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00:02:31,703\n市區道路的部分還有都市人本交通的部分所以是1234你用漢字講的話是哪一個?一跟六一跟六四跟五都是通用的四跟五是通用的那部長算是還清楚喔一和六果然是有做過地方首長喔一和六是內政部那這個答案次長你同意嗎?同意所以2345全部都是交通部的\n\n11\n00:02:40,069 --> 00:02:48,556\n一條柏油路我們如果是要鋪設柏油路的話我們柏油路鋪設我現在說柏油路的摩擦係數防滑係數的話那請問這樣的一條路是用哪幾項規範來規定是跟哪幾個剛剛123456我們現在分嘛這個工程上以工程來講的話\n\n12\n00:03:08,243 --> 00:03:32,198\n其實它又會分是市區道路和非市區道路對不對對如果是在市區的話是內政部啦對它都會因為是對它要因為我們的路段是市區道路或非市區道路它適用的規範又不一樣嘛所以會牽涉到一市區道路的話是用一的規範非市區道路的話是用二的規範好那我們如果現在講紅綠燈耗製的話呢如果耗製的話會用哪幾個規範\n\n13\n00:03:35,612 --> 00:03:52,360\n其實是用3和5啦交通工程的規範好可是你去回頭去看剛剛這個123456到底哪一些規範是工程哪一些是號誌明明在講工程的會有它的規範從名稱開始喔它就是號誌標線比如說我們的3其實它寫的是\n\n14\n00:03:57,742 --> 00:04:06,668\n議員黃捷等16人擬具:「行人交通安全設施條例草案．則不予審查則不予審查則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n\n15\n00:04:26,907 --> 00:04:48,403\n他會發現從名稱到設置的規範的內容範疇其實台灣的六項主要的道路設計規範是都不一樣內容都不一樣所以你會發現同一條路比如說好了我們再講旁邊的中華路好了啦我們再下一頁好了我們再講這個中華路旁邊西門町的中華路請問中華路的\n\n16\n00:04:52,066 --> 00:04:54,827\n台北市政府是直接負責但是如果再上提到中央的主管機關呢?\n\n17\n00:05:04,935 --> 00:05:33,659\n市區道路,所以是內政部。市區道路,可是它同時也是國三啊,它是國三齁?呃,在公共區講到貢獻的部分是來互相協商,那協議的結果是由市區道路,直轄市政府。所以這是要透過協商嘛。所以實務上你第一是你必須它如果有貢獻的時候是透過協商,那協商的到最後是哪一個層級,不一定,因為是協商,所以結果不一定。結果不一定的狀況下,是要哪一種規範,就不一定啊。\n\n18\n00:05:34,459 --> 00:05:57,493\n我是不是可以跟委員簡單的說明一下因為國家的道路系統剛才上一頁有看到有的是公路系統有的是市區道路系統所以它在管理上就是依照市區系統跟公路系統在做剛才有看到市區道路還有附屬設施的設計規範那公路也有路線的設計規範跟附屬設施的設計規範所以原則上在公路跟市區道路它是\n\n19\n00:06:03,737 --> 00:06:04,077\n委員黃捷等16人擬具\n\n20\n00:06:22,765 --> 00:06:46,652\n市長有關這樣的一個規範在這個相關縣市在應用上是沒有問題的市長你現在的回答我是可以接受的但你這回答的部分其實是我現在剛剛那張表單的分類的部分因為我們確實是分道路非道路公路非公路以及如果是市區道路又是另外在這些路上面再拉出來進入到市區的部分這是分類\n\n21\n00:06:47,332 --> 00:07:05,046\n議員黃捷等16人擬具:「行人交通安全設施條例草案：立法院第11屆第1會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第\n\n22\n00:07:16,195 --> 00:07:25,963\n停車格的部分的話其實我們在交通在內政部的市區大陸及附屬工程設計規範的時候我們在要求這個工程的時候就是說不能夠設停車格他很明白的寫出了這條規範可是如果是在交通部的公路綠線設計規範的時候他就沒有寫\n\n23\n00:07:37,193 --> 00:07:41,354\n我同樣一個工程當我適用不同的層級的規範的時候那規範寫的不一樣那我到底要照哪一種那會不會導致我這條路因為是不同的主管單位下來做的那我的規範就不一樣蓋出來的路就不一樣啊\n\n24\n00:07:55,698 --> 00:08:10,038\n部長跟市長你可以明白我的意思嗎?你們剛剛的分類我接受我接受因為而且行之有年大家都知道彼此的權責在哪裡了我現在的問題正是在說因為這個規範的下面因為你的分類下面的規範會不一樣\n\n25\n00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:19,986\n所以可能蓋出來的路不一樣尤其是實用上會變成是什麼呢因為這條線可能會貢獻啊有時候是我們開一開一下是省道接下來又開到市區道路了可是對我實用來講是一樣的一條路啊那結果不同的狀況會如何呢所以我今天要提出來的其實是啊我建議我們這六大規範應該要能夠一次審查統一來看出一套一套標準\n\n26\n00:08:38,658 --> 00:08:53,809\n你也這麼多年沒選我去查有很多都是60年都沒有改變了這跟其他國家的設計規範工程設計規範是差很遠的我這個建議部長跟市長可以同意嗎這六個應該要一起審查他可以看出同一套工程標準啊\n\n27\n00:08:56,021 --> 00:09:13,019\n我跟委員說明原則上相關的設計要一致這是我想是一個大原則在這還是回歸到我剛才講的因為每一條道路經過的時候它有些是屬於公路系統有些是屬於市區道路系統\n\n28\n00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:15,099\n議員黃捷等16人擬具《行人交通安全設施條例草案》案\n\n29\n00:09:38,084 --> 00:09:46,071\n就是我們就是需要這樣的事情把6個的議論拉齊嘛主要的相關法規我完全同意你其實這個結論就是符合我說其實應該要綜合討論重新規劃啦那部長跟市長也跟你報告啦在這個質詢台上跟你說所以我4月中的時候要開公聽會我會希望內政部跟交通部都要有相關代表來我們就就這個規範如何拉齊一致\n\n30\n00:10:06,747 --> 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如果是在市區的話是內政部啦對 它都會因為是對 它要因為我們的路段是市區道路或非市區道路它適用的規範又不一樣嘛所以會牽涉到一市區道路的話是用一的規範非市區道路的話是用二的規範好 那我們如果現在講紅綠燈耗製的話呢如果耗製的話會用哪幾個規範\n215612\t232360\t其實是用3和5啦 交通工程的規範好可是你去回頭去看剛剛這個123456到底哪一些規範是工程哪一些是號誌明明在講工程的會有它的規範從名稱開始喔它就是號誌標線比如說我們的3其實它寫的是\n237742\t246668\t議員黃捷等16人擬具:「行人交通安全設施條例草案．則不予審查則不予審查則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n266907\t288403\t他會發現從名稱到設置的規範的內容範疇其實台灣的六項主要的道路設計規範是都不一樣內容都不一樣所以你會發現同一條路比如說好了我們再講旁邊的中華路好了啦我們再下一頁好了我們再講這個中華路旁邊西門町的中華路請問中華路的\n292066\t294827\t台北市政府是直接負責但是如果再上提到中央的主管機關呢?\n304935\t333659\t市區道路,所以是內政部。市區道路,可是它同時也是國三啊,它是國三齁?呃,在公共區講到貢獻的部分是來互相協商,那協議的結果是由市區道路,直轄市政府。所以這是要透過協商嘛。所以實務上你第一是你必須它如果有貢獻的時候是透過協商,那協商的到最後是哪一個層級,不一定,因為是協商,所以結果不一定。結果不一定的狀況下,是要哪一種規範,就不一定啊。\n334459\t357493\t我是不是可以跟委員簡單的說明一下因為國家的道路系統剛才上一頁有看到有的是公路系統有的是市區道路系統所以它在管理上就是依照市區系統跟公路系統在做剛才有看到市區道路還有附屬設施的設計規範那公路也有路線的設計規範跟附屬設施的設計規範所以原則上在公路跟市區道路它是\n363737\t364077\t委員黃捷等16人擬具\n382765\t406652\t市長有關這樣的一個規範在這個相關縣市在應用上是沒有問題的市長你現在的回答我是可以接受的但你這回答的部分其實是我現在剛剛那張表單的分類的部分因為我們確實是分道路非道路公路非公路以及如果是市區道路又是另外在這些路上面再拉出來進入到市區的部分這是分類\n407332\t425046\t議員黃捷等16人擬具:「行人交通安全設施條例草案：立法院第11屆第1會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第\n436195\t445963\t停車格的部分的話其實我們在交通在內政部的市區大陸及附屬工程設計規範的時候我們在要求這個工程的時候就是說不能夠設停車格他很明白的寫出了這條規範可是如果是在交通部的公路綠線設計規範的時候他就沒有寫\n457193\t461354\t我同樣一個工程當我適用不同的層級的規範的時候那規範寫的不一樣那我到底要照哪一種那會不會導致我這條路因為是不同的主管單位下來做的那我的規範就不一樣蓋出來的路就不一樣啊\n475698\t490038\t部長跟市長 你可以明白我的意思嗎?你們剛剛的分類我接受我接受 因為而且行之有年大家都知道彼此的權責在哪裡了我現在的問題正是在說因為這個規範的下面因為你的分類下面的規範會不一樣\n491960\t499986\t所以可能蓋出來的路不一樣尤其是實用上會變成是什麼呢因為這條線可能會貢獻啊有時候是我們開一開一下是省道接下來又開到市區道路了可是對我實用來講是一樣的一條路啊那結果不同的狀況會如何呢所以我今天要提出來的其實是啊我建議我們這六大規範應該要能夠一次審查統一來看出一套一套標準\n518658\t533809\t你也這麼多年沒選我去查有很多都是60年都沒有改變了這跟其他國家的設計規範工程設計規範是差很遠的我這個建議部長跟市長可以同意嗎這六個應該要一起審查他可以看出同一套工程標準啊\n536021\t553019\t我跟委員說明原則上相關的設計要一致這是我想是一個大原則在這還是回歸到我剛才講的因為每一條道路經過的時候它有些是屬於公路系統有些是屬於市區道路系統\n553519\t555099\t議員黃捷等16人擬具《行人交通安全設施條例草案》案\n578084\t586071\t就是我們就是需要這樣的事情把6個的議論拉齊嘛主要的相關法規我完全同意你其實這個結論就是符合我說其實應該要綜合討論重新規劃啦那部長跟市長也跟你報告啦在這個質詢台上跟你說所以我4月中的時候要開公聽會我會希望內政部跟交通部都要有相關代表來我們就就這個規範如何拉齊一致\n606747\t609932\t並且重新分類審查我希望能夠做一個討論謝謝部長跟市長好 謝謝我們蘇巧慧委員的執行\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我們請林部長跟陳次長部長好,那次長不好意思,我就先請林部長先回答部長,我們當然大家現在都非常注意交通安全,尤其是行人的安全所以在上一次這個道路交通安全基本法通過的時候\n我也跟李昆哲委員、紅山漢委員一起召開了公聽會我們在在的表示說其實行人要能夠安全不是只有交通這個部分耗資的部分而已而是工程的部分更為重要因為把路、道路整個交通的概念、工程都做好那其實安全性才會提高所以今天要討論這個條例我是非常贊成的可是這就回到了一個問題部長還有次長我們今天一條\n台灣的道路有多少單位在進行工程?\n有些是內政部吧?\n有些是交通部吧?\n這個沒有問題吧?\n如果在地方政府的話他會交通單位警察單位這個公務單位也都會有還有包括這個這是相關啦但是我說設計建制的時候其實是交通部跟內政部會有差嘛那意思是說如果一條道路的設置尤其是以全台灣因為我們的生活圈是整個全國可以說是一起的一條路是串聯各縣市這樣的狀況所以一條路在幹如果\n:「雖然分屬很多單位去蓋,但它的標準一致,全國的道路設置標準從大到小都一致的話,那我沒有問題分很多單位去蓋,沒有問題。但是如果是每個單位的標準不太一致的話,\n那可能問題就大了我先給部長和次長這邊看一下我偏查我們所有的相關規範我們現在在該條例不管是從扑面來分上有號誌、標線、下有工程跟道路、交通、工程的相關規範有6種部長我想請問這6種裡面哪一些是跟你內政部相關的\n市區道路的部分還有都市人本交通的部分所以是1234你用漢字講的話是哪一個?一跟六一跟六四跟五都是通用的四跟五是通用的那部長算是還清楚喔一和六果然是有做過地方首長喔一和六是內政部那這個答案次長你同意嗎?同意所以2345全部都是交通部的\n一條柏油路我們如果是要鋪設柏油路的話我們柏油路鋪設我現在說柏油路的摩擦係數防滑係數的話那請問這樣的一條路是用哪幾項規範來規定是跟哪幾個剛剛123456我們現在分嘛這個工程上以工程來講的話\n其實它又會分是市區道路和非市區道路對不對對 如果是在市區的話是內政部啦對 它都會因為是對 它要因為我們的路段是市區道路或非市區道路它適用的規範又不一樣嘛所以會牽涉到一市區道路的話是用一的規範非市區道路的話是用二的規範好 那我們如果現在講紅綠燈耗製的話呢如果耗製的話會用哪幾個規範\n其實是用3和5啦 交通工程的規範好可是你去回頭去看剛剛這個123456到底哪一些規範是工程哪一些是號誌明明在講工程的會有它的規範從名稱開始喔它就是號誌標線比如說我們的3其實它寫的是\n議員黃捷等16人擬具:「行人交通安全設施條例草案．則不予審查則不予審查則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．\n他會發現從名稱到設置的規範的內容範疇其實台灣的六項主要的道路設計規範是都不一樣內容都不一樣所以你會發現同一條路比如說好了我們再講旁邊的中華路好了啦我們再下一頁好了我們再講這個中華路旁邊西門町的中華路請問中華路的\n台北市政府是直接負責但是如果再上提到中央的主管機關呢?\n市區道路,所以是內政部。市區道路,可是它同時也是國三啊,它是國三齁?呃,在公共區講到貢獻的部分是來互相協商,那協議的結果是由市區道路,直轄市政府。所以這是要透過協商嘛。所以實務上你第一是你必須它如果有貢獻的時候是透過協商,那協商的到最後是哪一個層級,不一定,因為是協商,所以結果不一定。結果不一定的狀況下,是要哪一種規範,就不一定啊。\n我是不是可以跟委員簡單的說明一下因為國家的道路系統剛才上一頁有看到有的是公路系統有的是市區道路系統所以它在管理上就是依照市區系統跟公路系統在做剛才有看到市區道路還有附屬設施的設計規範那公路也有路線的設計規範跟附屬設施的設計規範所以原則上在公路跟市區道路它是\n委員黃捷等16人擬具\n市長有關這樣的一個規範在這個相關縣市在應用上是沒有問題的市長你現在的回答我是可以接受的但你這回答的部分其實是我現在剛剛那張表單的分類的部分因為我們確實是分道路非道路公路非公路以及如果是市區道路又是另外在這些路上面再拉出來進入到市區的部分這是分類\n議員黃捷等16人擬具:「行人交通安全設施條例草案：立法院第11屆第1會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第1屆第2會期內政、交通委員會第\n停車格的部分的話其實我們在交通在內政部的市區大陸及附屬工程設計規範的時候我們在要求這個工程的時候就是說不能夠設停車格他很明白的寫出了這條規範可是如果是在交通部的公路綠線設計規範的時候他就沒有寫\n我同樣一個工程當我適用不同的層級的規範的時候那規範寫的不一樣那我到底要照哪一種那會不會導致我這條路因為是不同的主管單位下來做的那我的規範就不一樣蓋出來的路就不一樣啊\n部長跟市長 你可以明白我的意思嗎?你們剛剛的分類我接受我接受 因為而且行之有年大家都知道彼此的權責在哪裡了我現在的問題正是在說因為這個規範的下面因為你的分類下面的規範會不一樣\n所以可能蓋出來的路不一樣尤其是實用上會變成是什麼呢因為這條線可能會貢獻啊有時候是我們開一開一下是省道接下來又開到市區道路了可是對我實用來講是一樣的一條路啊那結果不同的狀況會如何呢所以我今天要提出來的其實是啊我建議我們這六大規範應該要能夠一次審查統一來看出一套一套標準\n你也這麼多年沒選我去查有很多都是60年都沒有改變了這跟其他國家的設計規範工程設計規範是差很遠的我這個建議部長跟市長可以同意嗎這六個應該要一起審查他可以看出同一套工程標準啊\n我跟委員說明原則上相關的設計要一致這是我想是一個大原則在這還是回歸到我剛才講的因為每一條道路經過的時候它有些是屬於公路系統有些是屬於市區道路系統\n議員黃捷等16人擬具《行人交通安全設施條例草案》案\n就是我們就是需要這樣的事情把6個的議論拉齊嘛主要的相關法規我完全同意你其實這個結論就是符合我說其實應該要綜合討論重新規劃啦那部長跟市長也跟你報告啦在這個質詢台上跟你說所以我4月中的時候要開公聽會我會希望內政部跟交通部都要有相關代表來我們就就這個規範如何拉齊一致\n並且重新分類審查我希望能夠做一個討論謝謝部長跟市長好 謝謝我們蘇巧慧委員的執行\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.274 --> 00:24.663\n謝謝主席,我們請林部長跟陳次長部長好,那次長不好意思,我就先請林部長先回答部長,我們當然大家現在都非常注意交通安全,尤其是行人的安全所以在上一次這個道路交通安全基本法通過的時候\n\n00:25.403 --> 00:49.500\n我也跟李昆哲委員、紅山漢委員一起召開了公聽會我們在在的表示說其實行人要能夠安全不是只有交通這個部分耗資的部分而已而是工程的部分更為重要因為把路、道路整個交通的概念、工程都做好那其實安全性才會提高所以今天要討論這個條例我是非常贊成的可是這就回到了一個問題部長還有次長我們今天一條\n\n00:54.304 --> 00:59.086\n台灣的道路有多少單位在進行工程?\n\n00:59.086 --> 01:00.527\n有些是內政部吧?\n\n01:00.527 --> 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