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00:03:26,587\n所以我們現在無人機的發展其實還是在初階的這個階段也不能講初階就有些是已經到了某種地步有的但在戰略型的有很多還在努力當中因為我剛有看到說就是說我們其實也有分了很多的這個\n\n11\n00:03:28,148 --> 00:03:28,248\n主席\n\n12\n00:03:47,279 --> 00:03:48,902\n這是必然要的,而且剛剛委員講的,我們現在目前有一些\n\n13\n00:04:03,883 --> 00:04:04,924\n各位委員各位來做報告\n\n14\n00:04:31,876 --> 00:04:53,822\n國防部長提到研發：我們其實有投入了7億多位由這個中科院研製這個摩羯戰術型的進程無人機：那可是在今年1月份的時候我們在這個臺東地區指揮部在一個操演當中就是重要目標防護反滲透\n\n15\n00:04:54,482 --> 00:04:55,462\n國防部的回答是因為操場現場為雨水氣浸透\n\n16\n00:05:19,289 --> 00:05:19,309\n請問部長\n\n17\n00:05:48,177 --> 00:05:49,198\n這個回答其實會讓人家覺得說這個品質真的有問題耶\n\n18\n00:06:17,041 --> 00:06:45,601\n很簡單的回答因為戰術無人機我們要求就是4K的畫質800萬畫素它比FullHD的1080還要更精確那為什麼有這個現象呢因為當時這個影像傳到導控台導控台離記者是很遠所以由攝影機來做翻拍翻拍因為當時的誤記是翻拍的結果而不是本身攝影傳出的結果它本身的要求是4K800萬畫素的高畫質是沒有問題的是翻拍的問題造成的影像不清楚\n\n19\n00:06:45,981 --> 00:06:48,323\n這是翻拍的關係造成的,其實它本身是沒有這個問題,意思是這樣嗎?可是為什麼當初國防部給人家的回答是因為下雨啊、微雨啊、水氣浸透、浸頭,是因為國防部這邊的回答不夠專業嗎?不了解嗎?\n\n20\n00:07:03,438 --> 00:07:19,744\n入軍是使用單位這一點我向委員報告當天的現場的說明官他的確是如委員所提示的這個來說明但那是不精確的事實上他說法是錯誤的這個這樣子的話其實會造成很大的誤會我會認為說這一批50套100架的這個無人機是有問題\n\n21\n00:07:26,967 --> 00:07:48,150\n我們這50套100架無人機中科院從111年的9月交軍之後我們在各項的演習和實際測試我可以說它的傳輸效果在目前沒有出現這樣的狀況那天純屬一個翻拍它的一個我們後面也做了檢討這樣子的類型而後不會再讓它發生向委員報告\n\n22\n00:07:49,235 --> 00:08:17,484\n所以說以後再回答媒體這個部分的話可能要非常非常的謹慎當我們看到這個回答的話真的是非常的搖頭第一點我們懷疑品質第二點當然就是說國防部這種回答是不是真的是不夠專業當初看到這個報導的時候是這樣子所以這個部分以後如果類似OK現在我們當然我也趁這個機會讓各位來做這個解釋現在我們看到的這個畫面媒體所提供出來的畫面\n\n23\n00:08:18,024 --> 00:08:22,346\n其實是翻拍的畫面,並不是實際上他所呈現的這個畫面嘛,影像傳輸的畫面嘛,當初你們就應該要講清楚啊,可是我們當初看到這個回答的時候,真的覺得太離譜了。\n\n24\n00:08:32,972 --> 00:08:55,336\n好那再來的話就是說有關於這個剛剛有提到這個非操守的這個培訓那當然我也有看到就是說現在呢我們要培訓國軍無人機師資的這個總能是規劃在4月起是委託民間公司來培訓這個操作手那我想請問我想請問部長那像這個\n\n25\n00:08:59,577 --> 00:09:08,408\n因為我們現在也要培養一些宗旨教官嘛對不對那再來的話就是說我們EWE已經要恢復一年今年已經恢復一年了那未來的這個訓練的課程軍訓的課程裡面會不會納入這個非操守的這個訓練\n\n26\n00:09:16,699 --> 00:09:34,691\n會否納入必要的課程當中?會納入,看它分發到哪個單位,如果單位是做這種訓練的,它分進去的,它一定要接受這個訓練。而且我們要分發它到那邊之前,一定有個要點,它也在這一方面具有專業。\n\n27\n00:09:35,632 --> 00:09:59,303\n他必須要有專業先決條件因為當初我們的義務役變成一年的規劃也就是說他基本上都在這個所備部隊裡面但有些他有意願啊但因為他要到哪個組戰兵力或到其他單位的話我們要發你有沒有專業是能夠符合能夠符合相近的經過短暫訓練以後就可以從事那個任務\n\n28\n00:10:00,143 --> 00:10:27,988\n所以這對於我們不能講的確定哪些人會去哪些人不會去但我跟委員報告講說他說有意願我們經過查核他有這個專業加以短暫失業以後他到的單位服務他到時候所獲得待遇各方面都不一樣的我們就叫目前是我有一個建議因為現在全世界都在把這個操作無人機當作是一個很重要的一個項目那我在想說既然我們的這個\n\n29\n00:10:28,968 --> 00:10:29,188\n主席\n\n30\n00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,042\n謝委員,今天給我們這個機會﹖不管是表達攝影的問題﹖還有將來專業訓練的問題﹖我們都要把它給納進去﹖不會講一來以後,通通從基礎來做﹖這樣就浪費了其他人的時間﹖我們從這方面來努力\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1070\t7435\t謝謝主席,有請邱部長。部長請。委員好。\n15387\t18069\t部長好 部長 呃 誠如剛剛我們國防部在報告裡頭所說的 無論是烏爾戰爭或者是以巴衝突 無人機確實是大大發揮了創新還有不對稱作戰的這個效益 所以目前呢 全球呢 都加緊這個腳步要來部署無人機在軍隊當中的這個配置\n38220\t38260\t．羅美玲議員\n67902\t95299\t在這兩場戰爭當中看到的這以小博大不對稱戰爭的這個效益那對於這個無人機我剛剛也看到我們報告裡面有提到就是說我國是採中科院像偽製、國內商購或是跟國外軍購等等那甚至我們自己國內跟國科會我們也有做一些研發那在這個無人機的這個發展的這個進程當中我們可以發現說全球美國可能是最先進的\n96340\t98141\t像我有看到之前像美軍他已經是有正在研發這個有人戰機呢跟無人戰機進行這個戰術的這個搭配比如說他們可以這個研發的這個無人戰機可以協助像這個\n112467\t112807\t併請國防部部長報告\n134232\t134272\t主席\n150720\t170085\t但這些都因為一個借鏡給我們設定一個目標而且我們目前也朝這方面做譬如說我們也期望不管是無人機的研發也好能夠加快腳步變成一個徵打一體但有些科技方面的問題我們除了一方面做我們自己以外另外汲取其他國家的德意來加在裡面\n170945\t189854\t但這的一個長期的規劃,我們現在的因應的方法,除了以現有的無人機來做,不管偵測也好,或者預警也好,都一步一步來做,將來想要有能力的話,希望能夠爭打一體的,能夠在我們手上掌握,對我們戰力是絕對有幫助的。\n191115\t206587\t所以我們現在無人機的發展其實還是在初階的這個階段也不能講初階就有些是已經到了某種地步有的但在戰略型的有很多還在努力當中因為我剛有看到說就是說我們其實也有分了很多的這個\n208148\t208248\t主席\n227279\t228902\t這是必然要的,而且剛剛委員講的,我們現在目前有一些\n243883\t244924\t各位委員各位來做報告\n271876\t293822\t國防部長提到研發：我們其實有投入了7億多位由這個中科院研製這個摩羯戰術型的進程無人機：那可是在今年1月份的時候我們在這個臺東地區指揮部在一個操演當中就是重要目標防護反滲透\n294482\t295462\t國防部的回答是因為操場現場為雨水氣浸透\n319289\t319309\t請問部長\n348177\t349198\t這個回答其實會讓人家覺得說這個品質真的有問題耶\n377041\t405601\t很簡單的回答因為戰術無人機我們要求就是4K的畫質800萬畫素它比Full HD的1080還要更精確那為什麼有這個現象呢因為當時這個影像傳到導控台導控台離記者是很遠所以由攝影機來做翻拍翻拍因為當時的誤記是翻拍的結果而不是本身攝影傳出的結果它本身的要求是4K800萬畫素的高畫質是沒有問題的是翻拍的問題造成的影像不清楚\n405981\t408323\t這是翻拍的關係造成的,其實它本身是沒有這個問題,意思是這樣嗎?可是為什麼當初國防部給人家的回答是因為下雨啊、微雨啊、水氣浸透、浸頭,是因為國防部這邊的回答不夠專業嗎?不了解嗎?\n423438\t439744\t入軍是使用單位這一點我向委員報告當天的現場的說明官他的確是如委員所提示的這個來說明但那是不精確的事實上他說法是錯誤的這個這樣子的話其實會造成很大的誤會我會認為說這一批50套100架的這個無人機是有問題\n446967\t468150\t我們這50套100架無人機中科院從111年的9月交軍之後我們在各項的演習和實際測試我可以說它的傳輸效果在目前沒有出現這樣的狀況那天純屬一個翻拍它的一個我們後面也做了檢討這樣子的類型而後不會再讓它發生向委員報告\n469235\t497484\t所以說以後再回答媒體這個部分的話可能要非常非常的謹慎當我們看到這個回答的話真的是非常的搖頭第一點我們懷疑品質第二點當然就是說國防部這種回答是不是真的是不夠專業當初看到這個報導的時候是這樣子所以這個部分以後如果類似OK現在我們當然我也趁這個機會讓各位來做這個解釋現在我們看到的這個畫面媒體所提供出來的畫面\n498024\t502346\t其實是翻拍的畫面,並不是實際上他所呈現的這個畫面嘛,影像傳輸的畫面嘛,當初你們就應該要講清楚啊,可是我們當初看到這個回答的時候,真的覺得太離譜了。\n512972\t535336\t好那再來的話就是說有關於這個剛剛有提到這個非操守的這個培訓那當然我也有看到就是說現在呢我們要培訓國軍無人機師資的這個總能是規劃在4月起是委託民間公司來培訓這個操作手那我想請問我想請問部長那像這個\n539577\t548408\t因為我們現在也要培養一些宗旨教官嘛對不對那再來的話就是說我們EWE已經要恢復一年今年已經恢復一年了那未來的這個訓練的課程軍訓的課程裡面會不會納入這個非操守的這個訓練\n556699\t574691\t會否納入必要的課程當中?會納入,看它分發到哪個單位,如果單位是做這種訓練的,它分進去的,它一定要接受這個訓練。而且我們要分發它到那邊之前,一定有個要點,它也在這一方面具有專業。\n575632\t599303\t他必須要有專業先決條件因為當初我們的義務役變成一年的規劃也就是說他基本上都在這個所備部隊裡面但有些他有意願啊但因為他要到哪個組戰兵力或到其他單位的話我們要發你有沒有專業是能夠符合能夠符合相近的經過短暫訓練以後就可以從事那個任務\n600143\t627988\t所以這對於我們不能講的確定哪些人會去哪些人不會去但我跟委員報告講說他說有意願我們經過查核他有這個專業加以短暫失業以後他到的單位服務他到時候所獲得待遇各方面都不一樣的我們就叫目前是我有一個建議因為現在全世界都在把這個操作無人機當作是一個很重要的一個項目那我在想說既然我們的這個\n628968\t629188\t主席\n650200\t653042\t謝委員,今天給我們這個機會﹖不管是表達攝影的問題﹖還有將來專業訓練的問題﹖我們都要把它給納進去﹖不會講一來以後,通通從基礎來做﹖這樣就浪費了其他人的時間﹖我們從這方面來努力\n","txt":"謝謝主席,有請邱部長。部長請。委員好。\n部長好 部長 呃 誠如剛剛我們國防部在報告裡頭所說的 無論是烏爾戰爭或者是以巴衝突 無人機確實是大大發揮了創新還有不對稱作戰的這個效益 所以目前呢 全球呢 都加緊這個腳步要來部署無人機在軍隊當中的這個配置\n．羅美玲議員\n在這兩場戰爭當中看到的這以小博大不對稱戰爭的這個效益那對於這個無人機我剛剛也看到我們報告裡面有提到就是說我國是採中科院像偽製、國內商購或是跟國外軍購等等那甚至我們自己國內跟國科會我們也有做一些研發那在這個無人機的這個發展的這個進程當中我們可以發現說全球美國可能是最先進的\n像我有看到之前像美軍他已經是有正在研發這個有人戰機呢跟無人戰機進行這個戰術的這個搭配比如說他們可以這個研發的這個無人戰機可以協助像這個\n併請國防部部長報告\n主席\n但這些都因為一個借鏡給我們設定一個目標而且我們目前也朝這方面做譬如說我們也期望不管是無人機的研發也好能夠加快腳步變成一個徵打一體但有些科技方面的問題我們除了一方面做我們自己以外另外汲取其他國家的德意來加在裡面\n但這的一個長期的規劃,我們現在的因應的方法,除了以現有的無人機來做,不管偵測也好,或者預警也好,都一步一步來做,將來想要有能力的話,希望能夠爭打一體的,能夠在我們手上掌握,對我們戰力是絕對有幫助的。\n所以我們現在無人機的發展其實還是在初階的這個階段也不能講初階就有些是已經到了某種地步有的但在戰略型的有很多還在努力當中因為我剛有看到說就是說我們其實也有分了很多的這個\n主席\n這是必然要的,而且剛剛委員講的,我們現在目前有一些\n各位委員各位來做報告\n國防部長提到研發：我們其實有投入了7億多位由這個中科院研製這個摩羯戰術型的進程無人機：那可是在今年1月份的時候我們在這個臺東地區指揮部在一個操演當中就是重要目標防護反滲透\n國防部的回答是因為操場現場為雨水氣浸透\n請問部長\n這個回答其實會讓人家覺得說這個品質真的有問題耶\n很簡單的回答因為戰術無人機我們要求就是4K的畫質800萬畫素它比Full HD的1080還要更精確那為什麼有這個現象呢因為當時這個影像傳到導控台導控台離記者是很遠所以由攝影機來做翻拍翻拍因為當時的誤記是翻拍的結果而不是本身攝影傳出的結果它本身的要求是4K800萬畫素的高畫質是沒有問題的是翻拍的問題造成的影像不清楚\n這是翻拍的關係造成的,其實它本身是沒有這個問題,意思是這樣嗎?可是為什麼當初國防部給人家的回答是因為下雨啊、微雨啊、水氣浸透、浸頭,是因為國防部這邊的回答不夠專業嗎?不了解嗎?\n入軍是使用單位這一點我向委員報告當天的現場的說明官他的確是如委員所提示的這個來說明但那是不精確的事實上他說法是錯誤的這個這樣子的話其實會造成很大的誤會我會認為說這一批50套100架的這個無人機是有問題\n我們這50套100架無人機中科院從111年的9月交軍之後我們在各項的演習和實際測試我可以說它的傳輸效果在目前沒有出現這樣的狀況那天純屬一個翻拍它的一個我們後面也做了檢討這樣子的類型而後不會再讓它發生向委員報告\n所以說以後再回答媒體這個部分的話可能要非常非常的謹慎當我們看到這個回答的話真的是非常的搖頭第一點我們懷疑品質第二點當然就是說國防部這種回答是不是真的是不夠專業當初看到這個報導的時候是這樣子所以這個部分以後如果類似OK現在我們當然我也趁這個機會讓各位來做這個解釋現在我們看到的這個畫面媒體所提供出來的畫面\n其實是翻拍的畫面,並不是實際上他所呈現的這個畫面嘛,影像傳輸的畫面嘛,當初你們就應該要講清楚啊,可是我們當初看到這個回答的時候,真的覺得太離譜了。\n好那再來的話就是說有關於這個剛剛有提到這個非操守的這個培訓那當然我也有看到就是說現在呢我們要培訓國軍無人機師資的這個總能是規劃在4月起是委託民間公司來培訓這個操作手那我想請問我想請問部長那像這個\n因為我們現在也要培養一些宗旨教官嘛對不對那再來的話就是說我們EWE已經要恢復一年今年已經恢復一年了那未來的這個訓練的課程軍訓的課程裡面會不會納入這個非操守的這個訓練\n會否納入必要的課程當中?會納入,看它分發到哪個單位,如果單位是做這種訓練的,它分進去的,它一定要接受這個訓練。而且我們要分發它到那邊之前,一定有個要點,它也在這一方面具有專業。\n他必須要有專業先決條件因為當初我們的義務役變成一年的規劃也就是說他基本上都在這個所備部隊裡面但有些他有意願啊但因為他要到哪個組戰兵力或到其他單位的話我們要發你有沒有專業是能夠符合能夠符合相近的經過短暫訓練以後就可以從事那個任務\n所以這對於我們不能講的確定哪些人會去哪些人不會去但我跟委員報告講說他說有意願我們經過查核他有這個專業加以短暫失業以後他到的單位服務他到時候所獲得待遇各方面都不一樣的我們就叫目前是我有一個建議因為現在全世界都在把這個操作無人機當作是一個很重要的一個項目那我在想說既然我們的這個\n主席\n謝委員,今天給我們這個機會﹖不管是表達攝影的問題﹖還有將來專業訓練的問題﹖我們都要把它給納進去﹖不會講一來以後,通通從基礎來做﹖這樣就浪費了其他人的時間﹖我們從這方面來努力\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.070 --> 00:07.435\n謝謝主席,有請邱部長。部長請。委員好。\n\n00:15.387 --> 00:18.069\n部長好部長呃誠如剛剛我們國防部在報告裡頭所說的無論是烏爾戰爭或者是以巴衝突無人機確實是大大發揮了創新還有不對稱作戰的這個效益所以目前呢全球呢都加緊這個腳步要來部署無人機在軍隊當中的這個配置\n\n00:38.220 --> 00:38.260\n．羅美玲議員\n\n01:07.902 --> 01:35.299\n在這兩場戰爭當中看到的這以小博大不對稱戰爭的這個效益那對於這個無人機我剛剛也看到我們報告裡面有提到就是說我國是採中科院像偽製、國內商購或是跟國外軍購等等那甚至我們自己國內跟國科會我們也有做一些研發那在這個無人機的這個發展的這個進程當中我們可以發現說全球美國可能是最先進的\n\n01:36.340 --> 01:38.141\n像我有看到之前像美軍他已經是有正在研發這個有人戰機呢跟無人戰機進行這個戰術的這個搭配比如說他們可以這個研發的這個無人戰機可以協助像這個\n\n01:52.467 --> 01:52.807\n併請國防部部長報告\n\n02:14.232 --> 02:14.272\n主席\n\n02:30.720 --> 02:50.085\n但這些都因為一個借鏡給我們設定一個目標而且我們目前也朝這方面做譬如說我們也期望不管是無人機的研發也好能夠加快腳步變成一個徵打一體但有些科技方面的問題我們除了一方面做我們自己以外另外汲取其他國家的德意來加在裡面\n\n02:50.945 --> 03:09.854\n但這的一個長期的規劃,我們現在的因應的方法,除了以現有的無人機來做,不管偵測也好,或者預警也好,都一步一步來做,將來想要有能力的話,希望能夠爭打一體的,能夠在我們手上掌握,對我們戰力是絕對有幫助的。\n\n03:11.115 --> 03:26.587\n所以我們現在無人機的發展其實還是在初階的這個階段也不能講初階就有些是已經到了某種地步有的但在戰略型的有很多還在努力當中因為我剛有看到說就是說我們其實也有分了很多的這個\n\n03:28.148 --> 03:28.248\n主席\n\n03:47.279 --> 03:48.902\n這是必然要的,而且剛剛委員講的,我們現在目前有一些\n\n04:03.883 --> 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