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00:05:34,106\n本期提的是第二條第一項\n\n16\n00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:16,209\n我認為要新增一個所謂常態性或臨時性也就是說臨時性的措施就是這種道路交通維持計畫應該要納入行人交通安全設施的定義因為你現在的行人交通安全設施的定義沒有包含這種道路臨時性的維持計畫就是你把他剔除掉在你所管轄的範圍內\n\n17\n00:06:24,548 --> 00:06:26,329\n委員黃捷等16人擬具《行人交通安全設施條例草案》案\n\n18\n00:06:50,768 --> 00:07:12,321\n甚至你要把他納回考評項目啦。部長你有什麼看法?我想這個我們了解,我請吳事長說明一下。我跟委員報告啦,因為這一個法本身是一個作用法。就是說你前面有名詞定義的話,後面應該要有它相對應的條文。但是因為這一個交違設施它本身是一個非常細節而且要因地制宜定出很彈性的做法的。\n\n19\n00:07:12,941 --> 00:07:17,124\n所以我才會跟委員報告說是不是下午我們討論一下看是在母法跟細則裡面通通都去定義還是母法只要有定義一個項目所以你們趕快去做這方面的討論要把它擬補過來第二個啦\n\n20\n00:07:40,982 --> 00:07:52,050\n在你所謂定義上要設立行人安全友善設施就是你規範要設立有人行道的部分我認為你少納入商圈你看這是台中一中街商圈根本沒有地方可以走台南國外街商圈那個嫁入都是人山人海\n\n21\n00:08:08,857 --> 00:08:36,583\n人走在哪裡?走到快車道上面啊。台中的商圈,很多商圈都一樣啦。然後我右邊給你看一個是日本的商圈。日本定立為商圈,它一定設立行人可以走了。這必然的嘛。你稍微走才可以來啊。顧客才可以在那邊散步啊。但你現在啊規範啊必須要設立所謂的行人友善區啊。你只規範什麼?\n\n22\n00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:59,794\n你只規範了醫療院所、學校、機關、大眾捷運場等行人密集場所,我認為你應該要把商圈納進來啦。只要你要讓地方政府在規範商圈的時候啊,他不得不他一定要啦,要把行人友善設施納進商圈的必要的那個附屬設施裡面。你無法要規範啦。我也有提修正版本在這個地方啦。\n\n23\n00:09:05,479 --> 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