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00:01:13,767\n向委員報告,這個案件在昨天晚上發生之後那目前人的確是在經過了一個搶救目前人在家屋病房那在昨天也同步的聯繫了憲兵隊還有這個警方共同去查封現場跟查扣收整相關的政績那目前我們尚沒有辦法就確切的原因向委員做說明\n\n4\n00:01:15,607 --> 00:01:35,354\n目前因為又增加了一位,其實在我們今天的巡打的資料裡面我本來一開始也是希望關切這個事情,就是在3月份都還沒有過完可是在短短的這樣一個月以內,我們其實有9位\n\n5\n00:01:36,354 --> 00:02:04,156\n國軍的軍事官兵其實是不管是自殘也好發生意外也好這樣子的一個事件其實都讓大家非常的不捨跟驚訝可是我們比較在乎的他到底是什麼因素造成的其實剛剛也有提到他可能會走上這樣的一條路有很多的因素不管是如果是個人家庭或者感情因素我們可能\n\n6\n00:02:05,097 --> 00:02:05,137\n馬文君\n\n7\n00:02:23,933 --> 00:02:41,643\n從過去到現在其實在外交國防委員會也很長的一段時間可是在這麼短的時間我們接到的陳情案件非常高的比例就是它的業務量過重不管是來自於很多的家長其實都非常的擔心他們的孩子可能會想不開\n\n8\n00:02:43,064 --> 00:02:51,209\n當然對他們來很多人還是希望他們可以好好的去撐過這一段時間所以我們今天特別要來講這個問題的一個目的是因為現在\n\n9\n00:02:55,754 --> 00:03:12,121\n少子化就是一個很大的問題．這個不只是我們國軍．包括國安都有造成很大的影響．在這樣的一個部分．而且我想不會改變了．它只會越來越惡化而已．今年是12生肖裡面的龍年．照理說龍年生龍子的一個觀念．應該少子化的現象會改善．可是沒有\n\n10\n00:03:21,405 --> 00:03:21,445\n馬文君\n\n11\n00:03:50,386 --> 00:03:56,992\n很多委員在關心這個事情的時候大家的面相好像也不太一樣現面參謀長也提到就是我們211營在目前的邊線比是60幾%那發生不幸的事件以後希望把它提升到72%就是會從其他的單位調26名的人員來補充\n\n12\n00:04:16,349 --> 00:04:29,394\n有強調他們是自願的可是我想要請問一下如果你從各單位去調這些人來那各單位是不是又缺了他的邊線比又更低我們需要的並不是挖東牆補西牆就是你不要讓他變成是軍品的概念\n\n13\n00:04:36,761 --> 00:04:57,571\n所以我接下來要提的就是我們不要再增加這麼多的業務了因為你像這個主客觀的因素沒有辦法改變的情況之下像我們一直不斷持續我們的人力一直在減少我們的募兵的成效也沒有辦法達到尤其是比較艱苦的一些部隊單位根本募不到人\n\n14\n00:04:58,772 --> 00:05:09,200\n那你的人力越少他的勤務業務量又越多那他就越艱苦那就更沒有人要去所以在那裡的人都非常的辛苦大家都紛紛想要轉走要調走\n\n15\n00:05:12,912 --> 00:05:40,583\n可是我們卻不斷的一直要增加新成立的一個單位比如說像過去我們新訓的後備旅我們運動科學推展中心心理輔導衛教中心無人機操作手訓練中心我們還要持續不斷的增加這些訓練中心你只要增加一個中心它就必須要增加人包括主任副主任包括其他的像財務各方面的人都必須要部署進去你又把人稀釋掉了\n\n16\n00:05:41,763 --> 00:05:45,927\n這對我們來說只是雪上加霜所以像這個部分剛剛有很多今天\n\n17\n00:05:47,355 --> 00:06:04,701\n要提到的部分這個部分我們是不是請部長就這個部分是不是可以給全班的考量因為部長您是從基層一步一步上來對於現在整體的發展而且甚至包括國安現在所有的條件面向您是最清楚的這個部分我們適不適合還要設這麼多新的單位你已經沒有人了\n\n18\n00:06:11,744 --> 00:06:23,391\n你讓一個人做三個人的工作或四個人的工作你只要一調走就更業務量更大一直成立這些東西比如說像剛剛提到的\n\n19\n00:06:25,595 --> 00:06:50,687\n無人機訓練手的這個部分操作手的這個部分我們那麼多的無人機你現在拿槍的人都不夠了你每一個人還要去訓練無人機我們不是說不要無人機非常重要因為這個在之前我們甚至也提出來了可是國防部不需要做退輔會的工作我們有很多的空軍他是要特別到民間或者成立一個新的訓練中心他才會開飛機嗎\n\n20\n00:06:53,889 --> 00:06:57,231\n你今天在我們的航校你就是在航校在陸軍在空軍官校裡面你就開課就好了你就讓很多他們有能量然後去把他好好的學他必須是專才不是每個人都要會\n\n21\n00:07:10,222 --> 00:07:28,350\n所以我們希望我們的政策要做了以後不要再去影響其他的,這個部份部長有什麼看法?我跟委員報告,委員剛剛一語道破,就是說希望每一樣工作都有人做得很好,就班隊也不斷地開,但少子化說不光我們國內有這種狀況\n\n22\n00:07:29,631 --> 00:07:39,134\n我們現在少子化原因是十多年前就已經開始人口減少了所以我們這都考量嘛我也經常跟同仁強調講說我們不要針對這個問題彌補了以後挖東牆補西牆這很忌諱的所以我們一定秉照剛剛委員所講的我現在講的簡單、扼要\n\n23\n00:07:48,877 --> 00:08:07,498\n能夠便於操作,這是第一個。第二個,問題一發生以後,我們能夠做到一個地步,就是說不要怪罪在基層幹部他們執行力的問題。沒有他執行不好,但是因為你責任不斷的賦予他的人力就那麼多,經驗又不夠,當然會出這些問題。\n\n24\n00:08:08,699 --> 00:08:27,046\n這我們從全面的我們來做一個改進但我的經驗就是說講多了不如務實去做我們是已經在這樣做了讓基層幹部把這個任務搞得很清楚而且很簡單可以不斷的推動我們就朝這一方面去努力\n\n25\n00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:46,534\n就這個部分我相信部長也知道他的問題點我們希望不要再一直增設很多很多你必須要把人力抽掉的這樣子的一個單位剛剛我念的那些到頭來他們到底執行了什麼我想這個都是可以去檢視的那我們今天談到無人機當然我們也用一點時間來看看就是說今年當然戰場上不管是\n\n26\n00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:54,020\n：馬文君\n\n27\n00:09:15,710 --> 00:09:18,372\n戰場想定上面我們到底需要什麼樣的無人機從現在看起來到目前為止我們顯然都是偵查型的比較多可是我們只是要偵查型的對我們的整體的戰場上面真的是需要的嗎是只是要這樣嗎\n\n28\n00:09:35,595 --> 00:09:58,754\n當然我們都希望如果更進一步,剛剛委員表上有打了很多問號事實上各層級有一些結果,我建議講說是我們請專人到委員那邊主向做說明有很多事情在這兩天公開不好講,而且也沒多久時間,可能越描大家就變得誤會越深但國軍在這一方面目前無人機的執行,絕對不僅僅限於\n\n29\n00:10:01,877 --> 00:10:02,558\n﹚馬文君﹚馬文君﹚\n\n30\n00:10:19,811 --> 00:10:22,934\n因為其實就整個無人機我們的運用或者我們未來的整體國家隊的推動其實就我們的業務報告裡面其實我是有一點意見不過因為今天時間的關係我們可能以後找機會再來做探討可是我們想要利用一點點時間在這裡還是要提出來因為我們剛剛提到就是看到很多的戰場\n\n31\n00:10:43,314 --> 00:10:47,615\n實際運用無人機的狀況所以大家都希望把這個的能量可以提升可是我們希望我們的無人機其實我們是希望達到集戰力所以會突然編很多的經費我們不管是採購也好或者像要軍購也好其實都是希望可以很快速的去填補\n\n32\n00:11:06,201 --> 00:11:26,258\n事實上中科院已經有很長的時間而且花超過至少百億以上的預算其實在研發這個無人機所以它的成效到時候可能要一併的來探討可是我們還是要在這裡提兩個大原則第一個就是形成集戰力的一個很重要的因素就是計轉因為在二屋戰爭不好意思主席\n\n33\n00:11:30,221 --> 00:11:45,316\n俄烏戰爭裡面或者以哈戰爭其實它最重要的像遊蕩彈藥其實它的模組它可以迅速的轉換不管它是要攻擊裝甲車攻擊人或者其他的它可以很迅速的做這樣子的調整\n\n34\n00:11:46,417 --> 00:11:50,460\n所以我們的載體應該是中科院其實已經有一些能量因為你已經花掉太多錢了你結合民間的部分我們要怎麼樣計轉因為國外顯然是非常成熟首先我們如果要形成集戰力第一個就是計轉\n\n35\n00:12:03,849 --> 00:12:04,109\n馬文君：馬文君\n\n36\n00:12:34,535 --> 00:12:57,122\n臺灣不可能做不到因為未來必須要量很大而且不可能從外部提供但要的部分我們必須要自己去做可以自己去量產就這兩個部分再請部長還有相關的單位可以去做一個全面的考量那下次有機會再探討就剛剛的部分無人機的反制系統我們請\n\n37\n00:12:58,362 --> 00:12:59,083\n謝謝馬文君委員部長各位請回\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n530\t1492\t謝主席 麻煩請部長來 部長請\n16540\t43598\t法院好部長好部長剛剛要上台之前又看到一則新聞的訊息就是在我們陸軍航特部的有一位一名士官在昨天晚上7點多的時候倒在營區的兵舍前方目前還在ICU病房那可以知道他是甚麼原因嗎目前有掌握嗎請陸軍跟您說\n45639\t73767\t向委員報告,這個案件在昨天晚上發生之後那目前人的確是在經過了一個搶救目前人在家屋病房那在昨天也同步的聯繫了憲兵隊還有這個警方共同去查封現場跟查扣收整相關的政績那目前我們尚沒有辦法就確切的原因向委員做說明\n75607\t95354\t目前因為又增加了一位,其實在我們今天的巡打的資料裡面我本來一開始也是希望關切這個事情,就是在3月份都還沒有過完可是在短短的這樣一個月以內,我們其實有9位\n96354\t124156\t國軍的軍事官兵其實是不管是自殘也好發生意外也好這樣子的一個事件其實都讓大家非常的不捨跟驚訝可是我們比較在乎的他到底是什麼因素造成的其實剛剛也有提到他可能會走上這樣的一條路有很多的因素不管是如果是個人家庭或者感情因素我們可能\n125097\t125137\t馬文君\n143933\t161643\t從過去到現在其實在外交國防委員會也很長的一段時間可是在這麼短的時間我們接到的陳情案件非常高的比例就是它的業務量過重不管是來自於很多的家長其實都非常的擔心他們的孩子可能會想不開\n163064\t171209\t當然對他們來很多人還是希望他們可以好好的去撐過這一段時間所以我們今天特別要來講這個問題的一個目的是因為現在\n175754\t192121\t少子化就是一個很大的問題．這個不只是我們國軍．包括國安都有造成很大的影響．在這樣的一個部分．而且我想不會改變了．它只會越來越惡化而已．今年是12生肖裡面的龍年．照理說龍年生龍子的一個觀念．應該少子化的現象會改善．可是沒有\n201405\t201445\t馬文君\n230386\t236992\t很多委員在關心這個事情的時候大家的面相好像也不太一樣現面參謀長也提到就是我們211營在目前的邊線比是60幾%那發生不幸的事件以後希望把它提升到72%就是會從其他的單位調26名的人員來補充\n256349\t269394\t有強調他們是自願的可是我想要請問一下如果你從各單位去調這些人來那各單位是不是又缺了他的邊線比又更低我們需要的並不是挖東牆補西牆就是你不要讓他變成是軍品的概念\n276761\t297571\t所以我接下來要提的就是我們不要再增加這麼多的業務了因為你像這個主客觀的因素沒有辦法改變的情況之下像我們一直不斷持續我們的人力一直在減少我們的募兵的成效也沒有辦法達到尤其是比較艱苦的一些部隊單位根本募不到人\n298772\t309200\t那你的人力越少他的勤務業務量又越多那他就越艱苦那就更沒有人要去所以在那裡的人都非常的辛苦大家都紛紛想要轉走要調走\n312912\t340583\t可是我們卻不斷的一直要增加新成立的一個單位比如說像過去我們新訓的後備旅我們運動科學推展中心心理輔導衛教中心無人機操作手訓練中心我們還要持續不斷的增加這些訓練中心你只要增加一個中心它就必須要增加人包括主任副主任包括其他的像財務各方面的人都必須要部署進去你又把人稀釋掉了\n341763\t345927\t這對我們來說只是雪上加霜所以像這個部分剛剛有很多今天\n347355\t364701\t要提到的部分這個部分我們是不是請部長就這個部分是不是可以給全班的考量因為部長您是從基層一步一步上來對於現在整體的發展而且甚至包括國安現在所有的條件面向您是最清楚的這個部分我們適不適合還要設這麼多新的單位你已經沒有人了\n371744\t383391\t你讓一個人做三個人的工作或四個人的工作你只要一調走就更業務量更大一直成立這些東西比如說像剛剛提到的\n385595\t410687\t無人機訓練手的這個部分操作手的這個部分我們那麼多的無人機你現在拿槍的人都不夠了你每一個人還要去訓練無人機我們不是說不要無人機非常重要因為這個在之前我們甚至也提出來了可是國防部不需要做退輔會的工作我們有很多的空軍他是要特別到民間或者成立一個新的訓練中心他才會開飛機嗎\n413889\t417231\t你今天在我們的航校你就是在航校在陸軍在空軍官校裡面你就開課就好了你就讓很多他們有能量然後去把他好好的學他必須是專才不是每個人都要會\n430222\t448350\t所以我們希望我們的政策要做了以後不要再去影響其他的,這個部份部長有什麼看法?我跟委員報告,委員剛剛一語道破,就是說希望每一樣工作都有人做得很好,就班隊也不斷地開,但少子化說不光我們國內有這種狀況\n449631\t459134\t我們現在少子化原因是十多年前就已經開始人口減少了所以我們這都考量嘛我也經常跟同仁強調講說我們不要針對這個問題彌補了以後挖東牆補西牆這很忌諱的所以我們一定秉照剛剛委員所講的我現在講的簡單、扼要\n468877\t487498\t能夠便於操作,這是第一個。第二個,問題一發生以後,我們能夠做到一個地步,就是說不要怪罪在基層幹部他們執行力的問題。沒有他執行不好,但是因為你責任不斷的賦予他的人力就那麼多,經驗又不夠,當然會出這些問題。\n488699\t507046\t這我們從全面的我們來做一個改進但我的經驗就是說講多了不如務實去做我們是已經在這樣做了讓基層幹部把這個任務搞得很清楚而且很簡單可以不斷的推動我們就朝這一方面去努力\n508120\t526534\t就這個部分我相信部長也知道他的問題點我們希望不要再一直增設很多很多你必須要把人力抽掉的這樣子的一個單位剛剛我念的那些到頭來他們到底執行了什麼我想這個都是可以去檢視的那我們今天談到無人機當然我們也用一點時間來看看就是說今年當然戰場上不管是\n533880\t534020\t：馬文君\n555710\t558372\t戰場想定上面我們到底需要什麼樣的無人機從現在看起來到目前為止我們顯然都是偵查型的比較多可是我們只是要偵查型的對我們的整體的戰場上面真的是需要的嗎是只是要這樣嗎\n575595\t598754\t當然我們都希望如果更進一步,剛剛委員表上有打了很多問號事實上各層級有一些結果,我建議講說是我們請專人到委員那邊主向做說明有很多事情在這兩天公開不好講,而且也沒多久時間,可能越描大家就變得誤會越深但國軍在這一方面目前無人機的執行,絕對不僅僅限於\n601877\t602558\t﹚馬文君﹚馬文君﹚\n619811\t622934\t因為其實就整個無人機我們的運用或者我們未來的整體國家隊的推動其實就我們的業務報告裡面其實我是有一點意見不過因為今天時間的關係我們可能以後找機會再來做探討可是我們想要利用一點點時間在這裡還是要提出來因為我們剛剛提到就是看到很多的戰場\n643314\t647615\t實際運用無人機的狀況所以大家都希望把這個的能量可以提升可是我們希望我們的無人機其實我們是希望達到集戰力所以會突然編很多的經費我們不管是採購也好或者像要軍購也好其實都是希望可以很快速的去填補\n666201\t686258\t事實上中科院已經有很長的時間而且花超過至少百億以上的預算其實在研發這個無人機所以它的成效到時候可能要一併的來探討可是我們還是要在這裡提兩個大原則第一個就是形成集戰力的一個很重要的因素就是計轉因為在二屋戰爭不好意思主席\n690221\t705316\t俄烏戰爭裡面或者以哈戰爭其實它最重要的像遊蕩彈藥其實它的模組它可以迅速的轉換不管它是要攻擊裝甲車攻擊人或者其他的它可以很迅速的做這樣子的調整\n706417\t710460\t所以我們的載體應該是中科院其實已經有一些能量因為你已經花掉太多錢了你結合民間的部分我們要怎麼樣計轉因為國外顯然是非常成熟首先我們如果要形成集戰力第一個就是計轉\n723849\t724109\t馬文君：馬文君\n754535\t777122\t臺灣不可能做不到因為未來必須要量很大而且不可能從外部提供但要的部分我們必須要自己去做可以自己去量產就這兩個部分再請部長還有相關的單位可以去做一個全面的考量那下次有機會再探討就剛剛的部分無人機的反制系統我們請\n778362\t779083\t謝謝馬文君委員 部長各位請回\n","txt":"謝主席 麻煩請部長來 部長請\n法院好部長好部長剛剛要上台之前又看到一則新聞的訊息就是在我們陸軍航特部的有一位一名士官在昨天晚上7點多的時候倒在營區的兵舍前方目前還在ICU病房那可以知道他是甚麼原因嗎目前有掌握嗎請陸軍跟您說\n向委員報告,這個案件在昨天晚上發生之後那目前人的確是在經過了一個搶救目前人在家屋病房那在昨天也同步的聯繫了憲兵隊還有這個警方共同去查封現場跟查扣收整相關的政績那目前我們尚沒有辦法就確切的原因向委員做說明\n目前因為又增加了一位,其實在我們今天的巡打的資料裡面我本來一開始也是希望關切這個事情,就是在3月份都還沒有過完可是在短短的這樣一個月以內,我們其實有9位\n國軍的軍事官兵其實是不管是自殘也好發生意外也好這樣子的一個事件其實都讓大家非常的不捨跟驚訝可是我們比較在乎的他到底是什麼因素造成的其實剛剛也有提到他可能會走上這樣的一條路有很多的因素不管是如果是個人家庭或者感情因素我們可能\n馬文君\n從過去到現在其實在外交國防委員會也很長的一段時間可是在這麼短的時間我們接到的陳情案件非常高的比例就是它的業務量過重不管是來自於很多的家長其實都非常的擔心他們的孩子可能會想不開\n當然對他們來很多人還是希望他們可以好好的去撐過這一段時間所以我們今天特別要來講這個問題的一個目的是因為現在\n少子化就是一個很大的問題．這個不只是我們國軍．包括國安都有造成很大的影響．在這樣的一個部分．而且我想不會改變了．它只會越來越惡化而已．今年是12生肖裡面的龍年．照理說龍年生龍子的一個觀念．應該少子化的現象會改善．可是沒有\n馬文君\n很多委員在關心這個事情的時候大家的面相好像也不太一樣現面參謀長也提到就是我們211營在目前的邊線比是60幾%那發生不幸的事件以後希望把它提升到72%就是會從其他的單位調26名的人員來補充\n有強調他們是自願的可是我想要請問一下如果你從各單位去調這些人來那各單位是不是又缺了他的邊線比又更低我們需要的並不是挖東牆補西牆就是你不要讓他變成是軍品的概念\n所以我接下來要提的就是我們不要再增加這麼多的業務了因為你像這個主客觀的因素沒有辦法改變的情況之下像我們一直不斷持續我們的人力一直在減少我們的募兵的成效也沒有辦法達到尤其是比較艱苦的一些部隊單位根本募不到人\n那你的人力越少他的勤務業務量又越多那他就越艱苦那就更沒有人要去所以在那裡的人都非常的辛苦大家都紛紛想要轉走要調走\n可是我們卻不斷的一直要增加新成立的一個單位比如說像過去我們新訓的後備旅我們運動科學推展中心心理輔導衛教中心無人機操作手訓練中心我們還要持續不斷的增加這些訓練中心你只要增加一個中心它就必須要增加人包括主任副主任包括其他的像財務各方面的人都必須要部署進去你又把人稀釋掉了\n這對我們來說只是雪上加霜所以像這個部分剛剛有很多今天\n要提到的部分這個部分我們是不是請部長就這個部分是不是可以給全班的考量因為部長您是從基層一步一步上來對於現在整體的發展而且甚至包括國安現在所有的條件面向您是最清楚的這個部分我們適不適合還要設這麼多新的單位你已經沒有人了\n你讓一個人做三個人的工作或四個人的工作你只要一調走就更業務量更大一直成立這些東西比如說像剛剛提到的\n無人機訓練手的這個部分操作手的這個部分我們那麼多的無人機你現在拿槍的人都不夠了你每一個人還要去訓練無人機我們不是說不要無人機非常重要因為這個在之前我們甚至也提出來了可是國防部不需要做退輔會的工作我們有很多的空軍他是要特別到民間或者成立一個新的訓練中心他才會開飛機嗎\n你今天在我們的航校你就是在航校在陸軍在空軍官校裡面你就開課就好了你就讓很多他們有能量然後去把他好好的學他必須是專才不是每個人都要會\n所以我們希望我們的政策要做了以後不要再去影響其他的,這個部份部長有什麼看法?我跟委員報告,委員剛剛一語道破,就是說希望每一樣工作都有人做得很好,就班隊也不斷地開,但少子化說不光我們國內有這種狀況\n我們現在少子化原因是十多年前就已經開始人口減少了所以我們這都考量嘛我也經常跟同仁強調講說我們不要針對這個問題彌補了以後挖東牆補西牆這很忌諱的所以我們一定秉照剛剛委員所講的我現在講的簡單、扼要\n能夠便於操作,這是第一個。第二個,問題一發生以後,我們能夠做到一個地步,就是說不要怪罪在基層幹部他們執行力的問題。沒有他執行不好,但是因為你責任不斷的賦予他的人力就那麼多,經驗又不夠,當然會出這些問題。\n這我們從全面的我們來做一個改進但我的經驗就是說講多了不如務實去做我們是已經在這樣做了讓基層幹部把這個任務搞得很清楚而且很簡單可以不斷的推動我們就朝這一方面去努力\n就這個部分我相信部長也知道他的問題點我們希望不要再一直增設很多很多你必須要把人力抽掉的這樣子的一個單位剛剛我念的那些到頭來他們到底執行了什麼我想這個都是可以去檢視的那我們今天談到無人機當然我們也用一點時間來看看就是說今年當然戰場上不管是\n：馬文君\n戰場想定上面我們到底需要什麼樣的無人機從現在看起來到目前為止我們顯然都是偵查型的比較多可是我們只是要偵查型的對我們的整體的戰場上面真的是需要的嗎是只是要這樣嗎\n當然我們都希望如果更進一步,剛剛委員表上有打了很多問號事實上各層級有一些結果,我建議講說是我們請專人到委員那邊主向做說明有很多事情在這兩天公開不好講,而且也沒多久時間,可能越描大家就變得誤會越深但國軍在這一方面目前無人機的執行,絕對不僅僅限於\n﹚馬文君﹚馬文君﹚\n因為其實就整個無人機我們的運用或者我們未來的整體國家隊的推動其實就我們的業務報告裡面其實我是有一點意見不過因為今天時間的關係我們可能以後找機會再來做探討可是我們想要利用一點點時間在這裡還是要提出來因為我們剛剛提到就是看到很多的戰場\n實際運用無人機的狀況所以大家都希望把這個的能量可以提升可是我們希望我們的無人機其實我們是希望達到集戰力所以會突然編很多的經費我們不管是採購也好或者像要軍購也好其實都是希望可以很快速的去填補\n事實上中科院已經有很長的時間而且花超過至少百億以上的預算其實在研發這個無人機所以它的成效到時候可能要一併的來探討可是我們還是要在這裡提兩個大原則第一個就是形成集戰力的一個很重要的因素就是計轉因為在二屋戰爭不好意思主席\n俄烏戰爭裡面或者以哈戰爭其實它最重要的像遊蕩彈藥其實它的模組它可以迅速的轉換不管它是要攻擊裝甲車攻擊人或者其他的它可以很迅速的做這樣子的調整\n所以我們的載體應該是中科院其實已經有一些能量因為你已經花掉太多錢了你結合民間的部分我們要怎麼樣計轉因為國外顯然是非常成熟首先我們如果要形成集戰力第一個就是計轉\n馬文君：馬文君\n臺灣不可能做不到因為未來必須要量很大而且不可能從外部提供但要的部分我們必須要自己去做可以自己去量產就這兩個部分再請部長還有相關的單位可以去做一個全面的考量那下次有機會再探討就剛剛的部分無人機的反制系統我們請\n謝謝馬文君委員 部長各位請回\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.530 --> 00:01.492\n謝主席麻煩請部長來部長請\n\n00:16.540 --> 00:43.598\n法院好部長好部長剛剛要上台之前又看到一則新聞的訊息就是在我們陸軍航特部的有一位一名士官在昨天晚上7點多的時候倒在營區的兵舍前方目前還在ICU病房那可以知道他是甚麼原因嗎目前有掌握嗎請陸軍跟您說\n\n00:45.639 --> 01:13.767\n向委員報告,這個案件在昨天晚上發生之後那目前人的確是在經過了一個搶救目前人在家屋病房那在昨天也同步的聯繫了憲兵隊還有這個警方共同去查封現場跟查扣收整相關的政績那目前我們尚沒有辦法就確切的原因向委員做說明\n\n01:15.607 --> 01:35.354\n目前因為又增加了一位,其實在我們今天的巡打的資料裡面我本來一開始也是希望關切這個事情,就是在3月份都還沒有過完可是在短短的這樣一個月以內,我們其實有9位\n\n01:36.354 --> 02:04.156\n國軍的軍事官兵其實是不管是自殘也好發生意外也好這樣子的一個事件其實都讓大家非常的不捨跟驚訝可是我們比較在乎的他到底是什麼因素造成的其實剛剛也有提到他可能會走上這樣的一條路有很多的因素不管是如果是個人家庭或者感情因素我們可能\n\n02:05.097 --> 02:05.137\n馬文君\n\n02:23.933 --> 02:41.643\n從過去到現在其實在外交國防委員會也很長的一段時間可是在這麼短的時間我們接到的陳情案件非常高的比例就是它的業務量過重不管是來自於很多的家長其實都非常的擔心他們的孩子可能會想不開\n\n02:43.064 --> 02:51.209\n當然對他們來很多人還是希望他們可以好好的去撐過這一段時間所以我們今天特別要來講這個問題的一個目的是因為現在\n\n02:55.754 --> 03:12.121\n少子化就是一個很大的問題．這個不只是我們國軍．包括國安都有造成很大的影響．在這樣的一個部分．而且我想不會改變了．它只會越來越惡化而已．今年是12生肖裡面的龍年．照理說龍年生龍子的一個觀念．應該少子化的現象會改善．可是沒有\n\n03:21.405 --> 03:21.445\n馬文君\n\n03:50.386 --> 03:56.992\n很多委員在關心這個事情的時候大家的面相好像也不太一樣現面參謀長也提到就是我們211營在目前的邊線比是60幾%那發生不幸的事件以後希望把它提升到72%就是會從其他的單位調26名的人員來補充\n\n04:16.349 --> 04:29.394\n有強調他們是自願的可是我想要請問一下如果你從各單位去調這些人來那各單位是不是又缺了他的邊線比又更低我們需要的並不是挖東牆補西牆就是你不要讓他變成是軍品的概念\n\n04:36.761 --> 04:57.571\n所以我接下來要提的就是我們不要再增加這麼多的業務了因為你像這個主客觀的因素沒有辦法改變的情況之下像我們一直不斷持續我們的人力一直在減少我們的募兵的成效也沒有辦法達到尤其是比較艱苦的一些部隊單位根本募不到人\n\n04:58.772 --> 05:09.200\n那你的人力越少他的勤務業務量又越多那他就越艱苦那就更沒有人要去所以在那裡的人都非常的辛苦大家都紛紛想要轉走要調走\n\n05:12.912 --> 05:40.583\n可是我們卻不斷的一直要增加新成立的一個單位比如說像過去我們新訓的後備旅我們運動科學推展中心心理輔導衛教中心無人機操作手訓練中心我們還要持續不斷的增加這些訓練中心你只要增加一個中心它就必須要增加人包括主任副主任包括其他的像財務各方面的人都必須要部署進去你又把人稀釋掉了\n\n05:41.763 --> 05:45.927\n這對我們來說只是雪上加霜所以像這個部分剛剛有很多今天\n\n05:47.355 --> 06:04.701\n要提到的部分這個部分我們是不是請部長就這個部分是不是可以給全班的考量因為部長您是從基層一步一步上來對於現在整體的發展而且甚至包括國安現在所有的條件面向您是最清楚的這個部分我們適不適合還要設這麼多新的單位你已經沒有人了\n\n06:11.744 --> 06:23.391\n你讓一個人做三個人的工作或四個人的工作你只要一調走就更業務量更大一直成立這些東西比如說像剛剛提到的\n\n06:25.595 --> 06:50.687\n無人機訓練手的這個部分操作手的這個部分我們那麼多的無人機你現在拿槍的人都不夠了你每一個人還要去訓練無人機我們不是說不要無人機非常重要因為這個在之前我們甚至也提出來了可是國防部不需要做退輔會的工作我們有很多的空軍他是要特別到民間或者成立一個新的訓練中心他才會開飛機嗎\n\n06:53.889 --> 06:57.231\n你今天在我們的航校你就是在航校在陸軍在空軍官校裡面你就開課就好了你就讓很多他們有能量然後去把他好好的學他必須是專才不是每個人都要會\n\n07:10.222 --> 07:28.350\n所以我們希望我們的政策要做了以後不要再去影響其他的,這個部份部長有什麼看法?我跟委員報告,委員剛剛一語道破,就是說希望每一樣工作都有人做得很好,就班隊也不斷地開,但少子化說不光我們國內有這種狀況\n\n07:29.631 --> 07:39.134\n我們現在少子化原因是十多年前就已經開始人口減少了所以我們這都考量嘛我也經常跟同仁強調講說我們不要針對這個問題彌補了以後挖東牆補西牆這很忌諱的所以我們一定秉照剛剛委員所講的我現在講的簡單、扼要\n\n07:48.877 --> 08:07.498\n能夠便於操作,這是第一個。第二個,問題一發生以後,我們能夠做到一個地步,就是說不要怪罪在基層幹部他們執行力的問題。沒有他執行不好,但是因為你責任不斷的賦予他的人力就那麼多,經驗又不夠,當然會出這些問題。\n\n08:08.699 --> 08:27.046\n這我們從全面的我們來做一個改進但我的經驗就是說講多了不如務實去做我們是已經在這樣做了讓基層幹部把這個任務搞得很清楚而且很簡單可以不斷的推動我們就朝這一方面去努力\n\n08:28.120 --> 08:46.534\n就這個部分我相信部長也知道他的問題點我們希望不要再一直增設很多很多你必須要把人力抽掉的這樣子的一個單位剛剛我念的那些到頭來他們到底執行了什麼我想這個都是可以去檢視的那我們今天談到無人機當然我們也用一點時間來看看就是說今年當然戰場上不管是\n\n08:53.880 --> 08:54.020\n：馬文君\n\n09:15.710 --> 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