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00:00:39,421\n徐委員好謝謝部長針對我們行人交通安全設施的努力不過因為本席在調閱相關數據的時候有發現一個問題就是除了剛剛我們林郡縣委員跟蔡衍委員提到的一些數據之外針對審計部跟所謂內政部的一個數據上面出現將近有10%的一個人行道普及率的一個落差請教部長這部分的數據到底哪一個是真的\n\n3\n00:00:44,945 --> 00:01:07,158\n對,我跟委員報告應該是還是以我們屬統計的比較準確因為他引用的這個數據我們到現在還不是很清楚他的統計圖表中間有沒有所謂的交錯或是有重疊或是他認定的道路基準有沒有一致那所以我們當時才會去認定以我們的這一個這說明還是以我們的為準\n\n4\n00:01:08,091 --> 00:01:35,964\n這部分本期建議我們部裡面還是要去澄清避免造成大家的誤解有跟審計部說明過對那另外一個請教部長就是我們在行人交通安全條例的第4條有規定一個績效的評比那就本期的了解那其實針對非六都尤其是屏東縣來講其實我們縣政府都很努力在做一些的設施改善但是會受限到一些條件上的限制那造成績效上的一個\n\n5\n00:01:36,644 --> 00:01:37,085\n徐富癸\n\n6\n00:01:54,090 --> 00:01:54,530\n徐富癸徐富癸\n\n7\n00:02:16,391 --> 00:02:16,551\n議員黃捷等16人擬具\n\n8\n00:02:42,878 --> 00:03:03,285\n所以跟委員報告就是說我們這個也是會從提案的過程當中就要開始去審核他的這個內容確不確實因為過去有我才跟委員講過去有時間就都控制在一年從提案到施工完成要一年我們現在就拉長同意他拉長就是你要一開始也要把問題點提出來\n\n9\n00:03:04,785 --> 00:03:19,955\n所以我們會把這個考核延伸到鄉鎮公所本席的意思是說因為我們之前看到的很多的我們的人行步道我們想要做的做不到了我們要坐在公共的旁邊坐在三點多真的是很離譜啦\n\n10\n00:03:21,117 --> 00:03:33,074\n所以才會說我們在實際上在查核案子的時候才今年度開始就是說要把它拉長第二個也包含審核期我們就要在這過程當中要嚴格注意這個問題你能不能確實達到這樣的一個效果\n\n11\n00:03:36,613 --> 00:03:59,081\n還有一個很重要的問題,就是剛剛聽到林委員跟我們的蔡理商委員提到6度的普及率各有30幾%、70%,屏東縣不到10%啦,本市聽到很心酸的。我想我們也是這個有納稅,我們應該享受普及的一個人行步道,那這部分怎麼樣請部長跟署長來協助我們屏東縣?\n\n12\n00:04:01,251 --> 00:04:23,720\n因為過去的確就是我們在提案上當然縣市政府也會有他自己為難就是說他想做的部分那或是鄉鎮公所所提案的部分那這個部分就是雙方要來做一個折衷協調因為過去在屏東的確有這一類的問題就是說縣市政府認為應該優先的結果鄉鎮公所並不想提\n\n13\n00:04:24,460 --> 00:04:40,337\n那這個部分就是我們為什麼第一個要有公民參與就是鼓勵民眾優先來提案第二個我們也會在這過程當中現地去查核去確認看它是不是有優先的一個效益第三個你有沒有忽略了中間過程中會遇到的困難\n\n14\n00:04:41,420 --> 00:04:42,341\n議員黃捷等16人發言\n\n15\n00:05:00,113 --> 00:05:14,066\n另外還有一個很重要的問題就是要拜託部長來協助因為我們現在墾丁大街我想之前也發生過一些很多人車震盪的新聞尤其現在暑假期間人潮車潮都非常多\n\n16\n00:05:15,067 --> 00:05:41,287\n本席跟屏東縣政府我們有一次想要去做這樣的一個人行步道一個改善計畫但是現在碰到有可能公路總局跟我們的坑管處會有不同的意見那一樣都在部裡面的一個單位那這後續要請部長來做協調一下我們怎麼樣把墾林大街的交通狀況可以做一個有效的改善也避免一些人車、一些散網的一些事件那這點請部長做一個承諾好不好\n\n17\n00:05:43,024 --> 00:06:11,588\n那是不是請委員把這個你的建議或者是意見能夠提供給我們部長這我們後續會來講後續再進一步討論謝謝那第二問題我想請教一下部長就是針對我們這個污水處理的問題啦那屏東縣我想我們也是一個目前在發展一個觀光但是我們的普及率是在全國倒數第7那我想這個署長也常常去屏東也很了解屏東的狀況\n\n18\n00:06:12,388 --> 00:06:12,609\n委員黃捷等16人擬具\n\n19\n00:06:30,149 --> 00:06:31,210\n徐富癸徐富癸徐富癸\n\n20\n00:06:57,657 --> 00:07:13,773\n一般的鄉鎮它的人數不多啦所以或許在KPI或是它的一個產生的效果或許沒有那麼好但是這就要考慮鄉鎮的差異過去比較重視呈現的這一個處理量\n\n21\n00:07:37,767 --> 00:07:38,288\n委員黃捷等16人擬具\n\n22\n00:07:54,740 --> 00:08:22,537\n最後一個問題就是我們最近有接到鄉親陳情針對大鵬灣開發的部分有聽說需要我們要回饋25%的一個土地會不會變成一個很多的棲林地根據委員報告這就是其實大鵬灣早期他劃的時候他必須要整體開發因為他是大面積規劃他沒有留公社所以在但是整體開發又不可行因為土地太細分了\n\n23\n00:08:23,317 --> 00:08:23,697\n徐富癸\n\n24\n00:08:46,854 --> 00:08:47,074\n徐富癸徐富癸\n\n25\n00:09:13,049 --> 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