{"id":150491,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150491","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9baf490faf5eb4d5d057541bd3776fb052100ef94a0b7c33f8ba9b0039caa7a6c83aa5707098847e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"張雅琳","委員發言時間":"11:16:18 - 11:28:53","影片長度":"00:12:35","會議時間":"2024-03-27T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請文化部部長史哲列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部主管預算(公務預算)解凍案8案。(如未接獲議事處來函，則不予處理或審查)【3月27日及28日二天一次會】）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":5,"committees":[22],"id":"委員會-11-1-22-5"},"date":"2024-03-27","duration":755,"end_time":"2024-03-27T11:28:53+08:00","start_time":"2024-03-27T11:16:18+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":678,"blocks":[["張委員雅琳：（11時16分）部長好，有請部長。"],["主席：有請部長。"],["史部長哲：委員好。"],["張委員雅琳：部長，首先非常感謝你，上次Taigi FLOW生活節。當時有些臺語的民間團體在活動上對於劇碼有一些爭議，當時跟部長反映之後，很快的請李靜慧次長來，在協調會上跟團體做一些溝通，現在大家都蠻能夠接受這樣的補救措施，首先非常感謝部長。","再來就是針對臺語這個議題，因為我自己是母語家庭，針對這個議題，會持續來跟部長做一些討論。目前使用臺語的人口其實持續在下降，我想大家應該都非常的清楚，從這張表來看，可能在現場的人很清楚，但是大部分民眾可能不是那麼瞭解，所以常常會講母語回家裡學的問題。事實上，使用臺語的人數持續下降，尤其在2010年，也就是109年普查的時候，只有三分之一的人主要是使用臺語的。我想請教部長，你認為我們現在做的這些臺語政策，是希望提升以臺語作為主要使用語言的人口嗎？"],["史部長哲：這當然是其中一個目的，可是我想情勢是比你顯示的數據更嚴重。"],["張委員雅琳：沒錯！"],["史部長哲：坦白講，年輕一代只要聽得懂，就已經算很不簡單了。"],["張委員雅琳：沒錯！所以我們的目標就是要提升臺語使用人口，讓更多人用，對不對？"],["史部長哲：當然。"],["張委員雅琳：可是我們看到這張表，如果要提升使用人口，30-39歲這個年齡層是迅速的下降，剛好這群人的小孩差不多就是11歲以下，所以我覺得親子家庭應該是最重要的重新振興臺語的族群，你認為對不對？"],["史部長哲：是，確實是以家庭為一個單位，就是所謂的臺語家庭、母語家庭。"],["張委員雅琳：對，沒錯。因為要提升使用人口數，一定要對症下藥，所以我覺得直接處理親子家庭，是最快可以提升。"],["史部長哲：是。"],["張委員雅琳：但是，我想要再看一個部分，現在臺語有一些發展的預算，5年321億元，每一年臺語發展預算是17億元，如果我們要翻轉30到39歲這個族群對於臺語的概念，其實有一個很重要的部分，如何透過影視文化來做觀念的改造，重振臺語。我看現在這份業務報告裡面沒有這六大項的詳細預算分配，我也不太確定成效是什麼，是不是可以請部長一週之內給我相關的預算分配，跟目前預估的成效？"],["史部長哲：好。"],["張委員雅琳：最近臺語臺有一部「鹽水大飯店」，這部戲劇其實非常受歡迎，而且全部用臺語，也講了一些臺灣的故事，對我來說，這是更能吸引普羅大眾對於臺語的觀感，所以這部分我希望我們可以持續投資。但是如果每年的發展預算只有17億元的話，每年固定17億元嘛！這樣該如何持續加大投資呢？我想請教部長。"],["史部長哲：是，我也向委員坦承，這17億是整個文化部跟臺語相關的部分。"],["張委員雅琳：對。"],["史部長哲：它不能說是專責。確實是納入方案沒錯，比如說17億元裡大概有8億元是臺語臺。"],["張委員雅琳：對。"],["史部長哲：臺語臺就占了8億元，所以扣掉8億元以後其實就只剩9億元。"],["張委員雅琳：對。"],["史部長哲：因為還有其他相關的預算，所以其實預算確實相當的緊繃。"],["張委員雅琳：如果效果很好，這部分的預算還會再增加嗎？還有增加的規劃嗎？。"],["史部長哲：這要打拼。"],["張委員雅琳：這要打拼喔！"],["史部長哲：對，所以很多臺語界的先進也在關心。意思就是，文化部有些臺語的預算看起來比別種語言相對較少，但是使用臺語的人數其實比較多。"],["張委員雅琳：對。"],["史部長哲：所以這確實是一個問題。如同剛才委員所說，就是要以家庭為中心，現在我們的調查裡應該有四分之一到三分之一的家庭是有主動想要傳承母語，但是需要更多的工具。"],["張委員雅琳：對，這是我下一個問題。"],["史部長哲：這是文化部的責任，需要有書、要有影像、要有動畫、要有辦法看，才有可能實行。不然即使有心，他們也不知道要如何在這個華語的環境裡，在家庭中讓孩子所接受到的是臺語，我想我們的責任跟目標很清楚。"],["張委員雅琳：對，因為剛剛部長也有提到母語家庭傳承的部分，我也想要跟部長再做一些討論，如同我們剛才所言，我們的預算是不是可以再調整？這就請部長再想想看。","再來，第二個部分是，針對我們的母語家庭，我們現在有分學習家庭跟傳承家庭，有不同的一些獎勵機制，但是我在想，針對傳承家庭，我們是不是可以做一些到社區的服務？例如可能有說故事的服務？現在執行圖書館說故事的時候，可能有講師培訓不及的問題，是不是可以在傳承家庭裡有一些這樣子的機制？讓其成為種子的講師進行散播，不然等於是只有在家裡自己講臺語，我覺得有點可惜。","這部分是不是可以再邀請我們民間的專家學者，大家一起來討論，關於傳承家庭還可不可以有更積極的一些社區參與方式呢？"],["史部長哲：是，這個我完全同意。尤其是經過這一次委員針對這件事情的提示，我們也強化跟縣市政府的合作，就是希望縣市政府說故事的制度能夠強化跟專業臺語團體的對接，我們透過預算的補助進行比較強烈的要求，至於進入社區，我想這是傳承家庭裡母語說得很好的人可以多做的事。"],["張委員雅琳：我們可以要求他。"],["史部長哲：由說得比較流利一點的帶較不流利的。"],["張委員雅琳：對，這樣才有辦法快一點，好嗎？"],["史部長哲：對啦！臺語也需要社區營造，這個我知道。"],["張委員雅琳：對，麻煩部長找團體來討論一下。還有現在目標是要有一萬個臺語家庭，之前的目標是115年要有五萬個、112年要有一萬個，目前我們達成的數字是多少？"],["史部長哲：這個是當初以臺語家庭為計畫的一個概念，但現實上我們現在目前還沒有辦法直接計算到底有多少個臺語家庭，因為這可能還需要一個大家集思廣益的認證方法，不過坦白說，這個確實也會亂掉。"],["張委員雅琳：不過因為之前的目標已經定出來，你已經有說要達成一萬個，所以之前就已經要想好結算的方式，我想要知道，什麼時候會讓我們知道執行的成效？"],["史部長哲：我們會以今年做為目標，把所謂學習型的、傳承型的臺語家庭，要怎麼認證、要怎麼鼓勵，我想大家應該比較希望它是肯定的榮譽性加上責任感，所以這個我可能要設計一下。"],["張委員雅琳：好，那大概什麼時候我們會有一個初步的計畫出來呢？因為我覺得這個會接應到115年要五萬個臺語家庭的目標，已經只剩下不到兩年，所以未來推廣計畫是不是可以在三個月或是兩個月內提供呢？"],["史部長哲：好，三個月。"],["張委員雅琳：好，三個月，提供出來，好不好？"],["史部長哲：好，謝謝。"],["張委員雅琳：好，再來就是臺語的師資問題。我們剛剛講到，要做臺語的動漫、戲劇還有活動，其實都很需要臺語的師資，但是我們臺語師資到現在只有120人，所以如果臺語家庭裡又牽扯到有師資要去上課，如果師資這麼少，你要達到五萬個臺語家庭其實非常困難。","我自己看了一下，112年客語新進教師就有520人，這個差異非常大，所以我在想，部長目前有沒有一些臺語師資的培育計畫？是不是也可以在一個禮拜之內提供給我？還是在什麼時候可以提供給我？或者我們可不可以跟教育部來好好地討論一下，怎麼樣加速我們臺語師資的培訓？這些相關計畫大概什麼時候可以給我呢？我們也可以在會後討論。"],["史部長哲：這個可能要花比較久的時間。我也跟委員坦承報告，臺語雖然現在面臨很多問題，但是基本上它的普遍性也是在的，所以我們最近不管是兒童劇、電視等都要求使用臺語，臺語的補助預算也大幅提升，老實說現在臺語指導現在是忙到……"],["張委員雅琳：對，所以我們需要比較多的人，所以就是計畫要怎麼做才能提升效果？"],["史部長哲：但也因為普遍化，所以確實跟客語的認證比起來，臺語方面的需求跟積極度比較低。坦白說因為會說臺語的人很多，所以這個部分我們來整合一下，看怎麼樣能夠妥適地、不浮濫地，但是也能夠增加培育師資的能量。"],["張委員雅琳：好，我們就會後再詳細討論這個部分，好不好？再來就是針對於國家語言發展會議。在112年當時就有說要舉辦，但是後來其實是沒有辦，請問是預計今年會辦嗎？還是什麼時候會辦？"],["史部長哲：我們其實是有計畫性的，今年會舉辦。在此也跟委員坦承報告，現在遇到新舊政府交接，現在提早舉辦很奇怪，或者舉辦結果只有舊的人聽到，新的人也沒聽到，所以我們是希望在暑假舉辦。"],["張委員雅琳：好，因為這其實也是很重要的事情。"],["史部長哲：是，當然。"],["張委員雅琳：最後的時間，來討論「甘露水」要出國的事。因為這是他第一次要回去東京，就是黃土水讀書的地方，之前也有很多委員很關心這個問題，所以我想請教，今年是有預計要在9月初或者10月初東京展出的計畫嗎？還是有這樣子的進度呢？"],["史部長哲：據我所了解，這是我們國美館在進行。"],["張委員雅琳：這進度是？"],["史部長哲：應該是正常的。"],["張委員雅琳：請再多給我一分鐘的時間。"],["史部長哲：我請我們國美館陳館長稍微說明一下。"],["陳館長貺怡：我們跟東京藝術大學的博物館現在已經是在簽約的階段，所以會在9月初的時候到東京藝術大學的美術館進行展出。展出的作品包括甘露水以及大概有20多件的雕塑作品，我們已經把展名改成東京美術館早期的學生作品，在展名裡也有加上最早的臺灣雕塑學生黃土水。"],["張委員雅琳：瞭解，所以預計9月會展出，對不對？"],["陳館長貺怡：對。"],["張委員雅琳：9月會展出，現在已經在簽備忘錄了。"],["陳館長貺怡：是的。"],["張委員雅琳：現在已經在簽約了？這個預算的規模是怎樣呢？"],["陳館長貺怡：預算我們大概抓在550萬元左右。"],["張委員雅琳：550萬元喔？其實對我來說，我覺得黃土水是臺灣一個非常重要的藝術家。"],["陳館長貺怡：是的。"],["張委員雅琳：這是甘露水第一次要回去東京參展，我希望這事必須要非常謹慎，尤其它現在也是國寶的身分，所以依據規定，其實是申請單位應該在運出國內至少兩個月之前要檢具下列的一些文件跟主管機關提出申請，所以應該要在7月之前就提出申請，現在已經接近4月了，請問現在已經開始準備相關的一些動作了嗎？"],["陳館長貺怡：有，全部都在進行當中。"],["張委員雅琳：全部都已經在進行當中？"],["陳館長貺怡：是的。"],["張委員雅琳：好喔！再回到我剛剛講的，因為這對我們臺灣來說其實是要非常非常謹慎的，要非常非常小心，所以希望史部長跟國美館在這個事情的展出方面，一定要非常仔細、非常謹慎的處理我們國寶出國，讓日本的民眾也可以看到我們臺灣甘露水的藝術之美！那就讓我們一起來努力，謝謝。"],["陳館長貺怡：謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝張雅琳委員，再來有請郭昱晴委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":322,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-22-5","speakers":["林宜瑾","陳秀寳","洪孟楷","萬美玲","柯志恩","羅廷瑋","葉元之","葛如鈞","吳沛憶","陳培瑜","張雅琳","郭昱晴","吳春城","林倩綺","范雲","吳思瑤","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:13,800\n第二就是針對台語這個議題因為我自己也是母語家庭所以我自己也非常針對這個議題會持續的來跟部長做一些討論就是說我們使用台語的人口其實是持續的在下降的我想這個大家應該都非常的清楚尤其從這張可能在現場的人很清楚但是大部分的民眾可能不是那麼了解所以常常會有講這個母語回家裡學的這個問題但事實上就是說我們的台語的人數是持續的\n\n4\n00:01:14,540 --> 00:01:17,603\n主要是使用台語的那我想請教部長你認為我們現在做的這些台語政策我們是希望來提升以台語作為主要使用語言的人口嗎?\n\n5\n00:01:35,789 --> 00:01:50,614\n這當然是其中一個目的,可是我想情勢是比你這個顯示的更嚴重。年輕一代,我聽到已經算很不簡單了。我們的目標就是要提升嘛,對不對?當然,當然。比較多人。不過我們來看,就是說我們如果是要提升的時候,我們這個會數,我們來看這張表,30到39歲,這個會數是迅速的下降。\n\n6\n00:02:06,979 --> 00:02:16,866\n他們剛好的兒子差不多就是10億元以下的他們,所以我覺得親子家庭應該是我們最重要的,要來重新振興台語的一個族群,你覺得對不對?其實是家庭為一個單位啦,所謂的台語家庭、母語家庭\n\n7\n00:02:22,529 --> 00:02:38,373\n對沒錯因為我們要提升這個人口數我們一定要對症下咬就是所以我覺得直接去處理親子家庭是最快可以去提升的那但是呢我想要再看一個部分就是說我們現在台語有一些發展的預算我們5年325億\n\n8\n00:02:41,034 --> 00:02:55,271\n每年台語發展預算是每年17億如果我們要去翻轉這一個台語的對於這30到39歲去翻轉這個概念其實有一個很重要的部分我們如何透過影視文化來做這個觀念的改造這樣子重振這樣子\n\n9\n00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:19,597\n六大項的詳細的預算分配那我也不太確定那個成效是什麼所以是不是可以請部長一週之內給我相關的一些預算分配跟目前預估的一個成效因為我相信就是最近這個第1台我記得鹽水大飯店七\n\n10\n00:03:20,878 --> 00:03:40,390\n這個戲劇其實也非常受歡迎而且是全部用台語而且他也講一些台灣的故事那對我來說這是更能夠去吸引我們普羅大眾對於這個台語的一個觀感所以這部分我是希望我們可以持續投資但是如果我們每年的發展預算只有17億的話\n\n11\n00:03:42,071 --> 00:04:01,598\n每年固定17億嗎?如果只有17億,這樣子如何的持續加大投資呢?這個我想請教部長。是,我也跟委員坦誠講,這17億是整個文化部跟台語相關啦。對。它不是,不能說是專責的這個,是納入方案沒有錯。比如說17億裡面大概有8億是台語台。對。\n\n12\n00:04:03,058 --> 00:04:26,097\n台語台語站的8億所以扣掉8億以後其實就只剩9億嘛還有其他相關的這個預算所以其實預算確實相當的緊繃啦那這我們會再增加嗎?還有增加的規劃嗎?因為如果這個效果是很好的這要拍片這要拍片喔?對,所以很多台語界的先進也在關心說意思就是說文化部副社台語人是我們台語的藝術看起來比百中藝人多\n\n13\n00:04:46,949 --> 00:05:04,626\n但是他需要更多的工具,這就是文化部的這件嘛,你要有車,你要有影像,你要有動畫我就看嘛,沒有他有這個心,他也不知道怎麼在這個花園的環境裡面,在他的家庭讓他孩子接受就是大家意嘛,我想我們的責任跟目標很清楚啦。\n\n14\n00:05:05,527 --> 00:05:31,558\n對,因為剛剛部長也有提到就是母語家庭的傳承的部分那這個地方我也想要跟那個部長再做一些討論就是說我們剛剛講了我們的預算是不是可以再調整這個就請部長再想想看再來第二個部分是說根據我們的母語家庭我們現在有分學習家庭跟傳承家庭那這有不同的一些獎勵機制但是我在想我們這個傳承家庭是不是可以讓它做一些到社區的\n\n15\n00:05:32,498 --> 00:05:32,738\n我完全同意啦\n\n16\n00:05:59,378 --> 00:06:11,131\n尤其是經過這一次委員這個事情的提示我們也強化跟縣市政府的合作就是希望縣市政府這個公共事務的制度能夠跟專業的台語團體的對接強化\n\n17\n00:06:14,716 --> 00:06:27,410\n我們透過預算的補助比較強烈的來要求那進入社區我想這個是傳承家庭喔說得很好的人可以繼續的啦對我們可以要求他們因為現在有說不認同的說不認同的對這樣才會比較快的啦\n\n18\n00:06:31,875 --> 00:06:37,578\n對啦,就是說台語也需要社區營造啦,我知道啦這麻煩部長來找團體來討論一下我們現在是有1萬,我們之前目標是115年要5萬112年要1萬,那目前我們達成的數字是多少這個是當初一個以台語家庭為計畫的一個\n\n19\n00:06:55,471 --> 00:07:16,755\n但現實上我們現在目前還沒有辦法直接來計算到底待遇佳齡是多少因為這個可能還要一個大家集思廣益的一個認證的方法不過坦白說這也亂了但是因為你之前的目標已經拿出來了你已經有說要一萬了所以你之前應該要想好這個結算的一個方式所以我想要知道說到什麼時候會讓我們知道這個執行的成效目標\n\n20\n00:07:20,256 --> 00:07:44,136\n今年來做一個目標,把所謂的台語家庭學習型的傳承型的認證、鼓勵我想大家應該比較希望它是一個肯定的榮譽性加上說一個責任感,所以這個我可能要設計一下那大概什麼時候我們會有一個初步的計畫可以出來因為我覺得這位接應到,因為115年要五萬,剩下三年了\n\n21\n00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:53,104\n三個月或是兩個月內提供出來好不好?\n\n22\n00:07:53,104 --> 00:08:05,917\n謝謝再來就是說台語的師資因為我們剛剛要講我們要做台語的動漫這些戲劇還有這些活動其實都很需要這個台語的師資但是我們台語師資到現在只有120人\n\n23\n00:08:07,739 --> 00:08:12,501\n一、二年我們的課宇新進教師就有520人這個差異非常大所以我在想我們部長現在目前有沒有一些台語師資的培育計畫是不是也可以在一個禮拜\n\n24\n00:08:30,647 --> 00:08:40,665\n提供給我還是在什麼時候可以提供給我或者是說我們可不可以跟教育部來好好的討論一下怎麼樣去加速我們台語師資的培訓這些相關計畫大概什麼時候可以給我呢?\n\n25\n00:08:41,756 --> 00:08:42,337\n主席主席主席主席主席\n\n26\n00:09:03,431 --> 00:09:27,023\n對,所以我們就需要比較多人嘛,所以說這個就是價位要怎麼走,讓它提升啊但是嘛,因為它的普遍化啦,所以它,我們確實跟客語的認證比起來喔,這方面的這個需求跟積極度比較低,因為他不會說,會要說的人嘛,很多的嘛所以這個部分我們來整合一下,看怎麼樣能夠妥適的,不要腐爛,但是也有能夠增加這個培育失職的這個能量\n\n27\n00:09:27,463 --> 00:09:46,574\n好,那我們就會後再詳細討論這個部分好不好那再來就是針對於這個國家語言發展會議11、12年當時有說要辦但是後來其實是沒有辦那是預計今年會辦嗎?還是什麼時候會辦?我們其實是很計劃性的是今年來辦因為坦白講啦,也給委員坦誠報告嘛你現在剛才這個新舊政府嘛\n\n28\n00:09:49,215 --> 00:09:49,355\n主席主席主席\n\n29\n00:10:19,175 --> 00:10:20,155\n是否請國美館館長稍等\n\n30\n00:10:36,730 --> 00:10:58,444\n我們是跟東京藝術大學的博物館現在已經是在簽約的階段所以我們會在9月初的時候到東京藝術大學的美術館去進行展出展出的作品包括甘露水大概有20多件的雕塑作品我們現在也把這個展名改成\n\n31\n00:11:00,685 --> 00:11:24,421\n東京美術館的早期的學生的作品然後呢在展名裡面也有加上就是最早的台灣的這個雕塑學生黃土水這樣子所以我們預計9月會展出對不對對9月會展出現在已經在簽備忘錄了是的現在已經在簽約了那我們這個預算的一些規模是怎樣呢預算我們大概抓在500550萬左右\n\n32\n00:11:27,233 --> 00:11:41,564\n五百五十萬喔因為其實對我來說我覺得黃土水是台灣一個非常重要的一個藝術家然後他這一次是第一次要回去東京做參展我希望這是我們非常要謹慎尤其他現在也是一個國寶的身份\n\n33\n00:11:42,304 --> 00:12:04,788\n所以依據規定其實是我們申請單位應該要在運出國內至少兩個月前要檢據下列的一些文件跟主管機關提出申請所以現在我們應該要在7月之前就要提出申請那我們現在已經快要4月了那現在已經開始準備相關的一些動作了嗎有全部都在進行當中\n\n34\n00:12:05,228 --> 00:12:32,081\n全都已經在進行當中。是的。那我想因為這個就是再回到我剛講的就是說因為這對我們台灣來說其實是要非常非常謹慎的要非常非常小心所以希望說史部長跟這個國美館在這個事情的展出上面一定要非常仔細然後非常謹慎的去處理我們國保出國然後讓日本的民眾也可以看到我們台灣甘露水的這個藝術之美那就讓我們一起來努力謝謝。謝謝。\n\n35\n00:12:34,940 --> 00:12:34,961\n好,謝謝。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12321\t14105\t副委員好,有請副長有請副長委員好\n17162\t45202\t部長首先非常感謝你就是在上次那個台藝Flow生活節當時在民間團體有一些台語的團體對於當時的一些活動上面巨碼的一些裡面有一些爭議所以當時就是部長跟部長反映之後很快的是不是就請了那個李敬惠次長來在我們協調會上面跟團體來做一些溝通那現在目前上面大家都滿能夠接受這樣子的一個補救措施那首先也是非常感謝部長\n45942\t73800\t第二就是針對台語這個議題因為我自己也是母語家庭所以我自己也非常針對這個議題會持續的來跟部長做一些討論就是說我們使用台語的人口其實是持續的在下降的我想這個大家應該都非常的清楚尤其從這張可能在現場的人很清楚但是大部分的民眾可能不是那麼了解所以常常會有講這個母語回家裡學的這個問題但事實上就是說我們的台語的人數是持續的\n74540\t77603\t主要是使用台語的那我想請教部長你認為我們現在做的這些台語政策我們是希望來提升以台語作為主要使用語言的人口嗎?\n95789\t110614\t這當然是其中一個目的,可是我想情勢是比你這個顯示的更嚴重。年輕一代,我聽到已經算很不簡單了。我們的目標就是要提升嘛,對不對?當然,當然。 比較多人。不過我們來看,就是說我們如果是要提升的時候,我們這個會數,我們來看這張表,30到39歲,這個會數是迅速的下降。\n126979\t136866\t他們剛好的兒子差不多就是10億元以下的他們,所以我覺得親子家庭應該是我們最重要的,要來重新振興台語的一個族群,你覺得對不對?其實是家庭為一個單位啦,所謂的台語家庭、母語家庭\n142529\t158373\t對沒錯因為我們要提升這個人口數我們一定要對症下咬就是所以我覺得直接去處理親子家庭是最快可以去提升的那但是呢我想要再看一個部分就是說我們現在台語有一些發展的預算我們5年325億\n161034\t175271\t每年台語發展預算是每年17億如果我們要去翻轉這一個台語的對於這30到39歲去翻轉這個概念其實有一個很重要的部分我們如何透過影視文化來做這個觀念的改造這樣子重振這樣子\n183080\t199597\t六大項的詳細的預算分配那我也不太確定那個成效是什麼所以是不是可以請部長一週之內給我相關的一些預算分配跟目前預估的一個成效因為我相信就是最近這個第1台我記得鹽水大飯店七\n200878\t220390\t這個戲劇其實也非常受歡迎而且是全部用台語而且他也講一些台灣的故事那對我來說這是更能夠去吸引我們普羅大眾對於這個台語的一個觀感所以這部分我是希望我們可以持續投資但是如果我們每年的發展預算只有17億的話\n222071\t241598\t每年固定17億嗎?如果只有17億,這樣子如何的持續加大投資呢?這個我想請教部長。是,我也跟委員坦誠講,這17億是整個文化部跟台語相關啦。對。它不是,不能說是專責的這個,是納入方案沒有錯。比如說17億裡面大概有8億是台語台。對。\n243058\t266097\t台語台語站的8億所以扣掉8億以後其實就只剩9億嘛還有其他相關的這個預算所以其實預算確實相當的緊繃啦那這我們會再增加嗎?還有增加的規劃嗎?因為如果這個效果是很好的這要拍片這要拍片喔?對,所以很多台語界的先進也在關心說意思就是說文化部副社台語人是我們台語的藝術看起來比百中藝人多\n270981\t286869\t對,對,對,對\n286949\t304626\t但是他需要更多的工具,這就是文化部的這件嘛,你要有車,你要有影像,你要有動畫我就看嘛,沒有他有這個心,他也不知道怎麼在這個花園的環境裡面,在他的家庭讓他孩子接受就是大家意嘛,我想我們的責任跟目標很清楚啦。\n305527\t331558\t對,因為剛剛部長也有提到就是母語家庭的傳承的部分那這個地方我也想要跟那個部長再做一些討論就是說我們剛剛講了我們的預算是不是可以再調整這個就請部長再想想看再來第二個部分是說根據我們的母語家庭我們現在有分學習家庭跟傳承家庭那這有不同的一些獎勵機制但是我在想我們這個傳承家庭是不是可以讓它做一些到社區的\n332498\t332738\t我完全同意啦\n359378\t371131\t尤其是經過這一次委員這個事情的提示我們也強化跟縣市政府的合作就是希望縣市政府這個公共事務的制度能夠跟專業的台語團體的對接強化\n374716\t387410\t我們透過預算的補助比較強烈的來要求那進入社區我想這個是傳承家庭喔說得很好的人可以繼續的啦對我們可以要求他們因為現在有說不認同的說不認同的對這樣才會比較快的啦\n391875\t397578\t對啦,就是說台語也需要社區營造啦,我知道啦這麻煩部長來找團體來討論一下我們現在是有1萬,我們之前目標是115年要5萬112年要1萬,那目前我們達成的數字是多少這個是當初一個以台語家庭為計畫的一個\n415471\t436755\t但現實上我們現在目前還沒有辦法直接來計算到底待遇佳齡是多少因為這個可能還要一個大家集思廣益的一個認證的方法不過坦白說這也亂了但是因為你之前的目標已經拿出來了你已經有說要一萬了所以你之前應該要想好這個結算的一個方式所以我想要知道說到什麼時候會讓我們知道這個執行的成效目標\n440256\t464136\t今年來做一個目標,把所謂的台語家庭學習型的傳承型的認證、鼓勵我想大家應該比較希望它是一個肯定的榮譽性加上說一個責任感,所以這個我可能要設計一下那大概什麼時候我們會有一個初步的計畫可以出來因為我覺得這位接應到,因為115年要五萬,剩下三年了\n468280\t473104\t三個月或是兩個月內提供出來好不好?\n473104\t485917\t謝謝再來就是說台語的師資因為我們剛剛要講我們要做台語的動漫這些戲劇還有這些活動其實都很需要這個台語的師資但是我們台語師資到現在只有120人\n487739\t492501\t一、二年我們的課宇新進教師就有520人這個差異非常大所以我在想我們部長現在目前有沒有一些台語師資的培育計畫是不是也可以在一個禮拜\n510647\t520665\t提供給我還是在什麼時候可以提供給我或者是說我們可不可以跟教育部來好好的討論一下怎麼樣去加速我們台語師資的培訓這些相關計畫大概什麼時候可以給我呢?\n521756\t522337\t主席主席主席主席主席\n543431\t567023\t對,所以我們就需要比較多人嘛,所以說這個就是價位要怎麼走,讓它提升啊但是嘛,因為它的普遍化啦,所以它,我們確實跟客語的認證比起來喔,這方面的這個需求跟積極度比較低,因為他不會說,會要說的人嘛,很多的嘛所以這個部分我們來整合一下,看怎麼樣能夠妥適的,不要腐爛,但是也有能夠增加這個培育失職的這個能量\n567463\t586574\t好,那我們就會後再詳細討論這個部分好不好那再來就是針對於這個國家語言發展會議11、12年當時有說要辦但是後來其實是沒有辦那是預計今年會辦嗎?還是什麼時候會辦?我們其實是很計劃性的是今年來辦因為坦白講啦,也給委員坦誠報告嘛你現在剛才這個新舊政府嘛\n589215\t589355\t主席主席主席\n619175\t620155\t是否請國美館館長稍等\n636730\t658444\t我們是跟東京藝術大學的博物館現在已經是在簽約的階段所以我們會在9月初的時候到東京藝術大學的美術館去進行展出展出的作品包括甘露水大概有20多件的雕塑作品我們現在也把這個展名改成\n660685\t684421\t東京美術館的早期的學生的作品然後呢在展名裡面也有加上就是最早的台灣的這個雕塑學生黃土水這樣子所以我們預計9月會展出對不對對9月會展出現在已經在簽備忘錄了是的現在已經在簽約了那我們這個預算的一些規模是怎樣呢預算我們大概抓在500550萬左右\n687233\t701564\t五百五十萬喔因為其實對我來說我覺得黃土水是台灣一個非常重要的一個藝術家然後他這一次是第一次要回去東京做參展我希望這是我們非常要謹慎尤其他現在也是一個國寶的身份\n702304\t724788\t所以依據規定其實是我們申請單位應該要在運出國內至少兩個月前要檢據下列的一些文件跟主管機關提出申請所以現在我們應該要在7月之前就要提出申請那我們現在已經快要4月了那現在已經開始準備相關的一些動作了嗎有全部都在進行當中\n725228\t752081\t全都已經在進行當中。 是的。那我想因為這個就是再回到我剛講的就是說因為這對我們台灣來說其實是要非常非常謹慎的要非常非常小心所以希望說史部長跟這個國美館在這個事情的展出上面一定要非常仔細然後非常謹慎的去處理我們國保出國然後讓日本的民眾也可以看到我們台灣甘露水的這個藝術之美那就讓我們一起來努力謝謝。 謝謝。\n754940\t754961\t好,謝謝。\n","txt":"副委員好,有請副長有請副長委員好\n部長首先非常感謝你就是在上次那個台藝Flow生活節當時在民間團體有一些台語的團體對於當時的一些活動上面巨碼的一些裡面有一些爭議所以當時就是部長跟部長反映之後很快的是不是就請了那個李敬惠次長來在我們協調會上面跟團體來做一些溝通那現在目前上面大家都滿能夠接受這樣子的一個補救措施那首先也是非常感謝部長\n第二就是針對台語這個議題因為我自己也是母語家庭所以我自己也非常針對這個議題會持續的來跟部長做一些討論就是說我們使用台語的人口其實是持續的在下降的我想這個大家應該都非常的清楚尤其從這張可能在現場的人很清楚但是大部分的民眾可能不是那麼了解所以常常會有講這個母語回家裡學的這個問題但事實上就是說我們的台語的人數是持續的\n主要是使用台語的那我想請教部長你認為我們現在做的這些台語政策我們是希望來提升以台語作為主要使用語言的人口嗎?\n這當然是其中一個目的,可是我想情勢是比你這個顯示的更嚴重。年輕一代,我聽到已經算很不簡單了。我們的目標就是要提升嘛,對不對?當然,當然。 比較多人。不過我們來看,就是說我們如果是要提升的時候,我們這個會數,我們來看這張表,30到39歲,這個會數是迅速的下降。\n他們剛好的兒子差不多就是10億元以下的他們,所以我覺得親子家庭應該是我們最重要的,要來重新振興台語的一個族群,你覺得對不對?其實是家庭為一個單位啦,所謂的台語家庭、母語家庭\n對沒錯因為我們要提升這個人口數我們一定要對症下咬就是所以我覺得直接去處理親子家庭是最快可以去提升的那但是呢我想要再看一個部分就是說我們現在台語有一些發展的預算我們5年325億\n每年台語發展預算是每年17億如果我們要去翻轉這一個台語的對於這30到39歲去翻轉這個概念其實有一個很重要的部分我們如何透過影視文化來做這個觀念的改造這樣子重振這樣子\n六大項的詳細的預算分配那我也不太確定那個成效是什麼所以是不是可以請部長一週之內給我相關的一些預算分配跟目前預估的一個成效因為我相信就是最近這個第1台我記得鹽水大飯店七\n這個戲劇其實也非常受歡迎而且是全部用台語而且他也講一些台灣的故事那對我來說這是更能夠去吸引我們普羅大眾對於這個台語的一個觀感所以這部分我是希望我們可以持續投資但是如果我們每年的發展預算只有17億的話\n每年固定17億嗎?如果只有17億,這樣子如何的持續加大投資呢?這個我想請教部長。是,我也跟委員坦誠講,這17億是整個文化部跟台語相關啦。對。它不是,不能說是專責的這個,是納入方案沒有錯。比如說17億裡面大概有8億是台語台。對。\n台語台語站的8億所以扣掉8億以後其實就只剩9億嘛還有其他相關的這個預算所以其實預算確實相當的緊繃啦那這我們會再增加嗎?還有增加的規劃嗎?因為如果這個效果是很好的這要拍片這要拍片喔?對,所以很多台語界的先進也在關心說意思就是說文化部副社台語人是我們台語的藝術看起來比百中藝人多\n對,對,對,對\n但是他需要更多的工具,這就是文化部的這件嘛,你要有車,你要有影像,你要有動畫我就看嘛,沒有他有這個心,他也不知道怎麼在這個花園的環境裡面,在他的家庭讓他孩子接受就是大家意嘛,我想我們的責任跟目標很清楚啦。\n對,因為剛剛部長也有提到就是母語家庭的傳承的部分那這個地方我也想要跟那個部長再做一些討論就是說我們剛剛講了我們的預算是不是可以再調整這個就請部長再想想看再來第二個部分是說根據我們的母語家庭我們現在有分學習家庭跟傳承家庭那這有不同的一些獎勵機制但是我在想我們這個傳承家庭是不是可以讓它做一些到社區的\n我完全同意啦\n尤其是經過這一次委員這個事情的提示我們也強化跟縣市政府的合作就是希望縣市政府這個公共事務的制度能夠跟專業的台語團體的對接強化\n我們透過預算的補助比較強烈的來要求那進入社區我想這個是傳承家庭喔說得很好的人可以繼續的啦對我們可以要求他們因為現在有說不認同的說不認同的對這樣才會比較快的啦\n對啦,就是說台語也需要社區營造啦,我知道啦這麻煩部長來找團體來討論一下我們現在是有1萬,我們之前目標是115年要5萬112年要1萬,那目前我們達成的數字是多少這個是當初一個以台語家庭為計畫的一個\n但現實上我們現在目前還沒有辦法直接來計算到底待遇佳齡是多少因為這個可能還要一個大家集思廣益的一個認證的方法不過坦白說這也亂了但是因為你之前的目標已經拿出來了你已經有說要一萬了所以你之前應該要想好這個結算的一個方式所以我想要知道說到什麼時候會讓我們知道這個執行的成效目標\n今年來做一個目標,把所謂的台語家庭學習型的傳承型的認證、鼓勵我想大家應該比較希望它是一個肯定的榮譽性加上說一個責任感,所以這個我可能要設計一下那大概什麼時候我們會有一個初步的計畫可以出來因為我覺得這位接應到,因為115年要五萬,剩下三年了\n三個月或是兩個月內提供出來好不好?\n謝謝再來就是說台語的師資因為我們剛剛要講我們要做台語的動漫這些戲劇還有這些活動其實都很需要這個台語的師資但是我們台語師資到現在只有120人\n一、二年我們的課宇新進教師就有520人這個差異非常大所以我在想我們部長現在目前有沒有一些台語師資的培育計畫是不是也可以在一個禮拜\n提供給我還是在什麼時候可以提供給我或者是說我們可不可以跟教育部來好好的討論一下怎麼樣去加速我們台語師資的培訓這些相關計畫大概什麼時候可以給我呢?\n主席主席主席主席主席\n對,所以我們就需要比較多人嘛,所以說這個就是價位要怎麼走,讓它提升啊但是嘛,因為它的普遍化啦,所以它,我們確實跟客語的認證比起來喔,這方面的這個需求跟積極度比較低,因為他不會說,會要說的人嘛,很多的嘛所以這個部分我們來整合一下,看怎麼樣能夠妥適的,不要腐爛,但是也有能夠增加這個培育失職的這個能量\n好,那我們就會後再詳細討論這個部分好不好那再來就是針對於這個國家語言發展會議11、12年當時有說要辦但是後來其實是沒有辦那是預計今年會辦嗎?還是什麼時候會辦?我們其實是很計劃性的是今年來辦因為坦白講啦,也給委員坦誠報告嘛你現在剛才這個新舊政府嘛\n主席主席主席\n是否請國美館館長稍等\n我們是跟東京藝術大學的博物館現在已經是在簽約的階段所以我們會在9月初的時候到東京藝術大學的美術館去進行展出展出的作品包括甘露水大概有20多件的雕塑作品我們現在也把這個展名改成\n東京美術館的早期的學生的作品然後呢在展名裡面也有加上就是最早的台灣的這個雕塑學生黃土水這樣子所以我們預計9月會展出對不對對9月會展出現在已經在簽備忘錄了是的現在已經在簽約了那我們這個預算的一些規模是怎樣呢預算我們大概抓在500550萬左右\n五百五十萬喔因為其實對我來說我覺得黃土水是台灣一個非常重要的一個藝術家然後他這一次是第一次要回去東京做參展我希望這是我們非常要謹慎尤其他現在也是一個國寶的身份\n所以依據規定其實是我們申請單位應該要在運出國內至少兩個月前要檢據下列的一些文件跟主管機關提出申請所以現在我們應該要在7月之前就要提出申請那我們現在已經快要4月了那現在已經開始準備相關的一些動作了嗎有全部都在進行當中\n全都已經在進行當中。 是的。那我想因為這個就是再回到我剛講的就是說因為這對我們台灣來說其實是要非常非常謹慎的要非常非常小心所以希望說史部長跟這個國美館在這個事情的展出上面一定要非常仔細然後非常謹慎的去處理我們國保出國然後讓日本的民眾也可以看到我們台灣甘露水的這個藝術之美那就讓我們一起來努力謝謝。 謝謝。\n好,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.321 --> 00:14.105\n副委員好,有請副長有請副長委員好\n\n00:17.162 --> 00:45.202\n部長首先非常感謝你就是在上次那個台藝Flow生活節當時在民間團體有一些台語的團體對於當時的一些活動上面巨碼的一些裡面有一些爭議所以當時就是部長跟部長反映之後很快的是不是就請了那個李敬惠次長來在我們協調會上面跟團體來做一些溝通那現在目前上面大家都滿能夠接受這樣子的一個補救措施那首先也是非常感謝部長\n\n00:45.942 --> 01:13.800\n第二就是針對台語這個議題因為我自己也是母語家庭所以我自己也非常針對這個議題會持續的來跟部長做一些討論就是說我們使用台語的人口其實是持續的在下降的我想這個大家應該都非常的清楚尤其從這張可能在現場的人很清楚但是大部分的民眾可能不是那麼了解所以常常會有講這個母語回家裡學的這個問題但事實上就是說我們的台語的人數是持續的\n\n01:14.540 --> 01:17.603\n主要是使用台語的那我想請教部長你認為我們現在做的這些台語政策我們是希望來提升以台語作為主要使用語言的人口嗎?\n\n01:35.789 --> 01:50.614\n這當然是其中一個目的,可是我想情勢是比你這個顯示的更嚴重。年輕一代,我聽到已經算很不簡單了。我們的目標就是要提升嘛,對不對?當然,當然。比較多人。不過我們來看,就是說我們如果是要提升的時候,我們這個會數,我們來看這張表,30到39歲,這個會數是迅速的下降。\n\n02:06.979 --> 02:16.866\n他們剛好的兒子差不多就是10億元以下的他們,所以我覺得親子家庭應該是我們最重要的,要來重新振興台語的一個族群,你覺得對不對?其實是家庭為一個單位啦,所謂的台語家庭、母語家庭\n\n02:22.529 --> 02:38.373\n對沒錯因為我們要提升這個人口數我們一定要對症下咬就是所以我覺得直接去處理親子家庭是最快可以去提升的那但是呢我想要再看一個部分就是說我們現在台語有一些發展的預算我們5年325億\n\n02:41.034 --> 02:55.271\n每年台語發展預算是每年17億如果我們要去翻轉這一個台語的對於這30到39歲去翻轉這個概念其實有一個很重要的部分我們如何透過影視文化來做這個觀念的改造這樣子重振這樣子\n\n03:03.080 --> 03:19.597\n六大項的詳細的預算分配那我也不太確定那個成效是什麼所以是不是可以請部長一週之內給我相關的一些預算分配跟目前預估的一個成效因為我相信就是最近這個第1台我記得鹽水大飯店七\n\n03:20.878 --> 03:40.390\n這個戲劇其實也非常受歡迎而且是全部用台語而且他也講一些台灣的故事那對我來說這是更能夠去吸引我們普羅大眾對於這個台語的一個觀感所以這部分我是希望我們可以持續投資但是如果我們每年的發展預算只有17億的話\n\n03:42.071 --> 04:01.598\n每年固定17億嗎?如果只有17億,這樣子如何的持續加大投資呢?這個我想請教部長。是,我也跟委員坦誠講,這17億是整個文化部跟台語相關啦。對。它不是,不能說是專責的這個,是納入方案沒有錯。比如說17億裡面大概有8億是台語台。對。\n\n04:03.058 --> 04:26.097\n台語台語站的8億所以扣掉8億以後其實就只剩9億嘛還有其他相關的這個預算所以其實預算確實相當的緊繃啦那這我們會再增加嗎?還有增加的規劃嗎?因為如果這個效果是很好的這要拍片這要拍片喔?對,所以很多台語界的先進也在關心說意思就是說文化部副社台語人是我們台語的藝術看起來比百中藝人多\n\n04:46.949 --> 05:04.626\n但是他需要更多的工具,這就是文化部的這件嘛,你要有車,你要有影像,你要有動畫我就看嘛,沒有他有這個心,他也不知道怎麼在這個花園的環境裡面,在他的家庭讓他孩子接受就是大家意嘛,我想我們的責任跟目標很清楚啦。\n\n05:05.527 --> 05:31.558\n對,因為剛剛部長也有提到就是母語家庭的傳承的部分那這個地方我也想要跟那個部長再做一些討論就是說我們剛剛講了我們的預算是不是可以再調整這個就請部長再想想看再來第二個部分是說根據我們的母語家庭我們現在有分學習家庭跟傳承家庭那這有不同的一些獎勵機制但是我在想我們這個傳承家庭是不是可以讓它做一些到社區的\n\n05:32.498 --> 05:32.738\n我完全同意啦\n\n05:59.378 --> 06:11.131\n尤其是經過這一次委員這個事情的提示我們也強化跟縣市政府的合作就是希望縣市政府這個公共事務的制度能夠跟專業的台語團體的對接強化\n\n06:14.716 --> 06:27.410\n我們透過預算的補助比較強烈的來要求那進入社區我想這個是傳承家庭喔說得很好的人可以繼續的啦對我們可以要求他們因為現在有說不認同的說不認同的對這樣才會比較快的啦\n\n06:31.875 --> 06:37.578\n對啦,就是說台語也需要社區營造啦,我知道啦這麻煩部長來找團體來討論一下我們現在是有1萬,我們之前目標是115年要5萬112年要1萬,那目前我們達成的數字是多少這個是當初一個以台語家庭為計畫的一個\n\n06:55.471 --> 07:16.755\n但現實上我們現在目前還沒有辦法直接來計算到底待遇佳齡是多少因為這個可能還要一個大家集思廣益的一個認證的方法不過坦白說這也亂了但是因為你之前的目標已經拿出來了你已經有說要一萬了所以你之前應該要想好這個結算的一個方式所以我想要知道說到什麼時候會讓我們知道這個執行的成效目標\n\n07:20.256 --> 07:44.136\n今年來做一個目標,把所謂的台語家庭學習型的傳承型的認證、鼓勵我想大家應該比較希望它是一個肯定的榮譽性加上說一個責任感,所以這個我可能要設計一下那大概什麼時候我們會有一個初步的計畫可以出來因為我覺得這位接應到,因為115年要五萬,剩下三年了\n\n07:48.280 --> 07:53.104\n三個月或是兩個月內提供出來好不好?\n\n07:53.104 --> 08:05.917\n謝謝再來就是說台語的師資因為我們剛剛要講我們要做台語的動漫這些戲劇還有這些活動其實都很需要這個台語的師資但是我們台語師資到現在只有120人\n\n08:07.739 --> 08:12.501\n一、二年我們的課宇新進教師就有520人這個差異非常大所以我在想我們部長現在目前有沒有一些台語師資的培育計畫是不是也可以在一個禮拜\n\n08:30.647 --> 08:40.665\n提供給我還是在什麼時候可以提供給我或者是說我們可不可以跟教育部來好好的討論一下怎麼樣去加速我們台語師資的培訓這些相關計畫大概什麼時候可以給我呢?\n\n08:41.756 --> 08:42.337\n主席主席主席主席主席\n\n09:03.431 --> 09:27.023\n對,所以我們就需要比較多人嘛,所以說這個就是價位要怎麼走,讓它提升啊但是嘛,因為它的普遍化啦,所以它,我們確實跟客語的認證比起來喔,這方面的這個需求跟積極度比較低,因為他不會說,會要說的人嘛,很多的嘛所以這個部分我們來整合一下,看怎麼樣能夠妥適的,不要腐爛,但是也有能夠增加這個培育失職的這個能量\n\n09:27.463 --> 09:46.574\n好,那我們就會後再詳細討論這個部分好不好那再來就是針對於這個國家語言發展會議11、12年當時有說要辦但是後來其實是沒有辦那是預計今年會辦嗎?還是什麼時候會辦?我們其實是很計劃性的是今年來辦因為坦白講啦,也給委員坦誠報告嘛你現在剛才這個新舊政府嘛\n\n09:49.215 --> 09:49.355\n主席主席主席\n\n10:19.175 --> 10:20.155\n是否請國美館館長稍等\n\n10:36.730 --> 10:58.444\n我們是跟東京藝術大學的博物館現在已經是在簽約的階段所以我們會在9月初的時候到東京藝術大學的美術館去進行展出展出的作品包括甘露水大概有20多件的雕塑作品我們現在也把這個展名改成\n\n11:00.685 --> 11:24.421\n東京美術館的早期的學生的作品然後呢在展名裡面也有加上就是最早的台灣的這個雕塑學生黃土水這樣子所以我們預計9月會展出對不對對9月會展出現在已經在簽備忘錄了是的現在已經在簽約了那我們這個預算的一些規模是怎樣呢預算我們大概抓在500550萬左右\n\n11:27.233 --> 11:41.564\n五百五十萬喔因為其實對我來說我覺得黃土水是台灣一個非常重要的一個藝術家然後他這一次是第一次要回去東京做參展我希望這是我們非常要謹慎尤其他現在也是一個國寶的身份\n\n11:42.304 --> 12:04.788\n所以依據規定其實是我們申請單位應該要在運出國內至少兩個月前要檢據下列的一些文件跟主管機關提出申請所以現在我們應該要在7月之前就要提出申請那我們現在已經快要4月了那現在已經開始準備相關的一些動作了嗎有全部都在進行當中\n\n12:05.228 --> 12:32.081\n全都已經在進行當中。是的。那我想因為這個就是再回到我剛講的就是說因為這對我們台灣來說其實是要非常非常謹慎的要非常非常小心所以希望說史部長跟這個國美館在這個事情的展出上面一定要非常仔細然後非常謹慎的去處理我們國保出國然後讓日本的民眾也可以看到我們台灣甘露水的這個藝術之美那就讓我們一起來努力謝謝。謝謝。\n\n12:34.940 --> 12:34.961\n好,謝謝。\n\n","segments":[{"start":12.321,"end":14.105,"text":"副委員好,有請副長有請副長委員好"},{"start":17.162,"end":45.202,"text":"部長首先非常感謝你就是在上次那個台藝Flow生活節當時在民間團體有一些台語的團體對於當時的一些活動上面巨碼的一些裡面有一些爭議所以當時就是部長跟部長反映之後很快的是不是就請了那個李敬惠次長來在我們協調會上面跟團體來做一些溝通那現在目前上面大家都滿能夠接受這樣子的一個補救措施那首先也是非常感謝部長"},{"start":45.942,"end":73.8,"text":"第二就是針對台語這個議題因為我自己也是母語家庭所以我自己也非常針對這個議題會持續的來跟部長做一些討論就是說我們使用台語的人口其實是持續的在下降的我想這個大家應該都非常的清楚尤其從這張可能在現場的人很清楚但是大部分的民眾可能不是那麼了解所以常常會有講這個母語回家裡學的這個問題但事實上就是說我們的台語的人數是持續的"},{"start":74.54,"end":77.603,"text":"主要是使用台語的那我想請教部長你認為我們現在做的這些台語政策我們是希望來提升以台語作為主要使用語言的人口嗎?"},{"start":95.789,"end":110.614,"text":"這當然是其中一個目的,可是我想情勢是比你這個顯示的更嚴重。年輕一代,我聽到已經算很不簡單了。我們的目標就是要提升嘛,對不對?當然,當然。 比較多人。不過我們來看,就是說我們如果是要提升的時候,我們這個會數,我們來看這張表,30到39歲,這個會數是迅速的下降。"},{"start":126.979,"end":136.866,"text":"他們剛好的兒子差不多就是10億元以下的他們,所以我覺得親子家庭應該是我們最重要的,要來重新振興台語的一個族群,你覺得對不對?其實是家庭為一個單位啦,所謂的台語家庭、母語家庭"},{"start":142.529,"end":158.373,"text":"對沒錯因為我們要提升這個人口數我們一定要對症下咬就是所以我覺得直接去處理親子家庭是最快可以去提升的那但是呢我想要再看一個部分就是說我們現在台語有一些發展的預算我們5年325億"},{"start":161.034,"end":175.271,"text":"每年台語發展預算是每年17億如果我們要去翻轉這一個台語的對於這30到39歲去翻轉這個概念其實有一個很重要的部分我們如何透過影視文化來做這個觀念的改造這樣子重振這樣子"},{"start":183.08,"end":199.597,"text":"六大項的詳細的預算分配那我也不太確定那個成效是什麼所以是不是可以請部長一週之內給我相關的一些預算分配跟目前預估的一個成效因為我相信就是最近這個第1台我記得鹽水大飯店七"},{"start":200.878,"end":220.39,"text":"這個戲劇其實也非常受歡迎而且是全部用台語而且他也講一些台灣的故事那對我來說這是更能夠去吸引我們普羅大眾對於這個台語的一個觀感所以這部分我是希望我們可以持續投資但是如果我們每年的發展預算只有17億的話"},{"start":222.071,"end":241.598,"text":"每年固定17億嗎?如果只有17億,這樣子如何的持續加大投資呢?這個我想請教部長。是,我也跟委員坦誠講,這17億是整個文化部跟台語相關啦。對。它不是,不能說是專責的這個,是納入方案沒有錯。比如說17億裡面大概有8億是台語台。對。"},{"start":243.058,"end":266.097,"text":"台語台語站的8億所以扣掉8億以後其實就只剩9億嘛還有其他相關的這個預算所以其實預算確實相當的緊繃啦那這我們會再增加嗎?還有增加的規劃嗎?因為如果這個效果是很好的這要拍片這要拍片喔?對,所以很多台語界的先進也在關心說意思就是說文化部副社台語人是我們台語的藝術看起來比百中藝人多"},{"start":270.981,"end":286.869,"text":"對,對,對,對"},{"start":286.949,"end":304.626,"text":"但是他需要更多的工具,這就是文化部的這件嘛,你要有車,你要有影像,你要有動畫我就看嘛,沒有他有這個心,他也不知道怎麼在這個花園的環境裡面,在他的家庭讓他孩子接受就是大家意嘛,我想我們的責任跟目標很清楚啦。"},{"start":305.527,"end":331.558,"text":"對,因為剛剛部長也有提到就是母語家庭的傳承的部分那這個地方我也想要跟那個部長再做一些討論就是說我們剛剛講了我們的預算是不是可以再調整這個就請部長再想想看再來第二個部分是說根據我們的母語家庭我們現在有分學習家庭跟傳承家庭那這有不同的一些獎勵機制但是我在想我們這個傳承家庭是不是可以讓它做一些到社區的"},{"start":332.498,"end":332.738,"text":"我完全同意啦"},{"start":359.378,"end":371.131,"text":"尤其是經過這一次委員這個事情的提示我們也強化跟縣市政府的合作就是希望縣市政府這個公共事務的制度能夠跟專業的台語團體的對接強化"},{"start":374.716,"end":387.41,"text":"我們透過預算的補助比較強烈的來要求那進入社區我想這個是傳承家庭喔說得很好的人可以繼續的啦對我們可以要求他們因為現在有說不認同的說不認同的對這樣才會比較快的啦"},{"start":391.875,"end":397.578,"text":"對啦,就是說台語也需要社區營造啦,我知道啦這麻煩部長來找團體來討論一下我們現在是有1萬,我們之前目標是115年要5萬112年要1萬,那目前我們達成的數字是多少這個是當初一個以台語家庭為計畫的一個"},{"start":415.471,"end":436.755,"text":"但現實上我們現在目前還沒有辦法直接來計算到底待遇佳齡是多少因為這個可能還要一個大家集思廣益的一個認證的方法不過坦白說這也亂了但是因為你之前的目標已經拿出來了你已經有說要一萬了所以你之前應該要想好這個結算的一個方式所以我想要知道說到什麼時候會讓我們知道這個執行的成效目標"},{"start":440.256,"end":464.136,"text":"今年來做一個目標,把所謂的台語家庭學習型的傳承型的認證、鼓勵我想大家應該比較希望它是一個肯定的榮譽性加上說一個責任感,所以這個我可能要設計一下那大概什麼時候我們會有一個初步的計畫可以出來因為我覺得這位接應到,因為115年要五萬,剩下三年了"},{"start":468.28,"end":473.104,"text":"三個月或是兩個月內提供出來好不好?"},{"start":473.104,"end":485.917,"text":"謝謝再來就是說台語的師資因為我們剛剛要講我們要做台語的動漫這些戲劇還有這些活動其實都很需要這個台語的師資但是我們台語師資到現在只有120人"},{"start":487.739,"end":492.501,"text":"一、二年我們的課宇新進教師就有520人這個差異非常大所以我在想我們部長現在目前有沒有一些台語師資的培育計畫是不是也可以在一個禮拜"},{"start":510.647,"end":520.665,"text":"提供給我還是在什麼時候可以提供給我或者是說我們可不可以跟教育部來好好的討論一下怎麼樣去加速我們台語師資的培訓這些相關計畫大概什麼時候可以給我呢?"},{"start":521.756,"end":522.337,"text":"主席主席主席主席主席"},{"start":543.431,"end":567.023,"text":"對,所以我們就需要比較多人嘛,所以說這個就是價位要怎麼走,讓它提升啊但是嘛,因為它的普遍化啦,所以它,我們確實跟客語的認證比起來喔,這方面的這個需求跟積極度比較低,因為他不會說,會要說的人嘛,很多的嘛所以這個部分我們來整合一下,看怎麼樣能夠妥適的,不要腐爛,但是也有能夠增加這個培育失職的這個能量"},{"start":567.463,"end":586.574,"text":"好,那我們就會後再詳細討論這個部分好不好那再來就是針對於這個國家語言發展會議11、12年當時有說要辦但是後來其實是沒有辦那是預計今年會辦嗎?還是什麼時候會辦?我們其實是很計劃性的是今年來辦因為坦白講啦,也給委員坦誠報告嘛你現在剛才這個新舊政府嘛"},{"start":589.215,"end":589.355,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":619.175,"end":620.155,"text":"是否請國美館館長稍等"},{"start":636.73,"end":658.444,"text":"我們是跟東京藝術大學的博物館現在已經是在簽約的階段所以我們會在9月初的時候到東京藝術大學的美術館去進行展出展出的作品包括甘露水大概有20多件的雕塑作品我們現在也把這個展名改成"},{"start":660.685,"end":684.421,"text":"東京美術館的早期的學生的作品然後呢在展名裡面也有加上就是最早的台灣的這個雕塑學生黃土水這樣子所以我們預計9月會展出對不對對9月會展出現在已經在簽備忘錄了是的現在已經在簽約了那我們這個預算的一些規模是怎樣呢預算我們大概抓在500550萬左右"},{"start":687.233,"end":701.564,"text":"五百五十萬喔因為其實對我來說我覺得黃土水是台灣一個非常重要的一個藝術家然後他這一次是第一次要回去東京做參展我希望這是我們非常要謹慎尤其他現在也是一個國寶的身份"},{"start":702.304,"end":724.788,"text":"所以依據規定其實是我們申請單位應該要在運出國內至少兩個月前要檢據下列的一些文件跟主管機關提出申請所以現在我們應該要在7月之前就要提出申請那我們現在已經快要4月了那現在已經開始準備相關的一些動作了嗎有全部都在進行當中"},{"start":725.228,"end":752.081,"text":"全都已經在進行當中。 是的。那我想因為這個就是再回到我剛講的就是說因為這對我們台灣來說其實是要非常非常謹慎的要非常非常小心所以希望說史部長跟這個國美館在這個事情的展出上面一定要非常仔細然後非常謹慎的去處理我們國保出國然後讓日本的民眾也可以看到我們台灣甘露水的這個藝術之美那就讓我們一起來努力謝謝。 謝謝。"},{"start":754.94,"end":754.961,"text":"好,謝謝。"}]}}}}