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00:02:39,775\n以廣告產業為例雖然是文創產業裡頭相對賺錢的產業但是近來其實有一些小小陰霾就是在疫情期間稍微下降但其實這個產業是含金量非常高的創意也非常的好\n\n8\n00:02:40,556 --> 00:03:07,769\n持續下降的過程可能面臨到一些風險包含某一些國際大的平台可能會開始把廣告代理業務收回去自己做創意跟文化的成分會在廣告行業裡面變得越來越重要尤其全世界最大的廣告集團WPP開始跟這個NVIDIA合作全台灣全世界最大的單一集團之一電通也開始擁抱AI所以廣告產業會越來越智慧越來越創意會變成一個非常非常重要的一個文化的部分\n\n9\n00:03:08,869 --> 00:03:18,945\n想請教一下這個有沒有去了解廣告產業成長進步或者未來扶植的一些做法還有他現在的這個成長的狀況\n\n10\n00:03:21,886 --> 00:03:38,378\n委員您是專家啦那廣告產業確實在這幾年應該是有非常巨大的變化因為通路啦等等方式都改變像就文化部來講我們最了解的就是說其實因為網路跟OTT的產生事實上在電視的廣告的\n\n11\n00:03:39,639 --> 00:04:04,833\n以助大幅的下降轉達到網路沒錯,數位化、網路化的程度越來越提高這個就會改變網路本身內容的形式那我也同意說從廣義來講廣告的產業確實是廣義的文化產業的一環因為它確實是應用了非常多的內容謝謝部長我時間有限我們來看真的很感動文化部的部長了解的程度很高而且也非常關心但是我們問文化部\n\n12\n00:04:05,213 --> 00:04:32,123\n文化部的回覆是廣告產業的主管機關是經濟部應該是經濟部要去了解跟關心但我可以告訴部長據了解主管機關經濟部也不太了解相關的產業現在變動的原因想請教一下部長文化部剛剛部長也認同其實廣告也非常重要我們在過去扶植我國的廣告產業提出了哪些措施有沒有給予一些獎補助就你所知經濟部有沒有提出相關扶植廣告產業的措施\n\n13\n00:04:34,555 --> 00:05:00,616\n經濟部有沒有提供廣告產業所有措施?我不知道,文化部我也承認過去我們確實對廣告產業事實上是比較沒有設定謝謝部長我們上一次會面的時候我就謝提過了也謝謝您的答案是一致的調查以後發現兩個部會都未針對廣告產業可以任何的扶植跟講注的措施不僅如此文化部和經濟部還互踢皮球認為對方都是才是應該要負責扶植廣告產業的人部長\n\n14\n00:05:01,717 --> 00:05:27,804\n廣告被譽為文化的櫥窗廣告也決定了人的生活型態我認為目前即便這個主管機關有一些這個雙頭馬車有好有壞的問題但是我真的希望能夠持續的要關注雖然目前主責不屬於文化部的主管但是應該不要把它排除在福祉文化產業文創產業大門之外甚至要把它納入進來為什麼我想跟您報告一下\n\n15\n00:05:28,744 --> 00:05:46,015\n我這裡幫你統計了近五年三金是我們很重要的文化活動嘛對不對三金的獲獎情形金馬獎最佳導演的得獎者五位當中以前就是拍廣告的金鐘獎戲劇節目導演獎最佳得獎者五位以前四位是從廣告導演拍攝出來的\n\n16\n00:05:47,176 --> 00:05:59,121\n金曲獎最佳MV得獎作品一樣也是有四位是從過去拍攝廣告出來的更不用說其他的幕後人員這些人才都是互相流動的廣告業可以說是培養優秀影視音甚至電影產業的工作者的搖籃是相互輝映的\n\n17\n00:06:03,843 --> 00:06:04,083\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議\n\n18\n00:06:19,733 --> 00:06:29,880\n我們這樣殺雞取卵那這批人才往上晉升變得很有名了拍電影了去做更多的事情了那我們新的廣告導演要從哪裡來所以我認為這樣的一個斷鏈真的不是我們樂見的同時我們再看廣告產業還有很棒的國際能見度\n\n19\n00:06:36,638 --> 00:06:58,750\n我們可以看到他在2022年廣告業的外銷收入跟去年相比成長率到達24.09%而且有越來越多的創意在這裡頭持續發生但是亞洲地區大規模的廣告盛會每兩年舉辦一次的AtAsia的亞洲廣告會議去年盛大在韓國首爾舉行2025年預計在澳門舉辦距離上一次2021年在澳門舉辦只有4年的時間請問部長您知道這樣的一個非常大的\n\n20\n00:07:06,594 --> 00:07:33,960\n創意的廣告的活動上一次在台灣舉辦是哪一年嗎很抱歉我確實不知道2015年距離現在已經真的是越來越遠了那我想現在就算積極爭取預計下一次在台灣舉辦說不定還要再10年文化藝術提升國家能見度是非常非常重要的廣告可不可以請部長承諾無論是由文化部主導或是由經濟部主導文化部協助我們能不能夠積極的爭取類似像ADASIA這樣由我們來主辦\n\n21\n00:07:35,020 --> 00:07:59,140\n另外,台灣本身每兩年也會舉辦一次DGAsia的數位亞洲大會這是一個亞洲地區的常態性的創意數位的大會以數位行銷為主軸聚集來自全世界各地的科技管理創意的人才是不是也能夠請文化部支持希望能夠進一步提升我們在傳播行銷創意文化創意的產業在國際上的知名度以及讓大家可以看見台灣\n\n22\n00:08:00,885 --> 00:08:26,224\n是謝謝委員我想我們跟數位內容有overlap那我們跟廣告產業在文化內容上也overlap這個我承認所以如果要來支持要求文化部參與共同的支持我想這個我們也都願意不過我也必須要坦承恐怕這個可能是要跨部會大家來共同不能文化部越主帶跑這個因為全世界的文化部\n\n23\n00:08:26,644 --> 00:08:47,201\n那我只好下一次再來問院長喔但是文化部部長您支持嘛對不對好OK非常感謝但是我想文創這一塊文化部還是非常的重要再拜託文化部一定要來多多加以關注那再來呢我想我先給部長看一下這張圖片請問您知道這什麼卡通角色嗎應該是小美人魚小美人魚嗎您覺得他幾歲\n\n24\n00:08:55,083 --> 00:09:13,873\n你覺得他是人還是動物?我沒有想過這個問題所以這是一個非常模糊難以定義的問題不好意思剛剛都已經有非常多委員在關注了我就非常迅速啦我是阿宅我還是要再問一次這個問題我們剛剛在會議當中所提到虛擬兒少突發案件的判斷標準\n\n25\n00:09:14,753 --> 00:09:22,241\n包含包括角色認為為兒少圖畫內容客觀上足以引起信譽或羞恥等等請問部長認為這樣的判斷標準真的已經足夠明確作為案件認定的參考依據了嗎剛剛部長顯然也是猶豫了一下甚至可能還會猶豫更久\n\n26\n00:09:31,070 --> 00:09:49,489\n漫畫的角色真的是形形色色動畫也是神隱少女的白龍外表12歲實際上代表一條河他可能是幾千年的年齡我們要怎麼判斷兒少是不是呢那事實上接下來可能還有更多美少女戰士我們就先待會再看\n\n27\n00:09:50,470 --> 00:10:08,276\n總而言之針對這個會議的結論這個未來相關的案件竟然是建議有可能要由地方政府來進行認定我們剛剛看到的這些動畫的內容包含小美人與未來可能在台灣台北看得到高雄看不到台中可能只能看一半部長您覺得這樣的方針是對的嗎\n\n28\n00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:23,736\n我想他的意思應該不是兩個縣市採取不同的標準而是地方政府進行認定檢舉的時候的問題我站在文化部的立場我只能說\n\n29\n00:10:25,638 --> 00:10:49,623\n我覺得兒少的課題是一個我們要共同面對的課題我們不迴避這個課題我也認為可以討論討論的過程當中我們希望能夠盡量撐起這個不妨礙創作的空間但是我覺得不能迴避討論這件事情所以對於地方自行判定您不認同嗎我覺得地方自行判定可能是目前在法制上有這個程序但是不應該形成一國兩制這個我同意\n\n30\n00:10:50,694 --> 00:11:16,943\n好謝謝最後我想提醒部長文化部作為漫畫產業的主管機關真的有非常多人非常關注今天的質詢對此議題的立場跟態度幾乎關乎整個產業的發展我想文化部真的應該要來替所有的漫畫創作者發聲我自己是阿宅我是讀者超級讀者所以我真的也是要替大家發聲漫畫創作者的本意絕對不是希望自己的作品跟犯罪有所連結我們期待文化部能夠以維護創作自由為前提和衛福部來共同合作\n\n31\n00:11:19,944 --> 00:11:20,284\n謝謝葛如鈞委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n410\t2514\t那葛如鈞委員質詢完我們休息5分鐘\n28502\t49096\t主席有請文化部史哲部長謝謝有請部長委員好部長好我們上一次見面相談甚歡今天在這個場合還可以再跟您聊聊真的很高興謝謝部長文化部委託臺北教育大學所做的這一份非常豐富的報告\n50377\t71433\t臺灣文化創意產業發展20年關鍵報告3月20日剛出爐不曉得你看過了嗎我坦白講我還沒有沒關係我們今天就簡要的了解一下其中有一個內容非常有意思就是對於我們2010年通過的文化創意產業發展法它的分法有一些看法\n72233\t99539\t在這裡面說聯合國教科文組織去用一個產業價值鏈的方式做文化循環來定義希望讓它能夠簡化建議將我們現在有的15項的文創產業應該併到更少的領域來做更精準的一個扶植跟管理包含文化資產應用、藝術、影音圖文等等我想到底是不是這些類別我覺得也不是很重要重點是我們現在的這個做法\n100399\t119173\t也許是有修正方向的我們看一下依據文化部2023年所發布的行政命令目前我們文化產業的主管機關其實是非常多的包含文化部、經濟部、內政部、數位部等等的4個部會15加1項裡面有高達4個中央目的的事業主管機關\n120677\t122919\t兩頭馬車可以跑得比較快結果斷開鎖鏈馬繼續跑結果那個產業沒有在動我們來看一下這個例子其實都非常清楚我們舉一個產業叫做廣告產業\n145475\t159775\t以廣告產業為例雖然是文創產業裡頭相對賺錢的產業但是近來其實有一些小小陰霾就是在疫情期間稍微下降但其實這個產業是含金量非常高的創意也非常的好\n160556\t187769\t持續下降的過程可能面臨到一些風險包含某一些國際大的平台可能會開始把廣告代理業務收回去自己做創意跟文化的成分會在廣告行業裡面變得越來越重要尤其全世界最大的廣告集團WPP開始跟這個NVIDIA合作全台灣全世界最大的單一集團之一電通也開始擁抱AI所以廣告產業會越來越智慧越來越創意會變成一個非常非常重要的一個文化的部分\n188869\t198945\t想請教一下這個有沒有去了解廣告產業成長進步或者未來扶植的一些做法還有他現在的這個成長的狀況\n201886\t218378\t委員您是專家啦那廣告產業確實在這幾年應該是有非常巨大的變化因為通路啦等等方式都改變像就文化部來講我們最了解的就是說其實因為網路跟OTT的產生事實上在電視的廣告的\n219639\t244833\t以助大幅的下降轉達到網路沒錯,數位化、網路化的程度越來越提高這個就會改變網路本身內容的形式那我也同意說從廣義來講廣告的產業確實是廣義的文化產業的一環因為它確實是應用了非常多的內容謝謝部長我時間有限我們來看真的很感動文化部的部長了解的程度很高而且也非常關心但是我們問文化部\n245213\t272123\t文化部的回覆是廣告產業的主管機關是經濟部應該是經濟部要去了解跟關心但我可以告訴部長據了解主管機關經濟部也不太了解相關的產業現在變動的原因想請教一下部長文化部剛剛部長也認同其實廣告也非常重要我們在過去扶植我國的廣告產業提出了哪些措施有沒有給予一些獎補助就你所知經濟部有沒有提出相關扶植廣告產業的措施\n274555\t300616\t經濟部有沒有提供廣告產業所有措施?我不知道,文化部我也承認過去我們確實對廣告產業事實上是比較沒有設定謝謝部長我們上一次會面的時候我就謝提過了也謝謝您的答案是一致的調查以後發現兩個部會都未針對廣告產業可以任何的扶植跟講注的措施不僅如此文化部和經濟部還互踢皮球認為對方都是才是應該要負責扶植廣告產業的人部長\n301717\t327804\t廣告被譽為文化的櫥窗廣告也決定了人的生活型態我認為目前即便這個主管機關有一些這個雙頭馬車有好有壞的問題但是我真的希望能夠持續的要關注雖然目前主責不屬於文化部的主管但是應該不要把它排除在福祉文化產業文創產業大門之外甚至要把它納入進來為什麼我想跟您報告一下\n328744\t346015\t我這裡幫你統計了近五年三金是我們很重要的文化活動嘛對不對三金的獲獎情形金馬獎最佳導演的得獎者五位當中以前就是拍廣告的金鐘獎戲劇節目導演獎最佳得獎者五位以前四位是從廣告導演拍攝出來的\n347176\t359121\t金曲獎最佳MV得獎作品一樣也是有四位是從過去拍攝廣告出來的更不用說其他的幕後人員這些人才都是互相流動的廣告業可以說是培養優秀影視音甚至電影產業的工作者的搖籃是相互輝映的\n363843\t364083\t二月27日及28日二天一次會議\n379733\t389880\t我們這樣殺雞取卵那這批人才往上晉升變得很有名了拍電影了去做更多的事情了那我們新的廣告導演要從哪裡來所以我認為這樣的一個斷鏈真的不是我們樂見的同時我們再看廣告產業還有很棒的國際能見度\n396638\t418750\t我們可以看到他在2022年廣告業的外銷收入跟去年相比成長率到達24.09%而且有越來越多的創意在這裡頭持續發生但是亞洲地區大規模的廣告盛會每兩年舉辦一次的At Asia的亞洲廣告會議去年盛大在韓國首爾舉行2025年預計在澳門舉辦距離上一次2021年在澳門舉辦只有4年的時間請問部長您知道這樣的一個非常大的\n426594\t453960\t創意的廣告的活動上一次在台灣舉辦是哪一年嗎很抱歉我確實不知道2015年距離現在已經真的是越來越遠了那我想現在就算積極爭取預計下一次在台灣舉辦說不定還要再10年文化藝術提升國家能見度是非常非常重要的廣告可不可以請部長承諾無論是由文化部主導或是由經濟部主導文化部協助我們能不能夠積極的爭取類似像AD ASIA這樣由我們來主辦\n455020\t479140\t另外,台灣本身每兩年也會舉辦一次DG Asia的數位亞洲大會這是一個亞洲地區的常態性的創意數位的大會以數位行銷為主軸聚集來自全世界各地的科技管理創意的人才是不是也能夠請文化部支持希望能夠進一步提升我們在傳播行銷創意文化創意的產業在國際上的知名度以及讓大家可以看見台灣\n480885\t506224\t是 謝謝委員我想我們跟數位內容有overlap那我們跟廣告產業在文化內容上也overlap這個我承認所以如果要來支持要求文化部參與共同的支持我想這個我們也都願意不過我也必須要坦承恐怕這個可能是要跨部會大家來共同不能文化部越主帶跑這個因為全世界的文化部\n506644\t527201\t那我只好下一次再來問院長喔但是文化部部長您支持嘛對不對好OK非常感謝但是我想文創這一塊文化部還是非常的重要再拜託文化部一定要來多多加以關注那再來呢我想我先給部長看一下這張圖片請問您知道這什麼卡通角色嗎應該是小美人魚小美人魚嗎您覺得他幾歲\n535083\t553873\t你覺得他是人還是動物?我沒有想過這個問題所以這是一個非常模糊難以定義的問題不好意思剛剛都已經有非常多委員在關注了我就非常迅速啦我是阿宅我還是要再問一次這個問題我們剛剛在會議當中所提到虛擬兒少突發案件的判斷標準\n554753\t562241\t包含包括角色認為為兒少圖畫內容客觀上足以引起信譽或羞恥等等請問部長認為這樣的判斷標準真的已經足夠明確作為案件認定的參考依據了嗎剛剛部長顯然也是猶豫了一下甚至可能還會猶豫更久\n571070\t589489\t漫畫的角色真的是形形色色動畫也是神隱少女的白龍外表12歲實際上代表一條河他可能是幾千年的年齡我們要怎麼判斷兒少是不是呢那事實上接下來可能還有更多美少女戰士我們就先待會再看\n590470\t608276\t總而言之針對這個會議的結論這個未來相關的案件竟然是建議有可能要由地方政府來進行認定我們剛剛看到的這些動畫的內容包含小美人與未來可能在台灣台北看得到高雄看不到台中可能只能看一半部長您覺得這樣的方針是對的嗎\n609600\t623736\t我想他的意思應該不是兩個縣市採取不同的標準而是地方政府進行認定檢舉的時候的問題我站在文化部的立場我只能說\n625638\t649623\t我覺得兒少的課題是一個我們要共同面對的課題我們不迴避這個課題我也認為可以討論討論的過程當中我們希望能夠盡量撐起這個不妨礙創作的空間但是我覺得不能迴避討論這件事情所以對於地方自行判定您不認同嗎我覺得地方自行判定可能是目前在法制上有這個程序但是不應該形成一國兩制這個我同意\n650694\t676943\t好 謝謝最後我想提醒部長文化部作為漫畫產業的主管機關真的有非常多人非常關注今天的質詢對此議題的立場跟態度幾乎關乎整個產業的發展我想文化部真的應該要來替所有的漫畫創作者發聲我自己是阿宅我是讀者超級讀者所以我真的也是要替大家發聲漫畫創作者的本意絕對不是希望自己的作品跟犯罪有所連結我們期待文化部能夠以維護創作自由為前提和衛福部來共同合作\n679944\t680284\t謝謝葛如鈞委員\n","txt":"那葛如鈞委員質詢完我們休息5分鐘\n主席有請文化部史哲部長謝謝有請部長委員好部長好我們上一次見面相談甚歡今天在這個場合還可以再跟您聊聊真的很高興謝謝部長文化部委託臺北教育大學所做的這一份非常豐富的報告\n臺灣文化創意產業發展20年關鍵報告3月20日剛出爐不曉得你看過了嗎我坦白講我還沒有沒關係我們今天就簡要的了解一下其中有一個內容非常有意思就是對於我們2010年通過的文化創意產業發展法它的分法有一些看法\n在這裡面說聯合國教科文組織去用一個產業價值鏈的方式做文化循環來定義希望讓它能夠簡化建議將我們現在有的15項的文創產業應該併到更少的領域來做更精準的一個扶植跟管理包含文化資產應用、藝術、影音圖文等等我想到底是不是這些類別我覺得也不是很重要重點是我們現在的這個做法\n也許是有修正方向的我們看一下依據文化部2023年所發布的行政命令目前我們文化產業的主管機關其實是非常多的包含文化部、經濟部、內政部、數位部等等的4個部會15加1項裡面有高達4個中央目的的事業主管機關\n兩頭馬車可以跑得比較快結果斷開鎖鏈馬繼續跑結果那個產業沒有在動我們來看一下這個例子其實都非常清楚我們舉一個產業叫做廣告產業\n以廣告產業為例雖然是文創產業裡頭相對賺錢的產業但是近來其實有一些小小陰霾就是在疫情期間稍微下降但其實這個產業是含金量非常高的創意也非常的好\n持續下降的過程可能面臨到一些風險包含某一些國際大的平台可能會開始把廣告代理業務收回去自己做創意跟文化的成分會在廣告行業裡面變得越來越重要尤其全世界最大的廣告集團WPP開始跟這個NVIDIA合作全台灣全世界最大的單一集團之一電通也開始擁抱AI所以廣告產業會越來越智慧越來越創意會變成一個非常非常重要的一個文化的部分\n想請教一下這個有沒有去了解廣告產業成長進步或者未來扶植的一些做法還有他現在的這個成長的狀況\n委員您是專家啦那廣告產業確實在這幾年應該是有非常巨大的變化因為通路啦等等方式都改變像就文化部來講我們最了解的就是說其實因為網路跟OTT的產生事實上在電視的廣告的\n以助大幅的下降轉達到網路沒錯,數位化、網路化的程度越來越提高這個就會改變網路本身內容的形式那我也同意說從廣義來講廣告的產業確實是廣義的文化產業的一環因為它確實是應用了非常多的內容謝謝部長我時間有限我們來看真的很感動文化部的部長了解的程度很高而且也非常關心但是我們問文化部\n文化部的回覆是廣告產業的主管機關是經濟部應該是經濟部要去了解跟關心但我可以告訴部長據了解主管機關經濟部也不太了解相關的產業現在變動的原因想請教一下部長文化部剛剛部長也認同其實廣告也非常重要我們在過去扶植我國的廣告產業提出了哪些措施有沒有給予一些獎補助就你所知經濟部有沒有提出相關扶植廣告產業的措施\n經濟部有沒有提供廣告產業所有措施?我不知道,文化部我也承認過去我們確實對廣告產業事實上是比較沒有設定謝謝部長我們上一次會面的時候我就謝提過了也謝謝您的答案是一致的調查以後發現兩個部會都未針對廣告產業可以任何的扶植跟講注的措施不僅如此文化部和經濟部還互踢皮球認為對方都是才是應該要負責扶植廣告產業的人部長\n廣告被譽為文化的櫥窗廣告也決定了人的生活型態我認為目前即便這個主管機關有一些這個雙頭馬車有好有壞的問題但是我真的希望能夠持續的要關注雖然目前主責不屬於文化部的主管但是應該不要把它排除在福祉文化產業文創產業大門之外甚至要把它納入進來為什麼我想跟您報告一下\n我這裡幫你統計了近五年三金是我們很重要的文化活動嘛對不對三金的獲獎情形金馬獎最佳導演的得獎者五位當中以前就是拍廣告的金鐘獎戲劇節目導演獎最佳得獎者五位以前四位是從廣告導演拍攝出來的\n金曲獎最佳MV得獎作品一樣也是有四位是從過去拍攝廣告出來的更不用說其他的幕後人員這些人才都是互相流動的廣告業可以說是培養優秀影視音甚至電影產業的工作者的搖籃是相互輝映的\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議\n我們這樣殺雞取卵那這批人才往上晉升變得很有名了拍電影了去做更多的事情了那我們新的廣告導演要從哪裡來所以我認為這樣的一個斷鏈真的不是我們樂見的同時我們再看廣告產業還有很棒的國際能見度\n我們可以看到他在2022年廣告業的外銷收入跟去年相比成長率到達24.09%而且有越來越多的創意在這裡頭持續發生但是亞洲地區大規模的廣告盛會每兩年舉辦一次的At Asia的亞洲廣告會議去年盛大在韓國首爾舉行2025年預計在澳門舉辦距離上一次2021年在澳門舉辦只有4年的時間請問部長您知道這樣的一個非常大的\n創意的廣告的活動上一次在台灣舉辦是哪一年嗎很抱歉我確實不知道2015年距離現在已經真的是越來越遠了那我想現在就算積極爭取預計下一次在台灣舉辦說不定還要再10年文化藝術提升國家能見度是非常非常重要的廣告可不可以請部長承諾無論是由文化部主導或是由經濟部主導文化部協助我們能不能夠積極的爭取類似像AD ASIA這樣由我們來主辦\n另外,台灣本身每兩年也會舉辦一次DG Asia的數位亞洲大會這是一個亞洲地區的常態性的創意數位的大會以數位行銷為主軸聚集來自全世界各地的科技管理創意的人才是不是也能夠請文化部支持希望能夠進一步提升我們在傳播行銷創意文化創意的產業在國際上的知名度以及讓大家可以看見台灣\n是 謝謝委員我想我們跟數位內容有overlap那我們跟廣告產業在文化內容上也overlap這個我承認所以如果要來支持要求文化部參與共同的支持我想這個我們也都願意不過我也必須要坦承恐怕這個可能是要跨部會大家來共同不能文化部越主帶跑這個因為全世界的文化部\n那我只好下一次再來問院長喔但是文化部部長您支持嘛對不對好OK非常感謝但是我想文創這一塊文化部還是非常的重要再拜託文化部一定要來多多加以關注那再來呢我想我先給部長看一下這張圖片請問您知道這什麼卡通角色嗎應該是小美人魚小美人魚嗎您覺得他幾歲\n你覺得他是人還是動物?我沒有想過這個問題所以這是一個非常模糊難以定義的問題不好意思剛剛都已經有非常多委員在關注了我就非常迅速啦我是阿宅我還是要再問一次這個問題我們剛剛在會議當中所提到虛擬兒少突發案件的判斷標準\n包含包括角色認為為兒少圖畫內容客觀上足以引起信譽或羞恥等等請問部長認為這樣的判斷標準真的已經足夠明確作為案件認定的參考依據了嗎剛剛部長顯然也是猶豫了一下甚至可能還會猶豫更久\n漫畫的角色真的是形形色色動畫也是神隱少女的白龍外表12歲實際上代表一條河他可能是幾千年的年齡我們要怎麼判斷兒少是不是呢那事實上接下來可能還有更多美少女戰士我們就先待會再看\n總而言之針對這個會議的結論這個未來相關的案件竟然是建議有可能要由地方政府來進行認定我們剛剛看到的這些動畫的內容包含小美人與未來可能在台灣台北看得到高雄看不到台中可能只能看一半部長您覺得這樣的方針是對的嗎\n我想他的意思應該不是兩個縣市採取不同的標準而是地方政府進行認定檢舉的時候的問題我站在文化部的立場我只能說\n我覺得兒少的課題是一個我們要共同面對的課題我們不迴避這個課題我也認為可以討論討論的過程當中我們希望能夠盡量撐起這個不妨礙創作的空間但是我覺得不能迴避討論這件事情所以對於地方自行判定您不認同嗎我覺得地方自行判定可能是目前在法制上有這個程序但是不應該形成一國兩制這個我同意\n好 謝謝最後我想提醒部長文化部作為漫畫產業的主管機關真的有非常多人非常關注今天的質詢對此議題的立場跟態度幾乎關乎整個產業的發展我想文化部真的應該要來替所有的漫畫創作者發聲我自己是阿宅我是讀者超級讀者所以我真的也是要替大家發聲漫畫創作者的本意絕對不是希望自己的作品跟犯罪有所連結我們期待文化部能夠以維護創作自由為前提和衛福部來共同合作\n謝謝葛如鈞委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.410 --> 00:02.514\n那葛如鈞委員質詢完我們休息5分鐘\n\n00:28.502 --> 00:49.096\n主席有請文化部史哲部長謝謝有請部長委員好部長好我們上一次見面相談甚歡今天在這個場合還可以再跟您聊聊真的很高興謝謝部長文化部委託臺北教育大學所做的這一份非常豐富的報告\n\n00:50.377 --> 01:11.433\n臺灣文化創意產業發展20年關鍵報告3月20日剛出爐不曉得你看過了嗎我坦白講我還沒有沒關係我們今天就簡要的了解一下其中有一個內容非常有意思就是對於我們2010年通過的文化創意產業發展法它的分法有一些看法\n\n01:12.233 --> 01:39.539\n在這裡面說聯合國教科文組織去用一個產業價值鏈的方式做文化循環來定義希望讓它能夠簡化建議將我們現在有的15項的文創產業應該併到更少的領域來做更精準的一個扶植跟管理包含文化資產應用、藝術、影音圖文等等我想到底是不是這些類別我覺得也不是很重要重點是我們現在的這個做法\n\n01:40.399 --> 01:59.173\n也許是有修正方向的我們看一下依據文化部2023年所發布的行政命令目前我們文化產業的主管機關其實是非常多的包含文化部、經濟部、內政部、數位部等等的4個部會15加1項裡面有高達4個中央目的的事業主管機關\n\n02:00.677 --> 02:02.919\n兩頭馬車可以跑得比較快結果斷開鎖鏈馬繼續跑結果那個產業沒有在動我們來看一下這個例子其實都非常清楚我們舉一個產業叫做廣告產業\n\n02:25.475 --> 02:39.775\n以廣告產業為例雖然是文創產業裡頭相對賺錢的產業但是近來其實有一些小小陰霾就是在疫情期間稍微下降但其實這個產業是含金量非常高的創意也非常的好\n\n02:40.556 --> 03:07.769\n持續下降的過程可能面臨到一些風險包含某一些國際大的平台可能會開始把廣告代理業務收回去自己做創意跟文化的成分會在廣告行業裡面變得越來越重要尤其全世界最大的廣告集團WPP開始跟這個NVIDIA合作全台灣全世界最大的單一集團之一電通也開始擁抱AI所以廣告產業會越來越智慧越來越創意會變成一個非常非常重要的一個文化的部分\n\n03:08.869 --> 03:18.945\n想請教一下這個有沒有去了解廣告產業成長進步或者未來扶植的一些做法還有他現在的這個成長的狀況\n\n03:21.886 --> 03:38.378\n委員您是專家啦那廣告產業確實在這幾年應該是有非常巨大的變化因為通路啦等等方式都改變像就文化部來講我們最了解的就是說其實因為網路跟OTT的產生事實上在電視的廣告的\n\n03:39.639 --> 04:04.833\n以助大幅的下降轉達到網路沒錯,數位化、網路化的程度越來越提高這個就會改變網路本身內容的形式那我也同意說從廣義來講廣告的產業確實是廣義的文化產業的一環因為它確實是應用了非常多的內容謝謝部長我時間有限我們來看真的很感動文化部的部長了解的程度很高而且也非常關心但是我們問文化部\n\n04:05.213 --> 04:32.123\n文化部的回覆是廣告產業的主管機關是經濟部應該是經濟部要去了解跟關心但我可以告訴部長據了解主管機關經濟部也不太了解相關的產業現在變動的原因想請教一下部長文化部剛剛部長也認同其實廣告也非常重要我們在過去扶植我國的廣告產業提出了哪些措施有沒有給予一些獎補助就你所知經濟部有沒有提出相關扶植廣告產業的措施\n\n04:34.555 --> 05:00.616\n經濟部有沒有提供廣告產業所有措施?我不知道,文化部我也承認過去我們確實對廣告產業事實上是比較沒有設定謝謝部長我們上一次會面的時候我就謝提過了也謝謝您的答案是一致的調查以後發現兩個部會都未針對廣告產業可以任何的扶植跟講注的措施不僅如此文化部和經濟部還互踢皮球認為對方都是才是應該要負責扶植廣告產業的人部長\n\n05:01.717 --> 05:27.804\n廣告被譽為文化的櫥窗廣告也決定了人的生活型態我認為目前即便這個主管機關有一些這個雙頭馬車有好有壞的問題但是我真的希望能夠持續的要關注雖然目前主責不屬於文化部的主管但是應該不要把它排除在福祉文化產業文創產業大門之外甚至要把它納入進來為什麼我想跟您報告一下\n\n05:28.744 --> 05:46.015\n我這裡幫你統計了近五年三金是我們很重要的文化活動嘛對不對三金的獲獎情形金馬獎最佳導演的得獎者五位當中以前就是拍廣告的金鐘獎戲劇節目導演獎最佳得獎者五位以前四位是從廣告導演拍攝出來的\n\n05:47.176 --> 05:59.121\n金曲獎最佳MV得獎作品一樣也是有四位是從過去拍攝廣告出來的更不用說其他的幕後人員這些人才都是互相流動的廣告業可以說是培養優秀影視音甚至電影產業的工作者的搖籃是相互輝映的\n\n06:03.843 --> 06:04.083\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議\n\n06:19.733 --> 06:29.880\n我們這樣殺雞取卵那這批人才往上晉升變得很有名了拍電影了去做更多的事情了那我們新的廣告導演要從哪裡來所以我認為這樣的一個斷鏈真的不是我們樂見的同時我們再看廣告產業還有很棒的國際能見度\n\n06:36.638 --> 06:58.750\n我們可以看到他在2022年廣告業的外銷收入跟去年相比成長率到達24.09%而且有越來越多的創意在這裡頭持續發生但是亞洲地區大規模的廣告盛會每兩年舉辦一次的AtAsia的亞洲廣告會議去年盛大在韓國首爾舉行2025年預計在澳門舉辦距離上一次2021年在澳門舉辦只有4年的時間請問部長您知道這樣的一個非常大的\n\n07:06.594 --> 07:33.960\n創意的廣告的活動上一次在台灣舉辦是哪一年嗎很抱歉我確實不知道2015年距離現在已經真的是越來越遠了那我想現在就算積極爭取預計下一次在台灣舉辦說不定還要再10年文化藝術提升國家能見度是非常非常重要的廣告可不可以請部長承諾無論是由文化部主導或是由經濟部主導文化部協助我們能不能夠積極的爭取類似像ADASIA這樣由我們來主辦\n\n07:35.020 --> 07:59.140\n另外,台灣本身每兩年也會舉辦一次DGAsia的數位亞洲大會這是一個亞洲地區的常態性的創意數位的大會以數位行銷為主軸聚集來自全世界各地的科技管理創意的人才是不是也能夠請文化部支持希望能夠進一步提升我們在傳播行銷創意文化創意的產業在國際上的知名度以及讓大家可以看見台灣\n\n08:00.885 --> 08:26.224\n是謝謝委員我想我們跟數位內容有overlap那我們跟廣告產業在文化內容上也overlap這個我承認所以如果要來支持要求文化部參與共同的支持我想這個我們也都願意不過我也必須要坦承恐怕這個可能是要跨部會大家來共同不能文化部越主帶跑這個因為全世界的文化部\n\n08:26.644 --> 08:47.201\n那我只好下一次再來問院長喔但是文化部部長您支持嘛對不對好OK非常感謝但是我想文創這一塊文化部還是非常的重要再拜託文化部一定要來多多加以關注那再來呢我想我先給部長看一下這張圖片請問您知道這什麼卡通角色嗎應該是小美人魚小美人魚嗎您覺得他幾歲\n\n08:55.083 --> 09:13.873\n你覺得他是人還是動物?我沒有想過這個問題所以這是一個非常模糊難以定義的問題不好意思剛剛都已經有非常多委員在關注了我就非常迅速啦我是阿宅我還是要再問一次這個問題我們剛剛在會議當中所提到虛擬兒少突發案件的判斷標準\n\n09:14.753 --> 09:22.241\n包含包括角色認為為兒少圖畫內容客觀上足以引起信譽或羞恥等等請問部長認為這樣的判斷標準真的已經足夠明確作為案件認定的參考依據了嗎剛剛部長顯然也是猶豫了一下甚至可能還會猶豫更久\n\n09:31.070 --> 09:49.489\n漫畫的角色真的是形形色色動畫也是神隱少女的白龍外表12歲實際上代表一條河他可能是幾千年的年齡我們要怎麼判斷兒少是不是呢那事實上接下來可能還有更多美少女戰士我們就先待會再看\n\n09:50.470 --> 10:08.276\n總而言之針對這個會議的結論這個未來相關的案件竟然是建議有可能要由地方政府來進行認定我們剛剛看到的這些動畫的內容包含小美人與未來可能在台灣台北看得到高雄看不到台中可能只能看一半部長您覺得這樣的方針是對的嗎\n\n10:09.600 --> 10:23.736\n我想他的意思應該不是兩個縣市採取不同的標準而是地方政府進行認定檢舉的時候的問題我站在文化部的立場我只能說\n\n10:25.638 --> 10:49.623\n我覺得兒少的課題是一個我們要共同面對的課題我們不迴避這個課題我也認為可以討論討論的過程當中我們希望能夠盡量撐起這個不妨礙創作的空間但是我覺得不能迴避討論這件事情所以對於地方自行判定您不認同嗎我覺得地方自行判定可能是目前在法制上有這個程序但是不應該形成一國兩制這個我同意\n\n10:50.694 --> 11:16.943\n好謝謝最後我想提醒部長文化部作為漫畫產業的主管機關真的有非常多人非常關注今天的質詢對此議題的立場跟態度幾乎關乎整個產業的發展我想文化部真的應該要來替所有的漫畫創作者發聲我自己是阿宅我是讀者超級讀者所以我真的也是要替大家發聲漫畫創作者的本意絕對不是希望自己的作品跟犯罪有所連結我們期待文化部能夠以維護創作自由為前提和衛福部來共同合作\n\n11:19.944 --> 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