的建置的費用跟後續的維護的費用你總共編了各210萬跟1494萬那部長你有沒有測數過這個文化幣的APP\n有啊,當然我們一直都有在測試你覺得好用嗎我不得不說相對於政府過去開發的類似的APP來講它應該算是一個算是一個蠻好用的APP所以您個人覺得好好用但是網路上的評價只有2.4顆星\n二月27日及28日二天一次會獲議事處來函．則不予處理或審查\n昨天謝謝部長到桃園來看本席我們桃園市兒童美術館還有正在興建中的桃園市立美術館那昨天來看我想我們大家滿懷期待因為副院長過來然後部長也下來那但是部長您知道嗎現在整個桃園市立美術館的興建工程要從原本的30.7億現在是不夠了要增加預算這件事您知道嗎要增加多少\n我昨天聽副市長講說好像要增加快20億要增加20億好他大概增加20億6千萬左右那為什麼會有這樣一個落差其實為什麼會有一個20億這個差其實很大那是因為除了我們現在原物料缺工缺料物料上漲之外但是在109年桃園市政府當時他整個工程因為發包不順利所以他進行兩次的檢向才讓這個工程發包出去而且他檢向的項目包括什麼包括機電空調消防燈控\n昨天您跟副院長到\n其實本來滿懷希望但是您走了以後我真的覺得非常失望因為昨天這20億我們希望中央能夠給我們更多的支持因為我們知道過去的30.7億35%也是中央這邊來幫忙的那我們希望現在能夠多增加這將近20億是不是也能夠\n文化部這個地方來幫忙中央這邊來幫忙我們這21億一樣能夠中央來幫助我們補貼35%但是昨天副院長的意思是說要讓我們用統籌分配款來做那我想部長我在這邊我也跟您提一下我想統籌分配款我們來看一下\n桃園市統籌分配款大概只有303億在6度可以算已經算非常末了這統籌分配款對桃園來說已經是不公平了我想這副院長也擔任過我們的桃園市長他其實過去也有提過這樣的一個不公平所以現在要我們用桃園市的統籌分配款來做其實是不太可能的所以本席在這邊希望為我們桃園市的這個市立美術館來請命尤其部長昨天再三的肯定不管是對於我們兒童美術館\n二十一億當中一樣跟比照我們之前的工程款中央可以補助我們35%\n韓國瑜議員\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束\n第三個就是說因為我們才剛得到這個訊息所以我也承諾我願意拿回來研究一下看看怎麼來處理但是我也坦誠跟委員報告委員審過我們的預算我們今年的預算書確實是沒有在管社的資本門有所編列的我想這個我們大家共同再來研究看怎麼來處理\n謝謝部長這樣的回應我想願意來幫我們積極爭取把這個案做研究我們也希望後續的時候找個時間跟部長來聊這個問題最後我想跟主席在一分鐘的時間因為非常重要今天我看到文化部整篇的報告隻字未提媒體溢價法是不是顯見文化部在今年業務裡面完全沒有準備這件事\n我們可以看到數位廣告市場遭到大型跨國平台的壟斷所以其實我們新聞媒體是生存非常困難的行政院成立了一個共同小組 文化部也在裡面現在世界很多的國家都已經完成了修法了所以我想一個問題請教您目前針對媒體溢價轉放有三個模式第一個 強制溢價第二個 成立特別基金第三個 著作臨階權\n請問一下我們有沒有開過去討論會往哪一個方向走然後520之前我們行政院的版本會提出來嗎?\n跟委員報告整個媒體議價的議題文化部都一直參與其中包括跟媒體的多次會談都是由述發部跟文化部兩位次長共同來主持所以文化部其實從來並沒有缺席同時我想我們跟雜誌跟媒體公會事實上長期以來也有相關的研究案那也跟委員坦誠報告這個是在這個世界上目前是一個正在進行式當中有強制議價也有強制議價不成功\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.460 --> 00:00.760\n臨委員諮詢。有請部長。有請部長。\n\n00:14.008 --> 00:20.774\n委員好部長早我們看到112年我們的文化禮金整個總消費的金額是8億3403萬那其中在六都那就是6億9083萬大概佔比82%我們再看到今年到現在為止113年那我們總計消費5億1241萬而六都呢依然佔了4億3205萬\n\n00:40.009 --> 00:42.231\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告業務解凍案。\n\n01:01.565 --> 01:21.945\n市長,您剛才提到這個數字是指說它最終消費的地點可是以每個縣市的使用金額跟使用率來講事實上是相當其一並沒有因為六都跟非六都它的使用率不同只是說畢竟都會區能夠提供的藝文消費點比較多所以它可能會跨縣市的\n\n01:22.125 --> 01:36.962\n二方面的分析一是希望讓消費者養成文化消費的習慣二是希望提振或振興相關文化的產業所以這分兩個部分本席認為說我們大部分的人都有去使用這件事是非常好的但怎麼樣讓城鄉能夠在文化產業的發展上面\n\n01:41.127 --> 01:42.227\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告。\n\n02:06.898 --> 02:21.000\n另外,我們也看到有一些部分的店家去冒用藝文消費點的收款碼去接受民眾的換現這件事情甚至於社群平台上面也有很多的轉售,我們都可以看得到\n\n02:21.741 --> 02:22.582\n關於這樣的一個案件查獲的情況是如何?\n\n02:37.998 --> 02:38.158\n主席\n\n02:54.019 --> 02:56.522\n二十九家移送、財貨18家轉售等等我相信這是整個文化壁之亂裡面的一小角\n\n03:09.396 --> 03:32.563\n為什麼?你看昨天晚上到今天本席本人以及我們辦公室的助理隨便只要在臉書上搜尋文化幣買賣馬上就跳出來了對不對有各種不一樣的條件可以去收購你的文化幣有各種不一樣的方式面交的也好這個匯款的也好很多的方式讓你既便利又快速然後卻達到這樣子違法的交易所以我想\n\n03:33.063 --> 03:33.443\n二、處理或審查新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n03:55.703 --> 04:13.495\n你是不是應該要去想一想就是說我們有什麼方式可以在前端的時候我們可以來遏止這樣的一個現象所以看起來文化部不是不知道這樣的一個亂象那到底是沒有人力可以去查還是沒有能力可以去查還是你覺得其實這個無法可查\n\n04:14.651 --> 04:28.344\n我想並不會是你講的狀況啦我們事實上不但有查而且我們一直經濟我們的系統事實上目前為止但是部長我想不然您現在我給你一個時間你自己Google你自己去那個臉書你只要打文化幣買賣看看現在跳出來是什麼馬上就可以賣啦是啦\n\n04:34.289 --> 05:00.859\n那也就是說打開就可以看得到那這叫做查緝有成果嗎?問委員報告啦在網路上有宣稱可以買賣文化部表示他賣得掉啦也不會表示他買得到我們部長我們不要這樣去想說啊要許賣不掉一些他出來開玩笑不是這樣啦所以我想我們提出這個就是希望能夠正視這樣的一個問題喔就是說您有沒有很積極的去平台要求像這樣的一個社團去下架我們有沒有作為我先講不講成果成效您有沒有作為\n\n05:01.679 --> 05:24.050\n當然有作為我一直在講說我們的系統一直不斷的精進我們今天剛剛所移送的數字等等以及網路的監控這都是我們的作為事實上我想從預算到文化幣它確實是一個從消費端轉移到使用端的過程在預算的階段其實是以振興為主鼓勵消費為主所以它的傾向上的寬容度是不一樣的\n\n05:24.290 --> 05:45.394\n市長,我想我們回到主題來了就是說今天沒有人說你毫無作為今天我們的說法是說當發生了這樣的一個狀況這個亂象但我們現在是沒有辦法有效遏止這是兩件事那我們要面對這樣的問題才知道說怎麼能夠把這個事情做得更好所以本期是希望說您會後也能去想一想\n\n05:45.754 --> 05:45.814\n李慧琼議員\n\n06:01.798 --> 06:13.564\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、邀請文化部部長史哲列席報告業務：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：二、處\n\n06:18.246 --> 06:36.073\n同意,我想我並沒有說不罰年輕人我只是說因為他是年輕人所以對他的裁罰對,我們不會要用就是說什麼刑罰什麼要去重罰他但是我們覺得要導正這個現象另外文化幣的這個APP的建置的費用跟後續的維護的費用你總共編了各210萬跟1494萬那部長你有沒有測數過這個文化幣的APP\n\n06:44.246 --> 06:57.598\n有啊,當然我們一直都有在測試你覺得好用嗎我不得不說相對於政府過去開發的類似的APP來講它應該算是一個算是一個蠻好用的APP所以您個人覺得好好用但是網路上的評價只有2.4顆星\n\n06:59.920 --> 07:01.141\n二月27日及28日二天一次會獲議事處來函．則不予處理或審查\n\n07:22.287 --> 07:49.236\n昨天謝謝部長到桃園來看本席我們桃園市兒童美術館還有正在興建中的桃園市立美術館那昨天來看我想我們大家滿懷期待因為副院長過來然後部長也下來那但是部長您知道嗎現在整個桃園市立美術館的興建工程要從原本的30.7億現在是不夠了要增加預算這件事您知道嗎要增加多少\n\n07:50.136 --> 08:18.326\n我昨天聽副市長講說好像要增加快20億要增加20億好他大概增加20億6千萬左右那為什麼會有這樣一個落差其實為什麼會有一個20億這個差其實很大那是因為除了我們現在原物料缺工缺料物料上漲之外但是在109年桃園市政府當時他整個工程因為發包不順利所以他進行兩次的檢向才讓這個工程發包出去而且他檢向的項目包括什麼包括機電空調消防燈控\n\n08:19.426 --> 08:19.707\n昨天您跟副院長到\n\n08:35.808 --> 08:41.453\n其實本來滿懷希望但是您走了以後我真的覺得非常失望因為昨天這20億我們希望中央能夠給我們更多的支持因為我們知道過去的30.7億35%也是中央這邊來幫忙的那我們希望現在能夠多增加這將近20億是不是也能夠\n\n08:54.025 --> 09:10.956\n文化部這個地方來幫忙中央這邊來幫忙我們這21億一樣能夠中央來幫助我們補貼35%但是昨天副院長的意思是說要讓我們用統籌分配款來做那我想部長我在這邊我也跟您提一下我想統籌分配款我們來看一下\n\n09:13.617 --> 09:40.338\n桃園市統籌分配款大概只有303億在6度可以算已經算非常末了這統籌分配款對桃園來說已經是不公平了我想這副院長也擔任過我們的桃園市長他其實過去也有提過這樣的一個不公平所以現在要我們用桃園市的統籌分配款來做其實是不太可能的所以本席在這邊希望為我們桃園市的這個市立美術館來請命尤其部長昨天再三的肯定不管是對於我們兒童美術館\n\n09:41.499 --> 09:42.940\n二十一億當中一樣跟比照我們之前的工程款中央可以補助我們35%\n\n10:08.272 --> 10:08.292\n韓國瑜議員\n\n10:26.246 --> 10:26.766\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議結束\n\n10:49.924 --> 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