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00:00:45,357\n總委好部長好署長好參謀長好來請教一下部長目前我們看到今天報告是無人機目前我們的編制預定會採購多少無人機我們大概目標是有三千多架三千多架是不是這樣的分配這將來目標目標嘛那戰鬥層級的無人機目前大概編制多少架你有沒有分成那個連戰還有戰術還有戰鬥\n\n3\n00:00:49,681 --> 00:01:12,540\n這個數量我要請...好沒關係後面再給接下來我們來看一下那目前我們無人機如果都配置到位的話有足夠的操作手嗎?需要多少飛手?這也是剛剛我們在做說明以後啊這要一個界定什麼層級一定要操作手有層級戰鬥型的外面一般年輕人他都會的加以訓練以後就可以執行的所以沒有一個定論\n\n4\n00:01:13,260 --> 00:01:25,451\n所以目前你們有統計過部隊裡面的飛手人數嗎?我們有統計過大概是多少人?方便通路嗎?不是,需要這樣概略請盡快說明\n\n5\n00:01:27,697 --> 00:01:51,868\n報告委員簡單跟你報告就是剛剛有提到了分三大部分這裡面它不是以操作手為主它是一個每一個系統它有分內部跟外部那簡單講因為我看到你們報告說你們要操作手的訓練規劃你們預計明天培訓在訓練中心打算要訓練多少人我目前為止來講是可以滿足現在就以套裝來講所有人大概多少人現在是200多個人200多個那未來大概如果3000架到位了你們需要多少人\n\n6\n00:01:52,253 --> 00:01:55,276\n你知道我們目前國內的民用無人機的總支出多少嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:10,077 --> 00:02:34,023\n什麼種數啊?無人機,民用的你知道民用有在用無人機嗎?我知道有民用無人機我們在屏東,我們是農業界,我們叫紙寶機啊專門農藥、肥料,用這個紙寶機在肥你知道大概有多少數量,類似民間使用的嗎?數量我不知道,但類別蠻多的,有常用的對,也有空拍的,是那有多少人有專業操作證照嗎?目前這個操作證照是由民航局來發給\n\n8\n00:02:35,023 --> 00:02:53,678\n有沒有那個統計我告訴你目前我們國內有四萬兩千架無人機民航局發給證照的將近一萬人這是一個很可觀的民間的力量好我們往下看所以我想請教一下如果後備戰力我們可以把無人機的專業飛手納進來嗎\n\n9\n00:02:55,990 --> 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--> 00:14.508\n主席．在場的委員先進．列席的政府機關署長官員．會場工作夥伴．記者媒體女士先生．有請我們邱部長．還有全民防衛動員署的白署長．以及後備指揮部參謀長薛將軍\n\n00:23.696 --> 00:45.357\n總委好部長好署長好參謀長好來請教一下部長目前我們看到今天報告是無人機目前我們的編制預定會採購多少無人機我們大概目標是有三千多架三千多架是不是這樣的分配這將來目標目標嘛那戰鬥層級的無人機目前大概編制多少架你有沒有分成那個連戰還有戰術還有戰鬥\n\n00:49.681 --> 01:12.540\n這個數量我要請...好沒關係後面再給接下來我們來看一下那目前我們無人機如果都配置到位的話有足夠的操作手嗎?需要多少飛手?這也是剛剛我們在做說明以後啊這要一個界定什麼層級一定要操作手有層級戰鬥型的外面一般年輕人他都會的加以訓練以後就可以執行的所以沒有一個定論\n\n01:13.260 --> 01:25.451\n所以目前你們有統計過部隊裡面的飛手人數嗎?我們有統計過大概是多少人?方便通路嗎?不是,需要這樣概略請盡快說明\n\n01:27.697 --> 01:51.868\n報告委員簡單跟你報告就是剛剛有提到了分三大部分這裡面它不是以操作手為主它是一個每一個系統它有分內部跟外部那簡單講因為我看到你們報告說你們要操作手的訓練規劃你們預計明天培訓在訓練中心打算要訓練多少人我目前為止來講是可以滿足現在就以套裝來講所有人大概多少人現在是200多個人200多個那未來大概如果3000架到位了你們需要多少人\n\n01:52.253 --> 01:55.276\n你知道我們目前國內的民用無人機的總支出多少嗎?\n\n02:10.077 --> 02:34.023\n什麼種數啊?無人機,民用的你知道民用有在用無人機嗎?我知道有民用無人機我們在屏東,我們是農業界,我們叫紙寶機啊專門農藥、肥料,用這個紙寶機在肥你知道大概有多少數量,類似民間使用的嗎?數量我不知道,但類別蠻多的,有常用的對,也有空拍的,是那有多少人有專業操作證照嗎?目前這個操作證照是由民航局來發給\n\n02:35.023 --> 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