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還是A3……"],["張委員宏陸：我講的就是A1、A2。"],["林部長右昌：是，委員你提到的這個部分，我們回去再查。"],["張委員宏陸：我覺得你們要輸入、要什麼的，這一種要精準啦！不然你在上面看到的資料就不精準。次長，有沒有這種情況發生？你們知不知道有這種情況發生？"],["黃司長運貴：跟委員報告，當時因為大家著重在行人事故的重點，所以我們是用109年至112年1到6月有發生行人死傷的案件來做統計，剛剛委員講的可能是有其他的車禍，沒有包括行人的部分，所以當時是沒有納進去的，以上。"],["張委員宏陸：確實嘛！所以有這個資料，你們有的是沒有納進去啊！所以我覺得我們今天要解決這個問題的話，數字要……"],["林部長右昌：剛剛說明的是它可能沒有包括行人，它可能是車禍，但是這一個重點是行人事故的部分，那你剛剛在講的可能是車子跟車子或者車子跟摩托車。"],["張委員宏陸：這一個東西我認為你要改善，我跟你講，所有的橋上有沒有人行道？"],["林部長右昌：有的有，有的可能沒有。"],["張委員宏陸：幾乎都會有比較多啦！對不對？你的資訊沒有確實，不管有沒有行人或是有車禍，你的資訊沒有確實，你如何去改善真正重點在哪裡？我的重點是在這裡。"],["林部長右昌：好，謝謝。"],["張委員宏陸：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝張宏陸委員。再來我們請牛煦庭委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":152,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-1-15,23-1","speakers":["吳琪銘","黃捷","黃建賓","蘇巧慧","李昆澤","張宏陸","牛煦庭","麥玉珍","許宇甄","王美惠","黃健豪","林俊憲","蔡其昌","徐富癸","何欣純","林沛祥","楊瓊瓔","徐欣瑩","廖先翔","吳思瑤","黃珊珊","游顥","洪申翰","李柏毅","陳冠廷","吳沛憶","陳素月","魯明哲","黃仁","劉建國","林國成","張智倫","丁學忠","林月琴","張雅琳"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-03-27"],"gazette_id":"1132101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1132101_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政、交通委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄","content":"審查「行人交通安全設施條例草案」(一)行政院函請審議「行人交通安全設施條例草案」案；\n(二)委員黃捷等16人擬具「行人交通安全設施條例草案」案","agenda_id":"1132101_00001"}},"transcript":{"id":"150450","pyannote":{"name":"ronny","tool":"pyannote","data":{"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150450","tool":"pyannote","id":"150450-pyannote"},"job_id":"2kXJq1ThC8JkDnxa","queued_at":"2024-06-01 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00:02:15,909\n有,當然就是自行規劃的權利。問題就來了。我們中央有沒有一個統一的標準給他們?有。工程的設計標準都有。現在是說對民眾來講,如果地方的這個規劃單位,它如果只是從單純的道路設計的角度來看,\n\n7\n00:02:16,482 --> 00:02:16,502\n﹐廣告\n\n8\n00:02:38,215 --> 00:03:02,154\n委員,跟你報告一下,我們大概有幾個機制,一個是由上而下,一個由下而上。由上而下的話就是我們交通部有列管全國依照式的這個路口的清單,所以這個是最優先的對象。第二個是我們有一些在今年年底之前要完成的這些路口,因為這個就是各地方政府所提出來的比較優先的部分。\n\n9\n00:03:02,834 --> 00:03:12,342\n由下而上的話就是剛才提到全民參與的這個公安的一個平台所以讓他有不同的一個機制可以把需要改善的這個地方可以提出來\n\n10\n00:03:14,127 --> 00:03:16,188\n民眾投票先來告訴政府哪些路段哪些路口是最優先的。\n\n11\n00:03:33,061 --> 00:04:00,322\n那這樣的話我們也可以在審查地方提案的時候做一個很重要的一個參考跟我們補充我知道但我的問題的重點是雖然這個民眾說哪個路口要先優先改善要先解決但是地方政府他在規劃設計的時候啊你們中央沒有給他一套標準我跟你講你錢到地方啊絕對是每個人設計都不一樣我就再舉一個例子\n\n12\n00:04:01,636 --> 00:04:15,833\n像我們板橋的長江路我也質詢過了對不對我們好不容易花了給地方政府給新北市政府這麼多錢那他亂搞亂設計那你們國土署也沒他的辦法啊\n\n13\n00:04:17,188 --> 00:04:34,485\n對不對我很擔心未來的這筆錢你到地方地方啊他可能啊有的縣市首長他覺得啊這筆錢啊他要這個我們是改善行人的交通安全這筆錢不是改善市容的景觀\n\n14\n00:04:35,765 --> 00:05:02,125\n他到時候會生出來行人的安全並不是第一搞不好他把人行道設計得他想要的多漂亮怎樣但不符合人民的使用這一點我今天要問的這一點才是重點我相信縣市首長每個人都有每個人自己的想法對不對但我們要的是給用路人的安全而已給行人的安全而已我覺得這一點我們要去想辦法有沒有一個規範\n\n15\n00:05:05,903 --> 00:05:05,923\n韓國瑜\n\n16\n00:05:26,483 --> 00:05:26,783\n議員黃捷等16人擬具\n\n17\n00:05:42,930 --> 00:06:01,014\n市長,我知道你的意思。我想我們會在審查的時候會特別注意這一部分,因為我們是希望透過這樣子的一個機制還有包括我們訂定出來的相關的一個要求來讓地方政府能夠真正的去\n\n18\n00:06:01,835 --> 00:06:03,336\n對啦我的意思就是部長\n\n19\n00:06:17,673 --> 00:06:36,127\n錢要花在刀口上你這個400億下去我們是要解決所有行人的安全而不是讓地方首長又是自己去發想自己說我們要訂出一個規範啊你們在審查也要這樣子我覺得這筆錢花的才有意義啊不然剛剛署長所說的哇那個我民眾我要什麼我跟你講你\n\n20\n00:06:37,588 --> 00:06:52,882\n錢都先給了,那你地方政府反應可以到你國土署,人家地方政府不理你,你有什麼用?你反而被人家罵而已啊,我反應給國土署,國土署都沒有辦法叫縣市首長去處理啊。這是一個我們必須要注意的。再來啦齁,這個啊,剛剛部長有講啦齁,這個我們會有什麼特別啊危險的地方我們優先改善啦齁,但我要這邊也要一個啊齁,\n\n21\n00:07:04,474 --> 00:07:11,478\n我們這個地方上傳的資料發生車禍的資料都準確嗎?上傳的資料因為這個造勢的這些地點它基本上是警政的系統發生之後它做了相關的一個調查之後來彙整所以基本上應該是準確才對\n\n22\n00:07:31,872 --> 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