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00:05:06,765\n另外一個管道中科院委制那這個部分是軍規軍用其實我講這麼多主要是希望說我們未來的嘉義中科院無人機的院區我們希望中科院能夠加強力道跟我們民間的廠商的能量來一起為國防的產業來去努力但是我這邊在提在2017年的時候在國安會的時候去喬治城大學那他們跟史丹佛大學有一個合作那叫做\n\n14\n00:05:08,126 --> 00:05:33,013\nMD5BootCamp主要就是用5日的密集課程那這個課程主要是什麼把居民的平台給創建起來所以他們由國防部提供大概是5天的密集課程那對象是創業家科技人實驗家甚至還有教師還有矽谷的投資專家然後到美國的太平洋艦隊跟人員交流把美國遇到的國家安全的問題展現出來\n\n15\n00:05:34,754 --> 00:06:01,414\n當場就是這五天讓他們有一個基本的概念之後那未來在這個有可能遇到的問題的時候他們提出這個需求讓他們類似在駭客松的這種狀況之下來去tackle這個問題我想請教在無人機的產業這個部分有沒有可能集結類似這樣的狀況幫我們國家所遇到的挑戰跟需求比方說我們可能不是只是做這個攻擊性的我們做其他的這種\n\n16\n00:06:02,335 --> 00:06:04,295\n這部分部長有沒有想過或者是說討論過類似這樣的做法?\n\n17\n00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:47,319\n沒有,我就是剛剛委員講的一個團隊它能夠彌補我們國防部所需要的而中衛又不能夠完全達到的而且中衛它已經有方法要得到但是透過不同管道的話獲得會更加快速的就是現在所謂國家無人機隊的組合當初陳一也就在這個地方我們一個目標出來了\n\n18\n00:06:48,160 --> 00:07:01,967\n國防部所屬單位能做的,儘量由他來做,但是他要透過其他部會協助,能夠讓這個成品購得或者獲得更快的話,我們就自然會形成這個所謂的國家集隊的問題。\n\n19\n00:07:04,029 --> 00:07:30,090\n多朝這一方面但剛委員講他國防部可以召集很多人做一個行動的需求我們事實上就講說這一方面目前要的這個無人機除了商規以外我們國防部所要求的也就未來需要的只是沒有講那麼清楚用在哪一方面但多朝這一方面無人機運用真打或者真打一體也在朝這一方面只是沒有講那麼明白\n\n20\n00:07:30,771 --> 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請部長部長請謝謝\n村委好部長好部長我們行政院在嘉義民雄規劃了一個民雄航太園區那這個民雄航太園區主要是要來發展航太軍工還有無人機產業剛好跟今天的主題是一樣的那這個園區主要是164線道來分東西兩側那東邊的部分是中科院的航太及無人機園區那西邊是民雄航太及無人機產業園區\n東邊的中科院的院區是去年12月就動工那目前進展應該是蠻順利,2025年會竣工我想請教一下這個有沒有可能提早完工的可能性\n目前就依照進度公進來做明年會完就114年會結束也蠻快的嘛因為完工的時候就開始會有量產我們雅創是做研發的那在民雄這邊是做量產的部分民雄我那個地方是屬於中型的無人機的量產的地方謝謝\n但是我們想要請教的是西邊的民雄航太無人機產業園區其實這個我們在總諮詢的時候也問過院長我想請問部長有沒有介紹新的指示就是說這個地方會由誰來負責開發沒有我們在行政院他那邊會做一個決定但我們目前兩邊的都配合在不管供給各方面因為我有聽到我們縣府的這些同仁有提到說如果\n在有其他的單位,比方說不是中科院,比方說不是以國防部的單位來去處理的話,他怕時程可能會被延遲。所以我想請教,像中科院在龍潭也有類似的園區,龍園園區,上面也有廠商進駐,那同時也可以參與中科院的相關工作,來達到軍民的合作。我想請教這個部分有沒有可能,西側園區可以比照這樣子的潛力來去辦理,這種可能性是怎麼樣的?\n各位報告,我們目前的規劃,攜射就是廠商進駐來辦公,比照的方式就是收租,它的規模會比現在我的農園園區的規模還會大很多,而且它公用會比現在大很多。現在目前在行政院審議當中,所有的開發計畫書,\n所以東邊是由中科院那西邊的民雄航太的園區也可以像這樣居民通用成為居民通用的園區目前就這樣規劃就是一個產業園區由這個廠商來進駐那這個部門是由誰來去統籌的目前當然是由中科院來做整個整體規劃所以東邊跟西邊未來都是由中科院來去做統籌包含招商包含這些\n東側當然是由中科院來的,西側這個地方就未來我們會跟嘉義縣政府來做一個整體的合作。\n我們在今天的夜報有看到無人機的執行狀況那主要有中科院委制國內商購還有對外軍購那我們想討論一下國內商購的部分\n那商規軍用這個是跨部會合作那研究無人機開發5型共35架原型機那測試合格也未來會量產我想知道說這類的商規軍用按跨部會協助國內廠商研發透過經濟部遴選廠商國歌會投入資金這中間國防部的角色是什麼是提出需求\n還是有提出相關的協助?我跟委員報有提出需求,但我們本身的能力有多大,我們也有提出來。因為他是一個整個團隊,不光是完全採購,採購的話透過其他部會的話,不管在獲得方面,或者講說規格方面,都可以變成一個大家都公認可以用的,我們朝這方面去努力。\n另外一個管道中科院委制那這個部分是軍規軍用其實我講這麼多主要是希望說我們未來的嘉義中科院無人機的院區我們希望中科院能夠加強力道跟我們民間的廠商的能量來一起為國防的產業來去努力但是我這邊在提在2017年的時候在國安會的時候去喬治城大學那他們跟史丹佛大學有一個合作那叫做\nMD5 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Camp主要就是用5日的密集課程那這個課程主要是什麼把居民的平台給創建起來所以他們由國防部提供大概是5天的密集課程那對象是創業家科技人實驗家甚至還有教師還有矽谷的投資專家然後到美國的太平洋艦隊跟人員交流把美國遇到的國家安全的問題展現出來\n當場就是這五天讓他們有一個基本的概念之後那未來在這個有可能遇到的問題的時候他們提出這個需求讓他們類似在駭客松的這種狀況之下來去tackle這個問題我想請教在無人機的產業這個部分有沒有可能集結類似這樣的狀況幫我們國家所遇到的挑戰跟需求比方說我們可能不是只是做這個攻擊性的我們做其他的這種\n這部分部長有沒有想過或者是說討論過類似這樣的做法?\n沒有,我就是剛剛委員講的一個團隊它能夠彌補我們國防部所需要的而中衛又不能夠完全達到的而且中衛它已經有方法要得到但是透過不同管道的話獲得會更加快速的就是現在所謂國家無人機隊的組合當初陳一也就在這個地方我們一個目標出來了\n國防部所屬單位能做的,儘量由他來做,但是他要透過其他部會協助,能夠讓這個成品購得或者獲得更快的話,我們就自然會形成這個所謂的國家集隊的問題。\n多朝這一方面但剛委員講他國防部可以召集很多人做一個行動的需求我們事實上就講說這一方面目前要的這個無人機除了商規以外我們國防部所要求的也就未來需要的只是沒有講那麼清楚用在哪一方面但多朝這一方面無人機運用真打或者真打一體也在朝這一方面只是沒有講那麼明白\n國防部今年採購五款軍用商規的無人機,到時候會有三千多架的無人機服役到國軍。我們也看到一些今日的夜報也有提及到需要飛手的需求增加。\n我想了解未來這些飛手主要是由志願役來擔任還是義務役有沒有機會來操作所以剛剛委員問的問題剛剛前面陳委員他也特別提到這飛行操作所的訓練要看機種的我剛剛只是舉個比例加上我們人員跟裝備獲得的同時要做訓練但有一些不同層級的無人機的操作\n我講這個的部分不是針對國防而已我是針對國防當他們服完役之後未來的所獲得的軍動之間能力他可以來到的應用所以我是希望說鼓勵就是說我們來看一下不同的這個證照\n因為其實我們知道說現在的無人機的使用特別是在我們民修航太園區我們不是只是把它專注在軍用而已我是希望說未來的志願役跟義務役等他們服役結束之後他們所得到的證照可以馬上來去經濟所使用產業上來使用所以現在我看主要我們是用專業基本級的操作認證但是我是希望說有機會的話我們希望在軍中的生活能夠做好\n陳冠廷\n併請國防部長報告\n我跟委員報告我可以考慮但是他現在未來的效果如何我不敢保證我們發證照給他證照到其他部演了又\n那就要看人家來認定了。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 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