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00:02:00,289\n的這個很多的這個時間都必須要專注在公務的體系上面公務的事務方面那這部分的話確實是這個大家都很辛苦那也因為其實公務員現在的這個\n\n7\n00:02:03,912 --> 00:02:18,220\n的公務、他的業務越來越復雜而且實際上就是大家的工作壓力非常大那這也涉及到就是剛剛前面幾位委員都有在談為什麼現在報考公務人員的\n\n8\n00:02:21,082 --> 00:02:41,550\n這個人數越來越少我想這個基本上也跟我們的現在公務員的薪資軍公教的薪資普遍比民間企業要來的低因為低薪所以就不容易攬財我想這個是一個還蠻清楚的一個事情那我想請教就是人事長在\n\n9\n00:02:43,131 --> 00:03:04,867\n這個最近這些年到底人事總處這裡有沒有曾經調查過我們國家的軍公教人員或是說我們就算是講的是公教人員的薪資與民間企業員工薪資的差距有沒有做過這樣的調查那麼甚至就是我國跟其他國家的公務員的薪資調查\n\n10\n00:03:06,810 --> 00:03:31,345\n我跟委員報告大概每一年我們都會做一次調查因為就如同委員知道我們現在每一年大一審議委員會我們都會basedon所謂的通膨還有經濟成長力民間薪資的問題還有國家財政相關的議題所以這些跟民間薪資的部分所以也是因為我們有做這樣的一個調查\n\n11\n00:03:32,606 --> 00:03:58,922\n所以我們最近針對某些科系像土木的建築的在公務機關人才比較不容易招募的部分我們最近密集在一些機關去做訪視我們希望說今年可以提出針對他們跟民間之間工作的內容還有待遇的部分我們做一個比較全盤性的一個瞭解因為我們不去\n\n12\n00:04:04,485 --> 00:04:27,037\n市長,您最近調查我們跟民間企業的差距是多少倍?有這個數據嗎?因為其實我也認真的去看了一下你們的這個人事總處的網友我沒有看到好像相關資訊的揭露那麼到底你們所講的我們跟民間企業的薪資差距是差多少倍?這個部分我希望就是\n\n13\n00:04:28,377 --> 00:04:50,504\n這個之後可以請人事總處這裡提供給我們大家知道最好能夠在網路上面公開有嗎?有數據嗎?有有我這裡跟委員再報告一下現在高考三級的起薪大概五萬三千五百二十那普考大概四萬一千沒關係你說如果是以高考三級的話跟相當於民間的其他的哪個企業的什麼樣的比例\n\n14\n00:04:52,502 --> 00:05:11,454\n因為我們reference是勞動部企業分民間受雇員工的好沒關係我想因為時間的關係就麻煩就是請你之後再提供書面資料給委員我在這裡我想要講的就是其實日本的公務最高人事機關人事院他們是每一年都會去針對\n\n15\n00:05:13,375 --> 00:05:37,172\n這個全日本的這個1萬多家企業40、40、50萬的員工去做薪資調查那麼依照這個他們的所做的薪資調查再來回比我們目前的就是日本的公務員的薪資調查然後他們會每年都要定期的做檢討但是就這個部分來講的話我沒有看到人事總處是不是每年都有定期的做檢討那麼這個這個部分的話是\n\n16\n00:05:41,135 --> 00:05:52,834\n也跟我們目前沒有法制化有關因為在我們的軍公教待遇審議委員會裡面看起來現在只是不定期的要去做調新的審議你們每一年都有做嗎?\n\n17\n00:05:53,956 --> 00:06:15,934\n包括委員,事實上每一年在調薪的時候,它裡面的一個衡量指標就是政府部門跟民間代議的差距,這一部分我們都有做。可是因為這樣子的一個差距都沒有公開,所以至於讓大家也不知道就是說為什麼我們現在這個看到這個一般民間企業的薪水是不斷的調漲,主要是他們當然還有很多的\n\n18\n00:06:36,997 --> 00:06:38,117\n二、審查及處理113年度中央\n\n19\n00:07:06,014 --> 00:07:29,232\n事實上為什麼我們軍公教大議他會來自不同的有國防部的代表然後也有教育部的代表是但是都只有一名好謝謝那我的意思是說依照現在法律裡面的規定的話他應該是行政院定之那麼行政院是不是應該成立不同的審議委員會來審議軍公教的待遇而不是合併在同一個審議委員會裡面來談\n\n20\n00:07:31,374 --> 00:07:53,066\n好那接下來當然就今天委員其實還包含之前有委員有提到就是有關於軍公教待遇的條新審議一直沒有法制化那沒有法制化的問題我看你們在這次的預算解凍案裡面你們還是想說是未來要朝向法制化這明明就是一個簡單的事情我跟委員報告我們今年一定會法制化會完成法制化\n\n21\n00:07:54,747 --> 00:08:09,676\n好,如果你們不完成的話我會幫你們提案。接下來還有一個問題就是有關於我們剛剛講的軍公教既然大家工作性質不一樣可是卻又適用同一套的諷點標準那麼請問有關於我們現在的這個諷表是由誰訂定的?\n\n22\n00:08:17,741 --> 00:08:26,383\n奉表在就是我們的就是那被送奉集法對奉集法我們這個奉表有多少年沒有調整過幾年上次我們現在的值等喔軍公教值等從1到14值等然後我們的奉點從160點到800點這個奉表有經過調整嗎\n\n23\n00:08:48,393 --> 00:09:15,279\n我必須說因為這裡看起來是很久沒有調整那麼這個部分我也希望就是人事總處這裡回去可以研議接下來我們剛剛講的那個軍公教工作性質就不一樣所以不應該都適用同一套的文官的縫緊就是不應該適用單一的縫表它應該還是要有所區別還有就是說目前大家有討論現在的縫點結構到底合不合理\n\n24\n00:09:20,282 --> 00:09:39,498\n從160點奉點到現在800點已經非常多年好像都是像這樣子的一個情況那還有就是奉點的折算額看起來這個部分是涉及到調薪的時候就會去檢討奉點折算額請問像奉點折算額的部分是人事行政總處這裡會決定嗎?奉點折算份額是待遇調整的時候我們會\n\n25\n00:09:44,110 --> 00:09:50,735\n所以我認為說其實呢簡單來說如果我們今天希望能夠整體拉高軍公教的待遇一個非常簡單的做法也甚至不用這麼這個大幅的修法就是直接去調高縫點的折算額\n\n26\n00:10:14,922 --> 00:10:29,779\n這個部分其實就可以解決這個問題那麼如果說我們還要回到就是說是要去討論各式各樣不同的家級還有給予獎勵等等的話這個其實又太複雜了好那最後呢我還想要請教一個問題是有關於育嬰價的問題育嬰那麼現在留職停薪\n\n27\n00:10:36,326 --> 00:11:02,215\n預應留職停薪這也是在你們這次計畫書裡面有講的你們也一直希望能夠提高預應留職停薪的這個發放的津貼然後來鼓勵這個公園能夠多養育小孩可是我認為有一個嚴重的就是應該有一個結構性的問題就是因為你們的計算標準都是以本縫\n\n28\n00:11:04,573 --> 00:11:20,503\n過去是本縫的6成然後前兩年因為配合行政院要落實0到6歲的這個子女國家養的這個政策所以有調高多2成現在是領本縫的8成但是本縫本身還是低壓\n\n29\n00:11:22,165 --> 00:11:38,562\n他的這個母數本身就是低那你再乘以八成他還是低所以我是建議就是說這個也是請人事長回去可以思考是不是未來有關於像育嬰留職停薪的津貼應該要以他的全心\n\n30\n00:11:40,090 --> 00:12:00,731\n來做考量以全新的7成或8成那這樣的話我覺得是真的可以幫助到養育子女的這個公務員同時我們現在的這個育嬰留庭是3歲子女3歲以下才可以請領既然行政院的政策是0到6歲國家養為什麼不提放寬\n\n31\n00:12:01,992 --> 00:12:18,798\n可以申請的資格6歲以下只要家中有6歲以下的公務員都可以申請這個預應留職停薪的今天我跟委員簡單的說明一下就是公保法的限制啦公保法的規範就是本婚的以本婚為計算基準\n\n32\n00:12:21,119 --> 00:12:38,930\n而且三足稅這些都在公保法如果委員剛才所指教的問題我們要去調整的話事實上沿途還是公保法你們要去做改所以要修法就是了對公保法好那現在憲宜說你們可以往這方面去思考我們再把意見反映給情緒部好的好好的謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8420\t13621\t主席有請人事長請蘇人事長市長辛苦了從今天一早就開始接受委員們的提問跟這個準備很多的詢問那麼我看了您這裡所提出來的人事推動\n35181\t46606\t人事數位人事服務的數位轉型報告裡面有非常多的未來針對數位轉型的這個措施我自己非常佩服因為這也是人事長您過去也曾經\n47624\t72818\t在其他的機關裏面都有推動過關於數位轉型那就這個部分的話我非常的敬佩提了非常好的一些措施希望能夠能夠減緩舒解未來我們公務體系人力的這個壓力那麼當然我更這個欽佩就是這個人事長在百忙之中還可以常常去其他的不同的\n73362\t92148\t美術館、博物館和去參訪,那就像吳思堯委員一樣有非常豐富的這個文化生活。我進立法院現在大概一個半月左右,我已經覺得忙得不可開交,直到這個上星期天,上星期六才有機會去看了一個牡丹亭的昆劇的表演。\n93004\t104331\t那麼我必須說其實以我個人的觀察公務機關裡面不管是軍公教其實大家的工作都非常的繁忙忙碌尤其是加班\n105393\t120289\t的這個很多的這個時間都必須要專注在公務的體系上面公務的事務方面那這部分的話確實是這個大家都很辛苦那也因為其實公務員現在的這個\n123912\t138220\t的公務、他的業務越來越復雜而且實際上就是大家的工作壓力非常大那這也涉及到就是剛剛前面幾位委員都有在談為什麼現在報考公務人員的\n141082\t161550\t這個人數越來越少我想這個基本上也跟我們的現在公務員的薪資軍公教的薪資普遍比民間企業要來的低因為低薪所以就不容易攬財我想這個是一個還蠻清楚的一個事情那我想請教就是人事長在\n163131\t184867\t這個最近這些年到底人事總處這裡有沒有曾經調查過我們國家的軍公教人員或是說我們就算是講的是公教人員的薪資與民間企業員工薪資的差距有沒有做過這樣的調查那麼甚至就是我國跟其他國家的公務員的薪資調查\n186810\t211345\t我跟委員報告大概每一年我們都會做一次調查因為就如同委員知道我們現在每一年大一審議委員會我們都會based on所謂的通膨還有經濟成長力民間薪資的問題還有國家財政相關的議題所以這些跟民間薪資的部分所以也是因為我們有做這樣的一個調查\n212606\t238922\t所以我們最近針對某些科系像土木的建築的在公務機關人才比較不容易招募的部分我們最近密集在一些機關去做訪視我們希望說今年可以提出針對他們跟民間之間工作的內容還有待遇的部分我們做一個比較全盤性的一個瞭解因為我們不去\n244485\t267037\t市長,您最近調查我們跟民間企業的差距是多少倍?有這個數據嗎?因為其實我也認真的去看了一下你們的這個人事總處的網友我沒有看到好像相關資訊的揭露那麼到底你們所講的我們跟民間企業的薪資差距是差多少倍?這個部分我希望就是\n268377\t290504\t這個之後可以請人事總處這裡提供給我們大家知道最好能夠在網路上面公開有嗎?有數據嗎?有有我這裡跟委員再報告一下現在高考三級的起薪大概五萬三千五百二十那普考大概四萬一千沒關係你說如果是以高考三級的話跟相當於民間的其他的哪個企業的什麼樣的比例\n292502\t311454\t因為我們reference是勞動部企業分民間受雇員工的好沒關係我想因為時間的關係就麻煩就是請你之後再提供書面資料給委員我在這裡我想要講的就是其實日本的公務最高人事機關人事院他們是每一年都會去針對\n313375\t337172\t這個全日本的這個1萬多家企業40、40、50萬的員工去做薪資調查那麼依照這個他們的所做的薪資調查再來回比我們目前的就是日本的公務員的薪資調查然後他們會每年都要定期的做檢討但是就這個部分來講的話我沒有看到人事總處是不是每年都有定期的做檢討那麼這個這個部分的話是\n341135\t352834\t也跟我們目前沒有法制化有關因為在我們的軍公教待遇審議委員會裡面看起來現在只是不定期的要去做調新的審議你們每一年都有做嗎?\n353956\t375934\t包括委員,事實上每一年在調薪的時候,它裡面的一個衡量指標就是政府部門跟民間代議的差距,這一部分我們都有做。可是因為這樣子的一個差距都沒有公開,所以至於讓大家也不知道就是說為什麼我們現在這個看到這個一般民間企業的薪水是不斷的調漲,主要是他們當然還有很多的\n376254\t396817\t議員議員議員議員\n396997\t398117\t二、審查及處理113年度中央\n426014\t449232\t事實上為什麼我們軍公教大議他會來自不同的有國防部的代表然後也有教育部的代表是但是都只有一名好謝謝那我的意思是說依照現在法律裡面的規定的話他應該是行政院定之那麼行政院是不是應該成立不同的審議委員會來審議軍公教的待遇而不是合併在同一個審議委員會裡面來談\n451374\t473066\t好那接下來當然就今天委員其實還包含之前有委員有提到就是有關於軍公教待遇的條新審議一直沒有法制化那沒有法制化的問題我看你們在這次的預算解凍案裡面你們還是想說是未來要朝向法制化這明明就是一個簡單的事情我跟委員報告我們今年一定會法制化會完成法制化\n474747\t489676\t好,如果你們不完成的話我會幫你們提案。接下來還有一個問題就是有關於我們剛剛講的軍公教既然大家工作性質不一樣可是卻又適用同一套的諷點標準那麼請問有關於我們現在的這個諷表是由誰訂定的?\n497741\t506383\t奉表在就是我們的就是那被送奉集法對奉集法我們這個奉表有多少年沒有調整過幾年上次我們現在的值等喔軍公教值等從1到14值等然後我們的奉點從160點到800點這個奉表有經過調整嗎\n528393\t555279\t我必須說因為這裡看起來是很久沒有調整那麼這個部分我也希望就是人事總處這裡回去可以研議接下來我們剛剛講的那個軍公教工作性質就不一樣所以不應該都適用同一套的文官的縫緊就是不應該適用單一的縫表它應該還是要有所區別還有就是說目前大家有討論現在的縫點結構到底合不合理\n560282\t579498\t從160點奉點到現在800點已經非常多年好像都是像這樣子的一個情況那還有就是奉點的折算額看起來這個部分是涉及到調薪的時候就會去檢討奉點折算額請問像奉點折算額的部分是人事行政總處這裡會決定嗎?奉點折算份額是待遇調整的時候我們會\n584110\t590735\t所以我認為說其實呢簡單來說如果我們今天希望能夠整體拉高軍公教的待遇一個非常簡單的做法也甚至不用這麼這個大幅的修法就是直接去調高縫點的折算額\n614922\t629779\t這個部分其實就可以解決這個問題那麼如果說我們還要回到就是說是要去討論各式各樣不同的家級還有給予獎勵等等的話這個其實又太複雜了好那最後呢我還想要請教一個問題是有關於育嬰價的問題育嬰那麼現在留職停薪\n636326\t662215\t預應留職停薪這也是在你們這次計畫書裡面有講的你們也一直希望能夠提高預應留職停薪的這個發放的津貼然後來鼓勵這個公園能夠多養育小孩可是我認為有一個嚴重的就是應該有一個結構性的問題就是因為你們的計算標準都是以本縫\n664573\t680503\t過去是本縫的6成然後前兩年因為配合行政院要落實0到6歲的這個子女國家養的這個政策所以有調高多2成現在是領本縫的8成但是本縫本身還是低壓\n682165\t698562\t他的這個母數本身就是低那你再乘以八成他還是低所以我是建議就是說這個也是請人事長回去可以思考是不是未來有關於像育嬰留職停薪的津貼應該要以他的全心\n700090\t720731\t來做考量以全新的7成或8成那這樣的話我覺得是真的可以幫助到養育子女的這個公務員同時我們現在的這個育嬰留庭是3歲子女3歲以下才可以請領既然行政院的政策是0到6歲國家養為什麼不提放寬\n721992\t738798\t可以申請的資格6歲以下只要家中有6歲以下的公務員都可以申請這個預應留職停薪的今天我跟委員簡單的說明一下就是公保法的限制啦公保法的規範就是本婚的以本婚為計算基準\n741119\t758930\t而且三足稅這些都在公保法如果委員剛才所指教的問題我們要去調整的話事實上沿途還是公保法你們要去做改所以要修法就是了對公保法好那現在憲宜說你們可以往這方面去思考我們再把意見反映給情緒部好的好好的謝謝\n","txt":"主席有請人事長請蘇人事長市長辛苦了從今天一早就開始接受委員們的提問跟這個準備很多的詢問那麼我看了您這裡所提出來的人事推動\n人事數位人事服務的數位轉型報告裡面有非常多的未來針對數位轉型的這個措施我自己非常佩服因為這也是人事長您過去也曾經\n在其他的機關裏面都有推動過關於數位轉型那就這個部分的話我非常的敬佩提了非常好的一些措施希望能夠能夠減緩舒解未來我們公務體系人力的這個壓力那麼當然我更這個欽佩就是這個人事長在百忙之中還可以常常去其他的不同的\n美術館、博物館和去參訪,那就像吳思堯委員一樣有非常豐富的這個文化生活。我進立法院現在大概一個半月左右,我已經覺得忙得不可開交,直到這個上星期天,上星期六才有機會去看了一個牡丹亭的昆劇的表演。\n那麼我必須說其實以我個人的觀察公務機關裡面不管是軍公教其實大家的工作都非常的繁忙忙碌尤其是加班\n的這個很多的這個時間都必須要專注在公務的體系上面公務的事務方面那這部分的話確實是這個大家都很辛苦那也因為其實公務員現在的這個\n的公務、他的業務越來越復雜而且實際上就是大家的工作壓力非常大那這也涉及到就是剛剛前面幾位委員都有在談為什麼現在報考公務人員的\n這個人數越來越少我想這個基本上也跟我們的現在公務員的薪資軍公教的薪資普遍比民間企業要來的低因為低薪所以就不容易攬財我想這個是一個還蠻清楚的一個事情那我想請教就是人事長在\n這個最近這些年到底人事總處這裡有沒有曾經調查過我們國家的軍公教人員或是說我們就算是講的是公教人員的薪資與民間企業員工薪資的差距有沒有做過這樣的調查那麼甚至就是我國跟其他國家的公務員的薪資調查\n我跟委員報告大概每一年我們都會做一次調查因為就如同委員知道我們現在每一年大一審議委員會我們都會based on所謂的通膨還有經濟成長力民間薪資的問題還有國家財政相關的議題所以這些跟民間薪資的部分所以也是因為我們有做這樣的一個調查\n所以我們最近針對某些科系像土木的建築的在公務機關人才比較不容易招募的部分我們最近密集在一些機關去做訪視我們希望說今年可以提出針對他們跟民間之間工作的內容還有待遇的部分我們做一個比較全盤性的一個瞭解因為我們不去\n市長,您最近調查我們跟民間企業的差距是多少倍?有這個數據嗎?因為其實我也認真的去看了一下你們的這個人事總處的網友我沒有看到好像相關資訊的揭露那麼到底你們所講的我們跟民間企業的薪資差距是差多少倍?這個部分我希望就是\n這個之後可以請人事總處這裡提供給我們大家知道最好能夠在網路上面公開有嗎?有數據嗎?有有我這裡跟委員再報告一下現在高考三級的起薪大概五萬三千五百二十那普考大概四萬一千沒關係你說如果是以高考三級的話跟相當於民間的其他的哪個企業的什麼樣的比例\n因為我們reference是勞動部企業分民間受雇員工的好沒關係我想因為時間的關係就麻煩就是請你之後再提供書面資料給委員我在這裡我想要講的就是其實日本的公務最高人事機關人事院他們是每一年都會去針對\n這個全日本的這個1萬多家企業40、40、50萬的員工去做薪資調查那麼依照這個他們的所做的薪資調查再來回比我們目前的就是日本的公務員的薪資調查然後他們會每年都要定期的做檢討但是就這個部分來講的話我沒有看到人事總處是不是每年都有定期的做檢討那麼這個這個部分的話是\n也跟我們目前沒有法制化有關因為在我們的軍公教待遇審議委員會裡面看起來現在只是不定期的要去做調新的審議你們每一年都有做嗎?\n包括委員,事實上每一年在調薪的時候,它裡面的一個衡量指標就是政府部門跟民間代議的差距,這一部分我們都有做。可是因為這樣子的一個差距都沒有公開,所以至於讓大家也不知道就是說為什麼我們現在這個看到這個一般民間企業的薪水是不斷的調漲,主要是他們當然還有很多的\n議員議員議員議員\n二、審查及處理113年度中央\n事實上為什麼我們軍公教大議他會來自不同的有國防部的代表然後也有教育部的代表是但是都只有一名好謝謝那我的意思是說依照現在法律裡面的規定的話他應該是行政院定之那麼行政院是不是應該成立不同的審議委員會來審議軍公教的待遇而不是合併在同一個審議委員會裡面來談\n好那接下來當然就今天委員其實還包含之前有委員有提到就是有關於軍公教待遇的條新審議一直沒有法制化那沒有法制化的問題我看你們在這次的預算解凍案裡面你們還是想說是未來要朝向法制化這明明就是一個簡單的事情我跟委員報告我們今年一定會法制化會完成法制化\n好,如果你們不完成的話我會幫你們提案。接下來還有一個問題就是有關於我們剛剛講的軍公教既然大家工作性質不一樣可是卻又適用同一套的諷點標準那麼請問有關於我們現在的這個諷表是由誰訂定的?\n奉表在就是我們的就是那被送奉集法對奉集法我們這個奉表有多少年沒有調整過幾年上次我們現在的值等喔軍公教值等從1到14值等然後我們的奉點從160點到800點這個奉表有經過調整嗎\n我必須說因為這裡看起來是很久沒有調整那麼這個部分我也希望就是人事總處這裡回去可以研議接下來我們剛剛講的那個軍公教工作性質就不一樣所以不應該都適用同一套的文官的縫緊就是不應該適用單一的縫表它應該還是要有所區別還有就是說目前大家有討論現在的縫點結構到底合不合理\n從160點奉點到現在800點已經非常多年好像都是像這樣子的一個情況那還有就是奉點的折算額看起來這個部分是涉及到調薪的時候就會去檢討奉點折算額請問像奉點折算額的部分是人事行政總處這裡會決定嗎?奉點折算份額是待遇調整的時候我們會\n所以我認為說其實呢簡單來說如果我們今天希望能夠整體拉高軍公教的待遇一個非常簡單的做法也甚至不用這麼這個大幅的修法就是直接去調高縫點的折算額\n這個部分其實就可以解決這個問題那麼如果說我們還要回到就是說是要去討論各式各樣不同的家級還有給予獎勵等等的話這個其實又太複雜了好那最後呢我還想要請教一個問題是有關於育嬰價的問題育嬰那麼現在留職停薪\n預應留職停薪這也是在你們這次計畫書裡面有講的你們也一直希望能夠提高預應留職停薪的這個發放的津貼然後來鼓勵這個公園能夠多養育小孩可是我認為有一個嚴重的就是應該有一個結構性的問題就是因為你們的計算標準都是以本縫\n過去是本縫的6成然後前兩年因為配合行政院要落實0到6歲的這個子女國家養的這個政策所以有調高多2成現在是領本縫的8成但是本縫本身還是低壓\n他的這個母數本身就是低那你再乘以八成他還是低所以我是建議就是說這個也是請人事長回去可以思考是不是未來有關於像育嬰留職停薪的津貼應該要以他的全心\n來做考量以全新的7成或8成那這樣的話我覺得是真的可以幫助到養育子女的這個公務員同時我們現在的這個育嬰留庭是3歲子女3歲以下才可以請領既然行政院的政策是0到6歲國家養為什麼不提放寬\n可以申請的資格6歲以下只要家中有6歲以下的公務員都可以申請這個預應留職停薪的今天我跟委員簡單的說明一下就是公保法的限制啦公保法的規範就是本婚的以本婚為計算基準\n而且三足稅這些都在公保法如果委員剛才所指教的問題我們要去調整的話事實上沿途還是公保法你們要去做改所以要修法就是了對公保法好那現在憲宜說你們可以往這方面去思考我們再把意見反映給情緒部好的好好的謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.420 --> 00:13.621\n主席有請人事長請蘇人事長市長辛苦了從今天一早就開始接受委員們的提問跟這個準備很多的詢問那麼我看了您這裡所提出來的人事推動\n\n00:35.181 --> 00:46.606\n人事數位人事服務的數位轉型報告裡面有非常多的未來針對數位轉型的這個措施我自己非常佩服因為這也是人事長您過去也曾經\n\n00:47.624 --> 01:12.818\n在其他的機關裏面都有推動過關於數位轉型那就這個部分的話我非常的敬佩提了非常好的一些措施希望能夠能夠減緩舒解未來我們公務體系人力的這個壓力那麼當然我更這個欽佩就是這個人事長在百忙之中還可以常常去其他的不同的\n\n01:13.362 --> 01:32.148\n美術館、博物館和去參訪,那就像吳思堯委員一樣有非常豐富的這個文化生活。我進立法院現在大概一個半月左右,我已經覺得忙得不可開交,直到這個上星期天,上星期六才有機會去看了一個牡丹亭的昆劇的表演。\n\n01:33.004 --> 01:44.331\n那麼我必須說其實以我個人的觀察公務機關裡面不管是軍公教其實大家的工作都非常的繁忙忙碌尤其是加班\n\n01:45.393 --> 02:00.289\n的這個很多的這個時間都必須要專注在公務的體系上面公務的事務方面那這部分的話確實是這個大家都很辛苦那也因為其實公務員現在的這個\n\n02:03.912 --> 02:18.220\n的公務、他的業務越來越復雜而且實際上就是大家的工作壓力非常大那這也涉及到就是剛剛前面幾位委員都有在談為什麼現在報考公務人員的\n\n02:21.082 --> 02:41.550\n這個人數越來越少我想這個基本上也跟我們的現在公務員的薪資軍公教的薪資普遍比民間企業要來的低因為低薪所以就不容易攬財我想這個是一個還蠻清楚的一個事情那我想請教就是人事長在\n\n02:43.131 --> 03:04.867\n這個最近這些年到底人事總處這裡有沒有曾經調查過我們國家的軍公教人員或是說我們就算是講的是公教人員的薪資與民間企業員工薪資的差距有沒有做過這樣的調查那麼甚至就是我國跟其他國家的公務員的薪資調查\n\n03:06.810 --> 03:31.345\n我跟委員報告大概每一年我們都會做一次調查因為就如同委員知道我們現在每一年大一審議委員會我們都會basedon所謂的通膨還有經濟成長力民間薪資的問題還有國家財政相關的議題所以這些跟民間薪資的部分所以也是因為我們有做這樣的一個調查\n\n03:32.606 --> 03:58.922\n所以我們最近針對某些科系像土木的建築的在公務機關人才比較不容易招募的部分我們最近密集在一些機關去做訪視我們希望說今年可以提出針對他們跟民間之間工作的內容還有待遇的部分我們做一個比較全盤性的一個瞭解因為我們不去\n\n04:04.485 --> 04:27.037\n市長,您最近調查我們跟民間企業的差距是多少倍?有這個數據嗎?因為其實我也認真的去看了一下你們的這個人事總處的網友我沒有看到好像相關資訊的揭露那麼到底你們所講的我們跟民間企業的薪資差距是差多少倍?這個部分我希望就是\n\n04:28.377 --> 04:50.504\n這個之後可以請人事總處這裡提供給我們大家知道最好能夠在網路上面公開有嗎?有數據嗎?有有我這裡跟委員再報告一下現在高考三級的起薪大概五萬三千五百二十那普考大概四萬一千沒關係你說如果是以高考三級的話跟相當於民間的其他的哪個企業的什麼樣的比例\n\n04:52.502 --> 05:11.454\n因為我們reference是勞動部企業分民間受雇員工的好沒關係我想因為時間的關係就麻煩就是請你之後再提供書面資料給委員我在這裡我想要講的就是其實日本的公務最高人事機關人事院他們是每一年都會去針對\n\n05:13.375 --> 05:37.172\n這個全日本的這個1萬多家企業40、40、50萬的員工去做薪資調查那麼依照這個他們的所做的薪資調查再來回比我們目前的就是日本的公務員的薪資調查然後他們會每年都要定期的做檢討但是就這個部分來講的話我沒有看到人事總處是不是每年都有定期的做檢討那麼這個這個部分的話是\n\n05:41.135 --> 05:52.834\n也跟我們目前沒有法制化有關因為在我們的軍公教待遇審議委員會裡面看起來現在只是不定期的要去做調新的審議你們每一年都有做嗎?\n\n05:53.956 --> 06:15.934\n包括委員,事實上每一年在調薪的時候,它裡面的一個衡量指標就是政府部門跟民間代議的差距,這一部分我們都有做。可是因為這樣子的一個差距都沒有公開,所以至於讓大家也不知道就是說為什麼我們現在這個看到這個一般民間企業的薪水是不斷的調漲,主要是他們當然還有很多的\n\n06:36.997 --> 06:38.117\n二、審查及處理113年度中央\n\n07:06.014 --> 07:29.232\n事實上為什麼我們軍公教大議他會來自不同的有國防部的代表然後也有教育部的代表是但是都只有一名好謝謝那我的意思是說依照現在法律裡面的規定的話他應該是行政院定之那麼行政院是不是應該成立不同的審議委員會來審議軍公教的待遇而不是合併在同一個審議委員會裡面來談\n\n07:31.374 --> 07:53.066\n好那接下來當然就今天委員其實還包含之前有委員有提到就是有關於軍公教待遇的條新審議一直沒有法制化那沒有法制化的問題我看你們在這次的預算解凍案裡面你們還是想說是未來要朝向法制化這明明就是一個簡單的事情我跟委員報告我們今年一定會法制化會完成法制化\n\n07:54.747 --> 08:09.676\n好,如果你們不完成的話我會幫你們提案。接下來還有一個問題就是有關於我們剛剛講的軍公教既然大家工作性質不一樣可是卻又適用同一套的諷點標準那麼請問有關於我們現在的這個諷表是由誰訂定的?\n\n08:17.741 --> 08:26.383\n奉表在就是我們的就是那被送奉集法對奉集法我們這個奉表有多少年沒有調整過幾年上次我們現在的值等喔軍公教值等從1到14值等然後我們的奉點從160點到800點這個奉表有經過調整嗎\n\n08:48.393 --> 09:15.279\n我必須說因為這裡看起來是很久沒有調整那麼這個部分我也希望就是人事總處這裡回去可以研議接下來我們剛剛講的那個軍公教工作性質就不一樣所以不應該都適用同一套的文官的縫緊就是不應該適用單一的縫表它應該還是要有所區別還有就是說目前大家有討論現在的縫點結構到底合不合理\n\n09:20.282 --> 09:39.498\n從160點奉點到現在800點已經非常多年好像都是像這樣子的一個情況那還有就是奉點的折算額看起來這個部分是涉及到調薪的時候就會去檢討奉點折算額請問像奉點折算額的部分是人事行政總處這裡會決定嗎?奉點折算份額是待遇調整的時候我們會\n\n09:44.110 --> 09:50.735\n所以我認為說其實呢簡單來說如果我們今天希望能夠整體拉高軍公教的待遇一個非常簡單的做法也甚至不用這麼這個大幅的修法就是直接去調高縫點的折算額\n\n10:14.922 --> 10:29.779\n這個部分其實就可以解決這個問題那麼如果說我們還要回到就是說是要去討論各式各樣不同的家級還有給予獎勵等等的話這個其實又太複雜了好那最後呢我還想要請教一個問題是有關於育嬰價的問題育嬰那麼現在留職停薪\n\n10:36.326 --> 11:02.215\n預應留職停薪這也是在你們這次計畫書裡面有講的你們也一直希望能夠提高預應留職停薪的這個發放的津貼然後來鼓勵這個公園能夠多養育小孩可是我認為有一個嚴重的就是應該有一個結構性的問題就是因為你們的計算標準都是以本縫\n\n11:04.573 --> 11:20.503\n過去是本縫的6成然後前兩年因為配合行政院要落實0到6歲的這個子女國家養的這個政策所以有調高多2成現在是領本縫的8成但是本縫本身還是低壓\n\n11:22.165 --> 11:38.562\n他的這個母數本身就是低那你再乘以八成他還是低所以我是建議就是說這個也是請人事長回去可以思考是不是未來有關於像育嬰留職停薪的津貼應該要以他的全心\n\n11:40.090 --> 12:00.731\n來做考量以全新的7成或8成那這樣的話我覺得是真的可以幫助到養育子女的這個公務員同時我們現在的這個育嬰留庭是3歲子女3歲以下才可以請領既然行政院的政策是0到6歲國家養為什麼不提放寬\n\n12:01.992 --> 12:18.798\n可以申請的資格6歲以下只要家中有6歲以下的公務員都可以申請這個預應留職停薪的今天我跟委員簡單的說明一下就是公保法的限制啦公保法的規範就是本婚的以本婚為計算基準\n\n12:21.119 --> 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