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00:00:35,798\n前面有委員認為說文化部應該要以這個收益來作為評估我們是否要支持以及投資台灣本土影視應產業內容,你認同嗎?\n\n3\n00:00:51,060 --> 00:01:02,816\n國發基金確實是以投資收益做考量,這個我們要承認,但是它不應該以個案或者是說以初期,我們是希望以整體長期的發展來做投資收益的考量\n\n4\n00:01:04,298 --> 00:01:06,939\n主導我們去年文化部提出的這個黑橋計畫是由文化部跟文策院我們用頭補雙軌的方式就是希望可以支持長期的我們影視內容產業的發展因為內容產業的發展最關心的根本就是人才的培育\n\n5\n00:01:25,546 --> 00:01:35,290\n我們有人才有文化才有產業這是何其需要長期支持投注的一項事業所以我希望文化部我們要把我們的計畫的定位要闡述清楚倘若我們一切都以損益比當作唯一評估的KPI的話那我們台灣知名的演員\n\n6\n00:01:51,076 --> 00:01:51,356\n是的。\n\n7\n00:02:14,087 --> 00:02:14,908\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部長史哲列席報告\n\n8\n00:02:44,287 --> 00:02:51,209\n登上排名第一名第一名代表什麼因為這一部影劇也讓世界看到了台灣民主自由發展的價值這個也是非常重要的價值所以我認為對政府部門來說KPI還是重要的\n\n9\n00:03:02,913 --> 00:03:02,933\n吳沛憶議員\n\n10\n00:03:33,513 --> 00:03:54,227\n所以文化部來支持我們本土內容產業的發展就是在支持我們國家的發展你們要把它闡述清楚好不好但我還是要關心我們黑潮計畫我們目前是4年100億那在去年呢文化部來跟我們申請的50案我們投入了9.51億帶動中邊的效益你們給的數字是22.67億我請問部長所謂中邊的效益指的是什麼\n\n11\n00:04:00,629 --> 00:04:20,547\n您剛講的數字是文策院的投資是第一個是文策院他自己的資金的投資還來加上對方資金的投資以及投資之後所產生的產值的外溢效益是整個的周邊效益是所以就是說我們政府來投資也去刺激鼓勵民間來加入投資\n\n12\n00:04:21,488 --> 00:04:35,560\n當然一定要有相對等的民間投資而且文成員的投資不可能超過49%所以絕大多數的錢都還是民間投資民間的投資以及周邊的效益因為所謂周邊的效益相關帶動的發展我就希望你們要把它具體的寫出來也讓我們能夠具體的來監督瞭解好不好\n\n13\n00:04:39,543 --> 00:04:47,206\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、邀請文化部部長史哲列席報告業務：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處\n\n14\n00:05:06,172 --> 00:05:06,412\n吳沛憶委員會委員會委員會\n\n15\n00:05:26,877 --> 00:05:26,917\n吳沛憶、吳沛憶\n\n16\n00:05:45,592 --> 00:06:06,071\n這個非常多的知名的影劇不只台灣連韓國的電影也來我們這邊取景我跟他算過曾經我們一年大概有10部以上的影視創作就在華江整眨拍攝我自己也發現有非常多日韓遊客就是他們是暗途所寄來的他曾經看過這一個劇所以想要來這裡看一看\n\n17\n00:06:07,893 --> 00:06:07,913\n吳沛憶議員\n\n18\n00:06:31,234 --> 00:06:47,081\n其實最重要的做法就是如果能夠讓我們的文化內容我們的影視產業它在文化輸出上越強勢事實上它自然就會有達到這個效果嘛所以這個其實是跟我們所以文化部做文化部的交通部觀光署做觀光署的部長是這樣嗎\n\n19\n00:06:50,410 --> 00:06:50,850\n當然可以當然沒有問題對\n\n20\n00:07:18,462 --> 00:07:19,283\n二、台灣的獨立書店、實體書店\n\n21\n00:07:35,242 --> 00:07:35,622\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議\n\n22\n00:07:54,554 --> 00:07:54,854\n吳沛憶議員吳沛憶\n\n23\n00:08:14,187 --> 00:08:28,696\n是,我們文化部認為應該要鼓勵來買書我們在台北國際書展為什麼文化部支持文化幣支持這個抵用券其實就是希望大家能夠利用一年度的盛事為自己買一本書我想我們的部長我們要怎麼樣來鼓勵\n\n24\n00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:46,884\n其實上去年一年來恐怕是我們這幾年對於實體書店跟實體出版業最支持的一年我想文化幣有五成是用在購書有一成是用在獨立書店獨立書店我們有兩點加碼一點那這個對獨立書店的營業額是\n\n25\n00:08:50,725 --> 00:08:55,687\n一方面我們從消費端我們來推廣一方面我們文化部我們也有實體書店發展補助作業要點從106年開始推動我認為這個計畫要持續來推動但我要建議的是其中文化部有提到說希望未來的書店也可以作為我們社區圍形的文化中心其中我們也鼓勵針對這個\n\n26\n00:09:13,854 --> 00:09:13,874\n吳沛憶議員\n\n27\n00:09:40,979 --> 00:09:44,842\n除了鼓勵實體書店來進入社區推廣作為你們所謂的微型社區文化中心以外也是在我們校園裡面可以有一個很好的風氣來推動閱讀的文化\n\n28\n00:09:56,089 --> 00:09:56,129\n吳沛憶議員吳沛憶議員\n\n29\n00:10:17,286 --> 00:10:31,734\n確實的成為違行的社區文化中心有相關需要例如說需要地方政府交易局的協助地方政府區公所的協助甚至地方政府文化局的協助是文化部來找地方政府來討論一下怎麼樣來協助我們實體的書店可以走進社區\n\n30\n00:10:36,657 --> 00:11:01,759\n事實上我們持續一直有在進行跟縣市政府的溝通協調不過因為它落實到每一個學校確實可能更需要更多的我們需要主動積極的來協助不能等到他們來找我們幫忙才個案的幫助這樣沒有辦法整體的推動閱讀文化最後一點時間我要提醒部長因為我一直在關注我們公共藝術這個設置要點的修正那因為監察院提出糾正了\n\n31\n00:11:02,119 --> 00:11:04,560\n主要問題就是過去我們長期就是少數人少數業者在代辦我們全國各個地方的公共藝術那甚至有求援兼裁判的問題現在說的這個要點希望可以改善過去的這些弊端但其中一個你們要設這個公共藝術的輔導團\n\n32\n00:11:20,928 --> 00:11:42,387\n我在要點裡面有沒有看到細項你這個輔導團的設置是聘請外部委員嗎來多少的比例是外部委員多少比例是我們內部的我們自己文化部的人員有沒有已經有這個細則出來了輔導團基本上我們會折成各縣市希望能夠來成立因為其實都還是在有地方政府成立對那有沒有設置辦法輔導團目前還沒有還沒有嘛所以要提醒文化部\n\n33\n00:11:48,192 --> 00:11:49,193\n切莫讓輔導團再次變成少數人壟斷變成類代辦的一個機關喔然後呢切莫再有球員兼裁辦的問題啊倘若你輔導團的成員已經被評審了嘛\n\n34\n00:12:06,027 --> 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：一、處\n吳沛憶委員會委員會委員會\n吳沛憶、吳沛憶\n這個非常多的知名的影劇不只台灣連韓國的電影也來我們這邊取景我跟他算過曾經我們一年大概有10部以上的影視創作就在華江整眨拍攝我自己也發現有非常多日韓遊客就是他們是暗途所寄來的他曾經看過這一個劇所以想要來這裡看一看\n吳沛憶議員\n其實最重要的做法就是如果能夠讓我們的文化內容我們的影視產業它在文化輸出上越強勢事實上它自然就會有達到這個效果嘛所以這個其實是跟我們所以文化部做文化部的交通部觀光署做觀光署的部長是這樣嗎\n當然可以當然沒有問題對\n二、台灣的獨立書店、實體書店\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議\n吳沛憶議員吳沛憶\n是,我們文化部認為應該要鼓勵來買書我們在台北國際書展為什麼文化部支持文化幣支持這個抵用券其實就是希望大家能夠利用一年度的盛事為自己買一本書我想我們的部長我們要怎麼樣來鼓勵\n其實上去年一年來恐怕是我們這幾年對於實體書店跟實體出版業最支持的一年我想文化幣有五成是用在購書有一成是用在獨立書店獨立書店我們有兩點加碼一點那這個對獨立書店的營業額是\n一方面我們從消費端我們來推廣一方面我們文化部我們也有實體書店發展補助作業要點從106年開始推動我認為這個計畫要持續來推動但我要建議的是其中文化部有提到說希望未來的書店也可以作為我們社區圍形的文化中心其中我們也鼓勵針對這個\n吳沛憶議員\n除了鼓勵實體書店來進入社區推廣作為你們所謂的微型社區文化中心以外也是在我們校園裡面可以有一個很好的風氣來推動閱讀的文化\n吳沛憶議員吳沛憶議員\n確實的成為違行的社區文化中心有相關需要例如說需要地方政府交易局的協助地方政府區公所的協助甚至地方政府文化局的協助是文化部來找地方政府來討論一下怎麼樣來協助我們實體的書店可以走進社區\n事實上我們持續一直有在進行跟縣市政府的溝通協調不過因為它落實到每一個學校確實可能更需要更多的我們需要主動積極的來協助不能等到他們來找我們幫忙才個案的幫助這樣沒有辦法整體的推動閱讀文化最後一點時間我要提醒部長因為我一直在關注我們公共藝術這個設置要點的修正那因為監察院提出糾正了\n主要問題就是過去我們長期就是少數人少數業者在代辦我們全國各個地方的公共藝術那甚至有求援兼裁判的問題現在說的這個要點希望可以改善過去的這些弊端但其中一個你們要設這個公共藝術的輔導團\n我在要點裡面有沒有看到細項你這個輔導團的設置是聘請外部委員嗎來多少的比例是外部委員多少比例是我們內部的我們自己文化部的人員有沒有已經有這個細則出來了輔導團基本上我們會折成各縣市希望能夠來成立因為其實都還是在有地方政府成立對那有沒有設置辦法輔導團目前還沒有還沒有嘛所以要提醒文化部\n切莫讓輔導團再次變成少數人壟斷變成類代辦的一個機關喔然後呢 切莫再有球員兼裁辦的問題啊倘若你輔導團的成員已經被評審了嘛\n吳沛憶委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.736 --> 00:11.679\n謝謝主席,我請文化部部長好,有請部長委員好部長好部長你知道我一直都很關心台灣的影視音產業那剛剛因為前面有委員質詢針對我們文策院的投資我們的影視音產業然後就它的這個初期的這個收益\n\n00:34.257 --> 00:35.798\n前面有委員認為說文化部應該要以這個收益來作為評估我們是否要支持以及投資台灣本土影視應產業內容,你認同嗎?\n\n00:51.060 --> 01:02.816\n國發基金確實是以投資收益做考量,這個我們要承認,但是它不應該以個案或者是說以初期,我們是希望以整體長期的發展來做投資收益的考量\n\n01:04.298 --> 01:06.939\n主導我們去年文化部提出的這個黑橋計畫是由文化部跟文策院我們用頭補雙軌的方式就是希望可以支持長期的我們影視內容產業的發展因為內容產業的發展最關心的根本就是人才的培育\n\n01:25.546 --> 01:35.290\n我們有人才有文化才有產業這是何其需要長期支持投注的一項事業所以我希望文化部我們要把我們的計畫的定位要闡述清楚倘若我們一切都以損益比當作唯一評估的KPI的話那我們台灣知名的演員\n\n01:51.076 --> 01:51.356\n是的。\n\n02:14.087 --> 02:14.908\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部長史哲列席報告\n\n02:44.287 --> 02:51.209\n登上排名第一名第一名代表什麼因為這一部影劇也讓世界看到了台灣民主自由發展的價值這個也是非常重要的價值所以我認為對政府部門來說KPI還是重要的\n\n03:02.913 --> 03:02.933\n吳沛憶議員\n\n03:33.513 --> 03:54.227\n所以文化部來支持我們本土內容產業的發展就是在支持我們國家的發展你們要把它闡述清楚好不好但我還是要關心我們黑潮計畫我們目前是4年100億那在去年呢文化部來跟我們申請的50案我們投入了9.51億帶動中邊的效益你們給的數字是22.67億我請問部長所謂中邊的效益指的是什麼\n\n04:00.629 --> 04:20.547\n您剛講的數字是文策院的投資是第一個是文策院他自己的資金的投資還來加上對方資金的投資以及投資之後所產生的產值的外溢效益是整個的周邊效益是所以就是說我們政府來投資也去刺激鼓勵民間來加入投資\n\n04:21.488 --> 04:35.560\n當然一定要有相對等的民間投資而且文成員的投資不可能超過49%所以絕大多數的錢都還是民間投資民間的投資以及周邊的效益因為所謂周邊的效益相關帶動的發展我就希望你們要把它具體的寫出來也讓我們能夠具體的來監督瞭解好不好\n\n04:39.543 --> 04:47.206\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、邀請文化部部長史哲列席報告業務：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、處\n\n05:06.172 --> 05:06.412\n吳沛憶委員會委員會委員會\n\n05:26.877 --> 05:26.917\n吳沛憶、吳沛憶\n\n05:45.592 --> 06:06.071\n這個非常多的知名的影劇不只台灣連韓國的電影也來我們這邊取景我跟他算過曾經我們一年大概有10部以上的影視創作就在華江整眨拍攝我自己也發現有非常多日韓遊客就是他們是暗途所寄來的他曾經看過這一個劇所以想要來這裡看一看\n\n06:07.893 --> 06:07.913\n吳沛憶議員\n\n06:31.234 --> 06:47.081\n其實最重要的做法就是如果能夠讓我們的文化內容我們的影視產業它在文化輸出上越強勢事實上它自然就會有達到這個效果嘛所以這個其實是跟我們所以文化部做文化部的交通部觀光署做觀光署的部長是這樣嗎\n\n06:50.410 --> 06:50.850\n當然可以當然沒有問題對\n\n07:18.462 --> 07:19.283\n二、台灣的獨立書店、實體書店\n\n07:35.242 --> 07:35.622\n二月27日及28日二天一次會議\n\n07:54.554 --> 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