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00:02:43,321\n委員這樣子的一個這個方向當然是很好不過也要跟委員報告一下因為每一個道路的一個環境大小還有它的層級都不一所以在母法裡面可能不適合放進去但是在細則的部分我們會來另做相關的一個處理\n\n9\n00:02:45,514 --> 00:02:59,509\n所以就是根據那個行政院版本行人交通安全設施條例也沒有硬性規定要設置人行道會放在細則裡面這樣的重點在哪裡\n\n10\n00:03:07,871 --> 00:03:17,377\n會放在細則裡面來規範。母法底下會有細則。我們這個法通過之後,我們會再定這個施行細則,那會在施行細則裡面來做處理。母法通過之後,我們就會在施行細則裡面來定這個部分。\n\n11\n00:03:33,285 --> 00:03:33,785\n議員黃玉珍議員\n\n12\n00:03:54,071 --> 00:03:56,353\n這個在我們的設施標準裡面已經有了。\n\n13\n00:04:16,087 --> 00:04:22,943\n所以如果是這樣子再請部長再看下面這幾張照片剛才我們的其他的委員都說到\n\n14\n00:04:24,201 --> 00:04:29,363\n所以有很多委員也寫著反應說誰願意把這樣子的那個就是變電箱啊電線桿啊放在自己的家嘛所以在這樣子的說還要在地方溝通溝通到什麼時候還不知道所以說直接要在人行道上變成就是行人反而要繞道而過所以這樣會不會造成很多人的危險\n\n15\n00:04:54,860 --> 00:05:23,039\n委員會可以報告比如說像這張圖這張照片的話它應該是這個這個設施的部分它顯在這個地方那因為這個地方這個畫的這個是標線型的人行道它有幾種處理方式因為它要嘛就把這個設施移走不然就是它把標誌型的人行道畫寬一點不然這種畫法是不連續的那人也沒辦法這樣子走\n\n16\n00:05:23,419 --> 00:05:48,944\n是,但是是你們畫的。不是州政府畫的,這個不曉得是哪個地方政府的。對,但是也是我們交通部這邊也是要那個,對不對。這個不曉得是哪一個市政府,是台北還是哪一個。民權東路6段的話,這個台北市政府畫的。是,所以這個也是要覺得這樣子是合理嘛,你是要改變嘛,是不是。\n\n17\n00:05:50,963 --> 00:06:13,800\n所以說要劃寬但是呢還是一樣對這樣子的人行道這樣子也很危險啊你劃寬也是到馬路上嘛他這個是標誌型的人行道標線型的人行道啊要嘛因為他旁邊有劃紅線嘛他要不然他就是把這個標線型的人行道他把它換寬嘛劃寬的時候就就沒有這個問題\n\n18\n00:06:15,257 --> 00:06:40,059\n所以你是說劃寬就是讓人行就是要跑到馬路旁邊再過來?不是,劃寬之後它就不是馬路了,它就是人行道的這個標示,把它劃寬。對,人行道在走路也是不安全。所以我剛剛說嘛,因為是先有那個設施,這個標線型人行道是後來才劃的。\n\n19\n00:06:40,660 --> 00:07:06,983\n所以他也是政府如果要處理這個事情要嘛他就把設施搬走要嘛他就把人行道標線型人行道把它劃寬就不會造成說到了這個地方斷掉的這個情形是所以這個是交通部要去規劃的路線不是說因為他們的話這樣不應該對不對不應該這樣子但是已經有了這是地方政府的權責啦這是地方政府的權責要改善對\n\n20\n00:07:08,810 --> 00:07:28,897\n所以這個我們的交通部這邊是要去監督還能去改善不能說我們在這邊說就會改善其實我跟你報告這個政府分層負責地方政府有地方政府的權責那像這個的話這個照片一出來我相信地方議會的議員一定質詢會問市政府\n\n21\n00:07:32,518 --> 00:07:39,181\n所以市政府一定當然他必須要去改善不是什麼事情都中央交通部要我們認為啦人行道上的障礙物應該要清除所以就是像這樣子的電箱啊電線桿啊這種都是不能佔用人行道也是說人行道就不應該有其他的使用我們必須要保障人行道的寬度最少要有\n\n22\n00:08:01,511 --> 00:08:01,531\n議員黃碧雲議員\n\n23\n00:08:11,451 --> 00:08:15,253\n需要這些規定所以今天不管是開什麼車的人或者就是只要我們下車就是行人所以呢我們都希望創造一個行人友善的環境不僅是趨於就是安全的考量也是為了提升我們生活品質我希望相關的單位可以積極的面對也並主動而且積極來改善我們目前的情況\n\n24\n00:08:41,798 --> 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--> 00:14.908\n謝謝主席有請部長交通部處長\n\n00:24.798 --> 00:40.776\n關於行政院提出的行人交通安全測試的條例部分首先相信台灣要回歸到就是以人為本的交通還要需要一段時間因為目前我們都還以\n\n00:41.978 --> 01:02.295\n發款的方式來規範人民但是工程跟教育的部分還是非常重要的而且我們目前看到的院版的內容幾乎還沒有能到充分的保障行人的權益首先我們來看這幾張照片針對這些照片請問部長你有什麼看法\n\n01:10.620 --> 01:13.855\n這個看起來應該還在施工的一個工地\n\n01:15.957 --> 01:18.818\n對但是相信這樣的施工封閉情況在臺灣應該要到處都看到了所以根據我們現在的規定施工或者就是養護的期間相關單位應該要做的就是交為計劃在施工的時間設立就是行人道臨時的行人道但是\n\n01:42.884 --> 02:01.256\n刑法規定對於這些的臨時人行道的標準幾乎不明確。導致沒什麼人在遵守了。我們建議應該明確的規定任何單位如果要施工或者是養護的時間應該設置臨時人行道。\n\n02:07.008 --> 02:11.474\n扣除道路的設施障礙屋外並根據行人的樣態規劃無障礙的空間以確保所有人的通行安全。部長你同意嗎?\n\n02:26.327 --> 02:43.321\n委員這樣子的一個這個方向當然是很好不過也要跟委員報告一下因為每一個道路的一個環境大小還有它的層級都不一所以在母法裡面可能不適合放進去但是在細則的部分我們會來另做相關的一個處理\n\n02:45.514 --> 02:59.509\n所以就是根據那個行政院版本行人交通安全設施條例也沒有硬性規定要設置人行道會放在細則裡面這樣的重點在哪裡\n\n03:07.871 --> 03:17.377\n會放在細則裡面來規範。母法底下會有細則。我們這個法通過之後,我們會再定這個施行細則,那會在施行細則裡面來做處理。母法通過之後,我們就會在施行細則裡面來定這個部分。\n\n03:33.285 --> 03:33.785\n議員黃玉珍議員\n\n03:54.071 --> 03:56.353\n這個在我們的設施標準裡面已經有了。\n\n04:16.087 --> 04:22.943\n所以如果是這樣子再請部長再看下面這幾張照片剛才我們的其他的委員都說到\n\n04:24.201 --> 04:29.363\n所以有很多委員也寫著反應說誰願意把這樣子的那個就是變電箱啊電線桿啊放在自己的家嘛所以在這樣子的說還要在地方溝通溝通到什麼時候還不知道所以說直接要在人行道上變成就是行人反而要繞道而過所以這樣會不會造成很多人的危險\n\n04:54.860 --> 05:23.039\n委員會可以報告比如說像這張圖這張照片的話它應該是這個這個設施的部分它顯在這個地方那因為這個地方這個畫的這個是標線型的人行道它有幾種處理方式因為它要嘛就把這個設施移走不然就是它把標誌型的人行道畫寬一點不然這種畫法是不連續的那人也沒辦法這樣子走\n\n05:23.419 --> 05:48.944\n是,但是是你們畫的。不是州政府畫的,這個不曉得是哪個地方政府的。對,但是也是我們交通部這邊也是要那個,對不對。這個不曉得是哪一個市政府,是台北還是哪一個。民權東路6段的話,這個台北市政府畫的。是,所以這個也是要覺得這樣子是合理嘛,你是要改變嘛,是不是。\n\n05:50.963 --> 06:13.800\n所以說要劃寬但是呢還是一樣對這樣子的人行道這樣子也很危險啊你劃寬也是到馬路上嘛他這個是標誌型的人行道標線型的人行道啊要嘛因為他旁邊有劃紅線嘛他要不然他就是把這個標線型的人行道他把它換寬嘛劃寬的時候就就沒有這個問題\n\n06:15.257 --> 06:40.059\n所以你是說劃寬就是讓人行就是要跑到馬路旁邊再過來?不是,劃寬之後它就不是馬路了,它就是人行道的這個標示,把它劃寬。對,人行道在走路也是不安全。所以我剛剛說嘛,因為是先有那個設施,這個標線型人行道是後來才劃的。\n\n06:40.660 --> 07:06.983\n所以他也是政府如果要處理這個事情要嘛他就把設施搬走要嘛他就把人行道標線型人行道把它劃寬就不會造成說到了這個地方斷掉的這個情形是所以這個是交通部要去規劃的路線不是說因為他們的話這樣不應該對不對不應該這樣子但是已經有了這是地方政府的權責啦這是地方政府的權責要改善對\n\n07:08.810 --> 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