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{\"word\": \"算\", \"start\": 689.552, \"end\": 689.572, \"score\": 0.0}, {\"word\": \"．\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:00,009 --> 00:00:01,590\n請召委林宜瑾委員謝主席有請部長部長好早在2021年政府就成立跨部會的協調小組責成NCC跟文化部就大型的數位平台對本國新聞媒體的內容產業影響進行產業的調查研究\n\n2\n00:00:26,438 --> 00:00:41,865\n台北市報業工會及雜誌工會都是文化部輔導的單位而且可是這兩個單位他們都認為面對台灣媒體當前的處境政府確實有立法的必要報業工會還認為說應該要積極推動媒體溢價法雜誌工會是認為應該要徵收媒體健康權\n\n3\n00:00:50,589 --> 00:01:19,290\n媒體健康圈設立培育第4權任性特別基金我想要請部長說明的是本席知道說我們文化部因為剛剛萬美林委員也有質詢就文化部支持媒體有價針對本席還有許多委員其實陸續有提出媒體溢價法的草案我知道文化部都除了表示尊重外是不是還有更積極的態度\n\n4\n00:01:22,178 --> 00:01:48,469\n我想委員應該非常專業清楚新聞有價、媒體有價或者是媒體溢價是現在進行式尤其在世界各國那強制溢價有成功也有不成功那歐盟的方法其實又不大一樣所以其實我們跟訴發部一直都在溝通協調就是說到底台灣能夠用什麼樣的方法尤其是涉及到著作權法、遣議法\n\n5\n00:01:49,289 --> 00:01:51,110\n李卓人議員李卓人議員李卓人議員李卓人議員\n\n6\n00:02:18,442 --> 00:02:34,762\n好,就文化部委託團體辦理的這個產業調查裡頭媒體對於跨國平台當然確實有所依賴所以你說嘛就在這樣的關係下面我們流量也會受到這個所謂跨國平台的載制連帶這個新聞產製也會受到平台的制約\n\n7\n00:02:38,306 --> 00:03:02,624\n所以當然也就是因為這一點所以政府在推動這個跨國媒體跟跨國平台間的這個平等協商機制的這個過程當中一定要有角色就證明說現在正在進行中可是我們早眼當然不是只有這個兩種產業的經濟利益分配而已我覺得更大的目標是要捍衛民主國家這個自由多元跟優質的媒體環境\n\n8\n00:03:04,025 --> 00:03:05,046\n中央社以文字呈現報導的媒體它所產出的新聞是用著作權法嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:44,706\n我想委員應該很清楚我們著作全法的相關規定對於公開傳輸的新聞雜誌等等的論述是同意\n\n10\n00:03:45,973 --> 00:03:46,634\n主席主席主席\n\n11\n00:04:06,512 --> 00:04:32,730\n這個其實也是現在這個媒體議價的一個關鍵嘛對因為它現在之所以能夠免費使用就是因為著作權法事實上對於本來的新聞公開化事實上是有保障的那未來所以說如何如果不透過立法現在的著作權法事實上是沒有辦法產生新聞議價確實是這個狀況對那當然是有這個判例啦智慧財產法院有這個判例這個判例當然就是很明顯的是\n\n12\n00:04:33,850 --> 00:04:48,179\n這是受到著作權法的保障因為他認為報導的標題素材或他編排的方式反映作者精神上的想法那也足以表現撰寫書記者的創作個性、他的封筆\n\n13\n00:04:50,600 --> 00:05:10,456\n文革所以這個基本上就是他的所謂的最低程度的創作所以他是屬於這個著作權法的保障這是判例當然會舉這個判例的意思就是要提醒說對雖然媒體溢價法早遠的不是新聞的這個著作權那主責單位好像各委員的版本也是認為是數位發展部\n\n14\n00:05:12,817 --> 00:05:32,627\n但這並不代表說在這個整個的發展的過程文化部可以置身事外所以我覺得我們在推動這個媒體溢價法的立法當然我知道您現在就是我們要採取怎麼樣的方式我們現在演繹哪一種方式最適合台灣可是看起來是往這個趨勢在前進所以我覺得我們還是要就戰鬥位置一起努力\n\n15\n00:05:38,470 --> 00:05:39,971\n二月為期6天的國際書展當然就是5萬人潮\n\n16\n00:05:57,158 --> 00:06:21,078\n光是文化成年禮金我們就有超過千萬的營業額這是值得讚賞的那臺北書展的這個董事長也說閱讀活力又重新回來了好像臺北書市好像今年股市開盤的電子股一樣一片的水漲船高那我們確實在書展的現場也看到山人海水洩不通那兩項問題要請教部長首先是幫讀者們問\n\n17\n00:06:24,821 --> 00:06:45,060\n二月27日及28日二天一次會有讀者在書展的現場因為人潮過度的擁擠產生了一些很不愉快的現象好像說他要在現場翻書、閱讀書可能都沒有那個空間或者是說業者想要介紹給讀者也沒有那個空間就是人擠人\n\n18\n00:06:46,702 --> 00:06:54,693\n提供更舒適的環境是不是比較好一點所以我們考量說在成本效益合宜的情況之下另密地點辦書展\n\n19\n00:06:56,104 --> 00:07:23,621\n好,跟委員報告我想今年台北國際書展恐怕是近十幾年來第一次啊到禮拜六禮拜天的時候他把所有的大門都打開那其實很重要的原因就是因為含氧量對,有太多因為人太多,那個通風如果不行的話會怕出現問題那這當然確實是好事但是誠如委員所講的這個一個我們亞洲最大的華語文的國際書展搞得跟\n\n20\n00:07:25,217 --> 00:07:25,417\n改變地點有一定的風險\n\n21\n00:07:45,755 --> 00:08:12,627\n這個要大家共同又有心理準備才行不但是這確實陳副委員講的這是已經是一個必須要被討論思考的議題每次讀者去都覺得非常不舒服人那麼多所以我覺得如果另覓場地在整個的預算合宜之下我覺得這是應該是一個比較好的我個人是很支持我也希望大家能夠認真思考不過這個坦白講要給大家一些空間\n\n22\n00:08:14,127 --> 00:08:33,798\n好,再來談到賣書的問題就是說我們從這次國際書展成果豐碩來看當然看起來是台灣的閱讀市場有一定的活力可是這股活力為什麼沒有辦法進一步轉移到實體的書店上去那部分的論者是認為說圖書的折扣戰或許是政府一個必須關注的議題\n\n23\n00:08:35,118 --> 00:08:51,605\n以這次書展來看有出版業者就寄出單本77折買3本以上還有另有折扣的優惠等等就連今年現象級的這個翻譯作品李涵紙筆翻譯的《魔戒套書》在書展的預購價都跟現在電商平台一樣的折扣都從定價2500下殺到1499\n\n24\n00:08:59,529 --> 00:09:22,290\n當然我們想說難道圖書折扣只是一個時事所趨的無奈嗎就是說面對勢力龐大的這種電商平台文化部要怎麼團結出版業者或者是書店業我們來促進更加健康或永續的這個所謂的商業環境有沒有辦法除了打折扣以外\n\n25\n00:09:23,496 --> 00:09:34,241\n我想從去年開始文化部事長是跟速發部是主動找平台業者跟出版業者大家在協商嘛我們總是希望說不要進入一個折扣站的市場\n\n26\n00:09:35,697 --> 00:09:39,498\n二、處理及文化部部長史哲列席報告業務概況．\n\n27\n00:09:58,380 --> 00:09:58,400\n對,好。\n\n28\n00:10:21,119 --> 00:10:41,684\n最後要跟您討論文化發展基金的財源問題根據《文化基本法》第24條文化部應設置文化發展基金辦理事項涵蓋文化發展跟公共媒體可是文化發展基金成立至今每次在預算書上都會特別說明財源相當有限\n\n29\n00:10:42,524 --> 00:10:56,955\n不過在行政院今年的施政方針裡頭卻有提到說完備文化法規體系充實文化發展經濟是重要的施政目標之一所以部長為了突破所謂財源不足的這個困境你有什麼規則?\n\n30\n00:10:59,737 --> 00:11:25,860\n謝謝委員我想委員上一次的這個公務預算的這個修法大家就有期待說透過1%的公務預算那如果有免辦或者是不需要辦能夠來充實文化發展基金那有沒有充實當然是有但是可能沒有大家所想像的那麼多那這裡面有涉及到就是說這一次包括大家所關心的是不是有一些事實上是可以繳基金的我們應該有些機制鼓勵他繳啦這是其一第二就是說這個\n\n31\n00:11:27,932 --> 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開始文化部事長是跟速發部是主動找平台業者跟出版業者大家在協商嘛我們總是希望說不要進入一個折扣站的市場\n二、處理及文化部部長史哲列席報告業務概況．\n對,好。\n最後要跟您討論文化發展基金的財源問題根據《文化基本法》第24條文化部應設置文化發展基金辦理事項涵蓋文化發展跟公共媒體可是文化發展基金成立至今每次在預算書上都會特別說明財源相當有限\n不過在行政院今年的施政方針裡頭卻有提到說完備文化法規體系充實文化發展經濟是重要的施政目標之一所以部長為了突破所謂財源不足的這個困境你有什麼規則?\n謝謝委員我想委員上一次的這個公務預算的這個修法大家就有期待說透過1%的公務預算那如果有免辦或者是不需要辦能夠來充實文化發展基金那有沒有充實當然是有但是可能沒有大家所想像的那麼多那這裡面有涉及到就是說這一次包括大家所關心的是不是有一些事實上是可以繳基金的我們應該有些機制鼓勵他繳啦這是其一第二就是說這個\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算．\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:01.590\n請召委林宜瑾委員謝主席有請部長部長好早在2021年政府就成立跨部會的協調小組責成NCC跟文化部就大型的數位平台對本國新聞媒體的內容產業影響進行產業的調查研究\n\n00:26.438 --> 00:41.865\n台北市報業工會及雜誌工會都是文化部輔導的單位而且可是這兩個單位他們都認為面對台灣媒體當前的處境政府確實有立法的必要報業工會還認為說應該要積極推動媒體溢價法雜誌工會是認為應該要徵收媒體健康權\n\n00:50.589 --> 01:19.290\n媒體健康圈設立培育第4權任性特別基金我想要請部長說明的是本席知道說我們文化部因為剛剛萬美林委員也有質詢就文化部支持媒體有價針對本席還有許多委員其實陸續有提出媒體溢價法的草案我知道文化部都除了表示尊重外是不是還有更積極的態度\n\n01:22.178 --> 01:48.469\n我想委員應該非常專業清楚新聞有價、媒體有價或者是媒體溢價是現在進行式尤其在世界各國那強制溢價有成功也有不成功那歐盟的方法其實又不大一樣所以其實我們跟訴發部一直都在溝通協調就是說到底台灣能夠用什麼樣的方法尤其是涉及到著作權法、遣議法\n\n01:49.289 --> 01:51.110\n李卓人議員李卓人議員李卓人議員李卓人議員\n\n02:18.442 --> 02:34.762\n好,就文化部委託團體辦理的這個產業調查裡頭媒體對於跨國平台當然確實有所依賴所以你說嘛就在這樣的關係下面我們流量也會受到這個所謂跨國平台的載制連帶這個新聞產製也會受到平台的制約\n\n02:38.306 --> 03:02.624\n所以當然也就是因為這一點所以政府在推動這個跨國媒體跟跨國平台間的這個平等協商機制的這個過程當中一定要有角色就證明說現在正在進行中可是我們早眼當然不是只有這個兩種產業的經濟利益分配而已我覺得更大的目標是要捍衛民主國家這個自由多元跟優質的媒體環境\n\n03:04.025 --> 03:05.046\n中央社以文字呈現報導的媒體它所產出的新聞是用著作權法嗎?\n\n03:33.800 --> 03:44.706\n我想委員應該很清楚我們著作全法的相關規定對於公開傳輸的新聞雜誌等等的論述是同意\n\n03:45.973 --> 03:46.634\n主席主席主席\n\n04:06.512 --> 04:32.730\n這個其實也是現在這個媒體議價的一個關鍵嘛對因為它現在之所以能夠免費使用就是因為著作權法事實上對於本來的新聞公開化事實上是有保障的那未來所以說如何如果不透過立法現在的著作權法事實上是沒有辦法產生新聞議價確實是這個狀況對那當然是有這個判例啦智慧財產法院有這個判例這個判例當然就是很明顯的是\n\n04:33.850 --> 04:48.179\n這是受到著作權法的保障因為他認為報導的標題素材或他編排的方式反映作者精神上的想法那也足以表現撰寫書記者的創作個性、他的封筆\n\n04:50.600 --> 05:10.456\n文革所以這個基本上就是他的所謂的最低程度的創作所以他是屬於這個著作權法的保障這是判例當然會舉這個判例的意思就是要提醒說對雖然媒體溢價法早遠的不是新聞的這個著作權那主責單位好像各委員的版本也是認為是數位發展部\n\n05:12.817 --> 05:32.627\n但這並不代表說在這個整個的發展的過程文化部可以置身事外所以我覺得我們在推動這個媒體溢價法的立法當然我知道您現在就是我們要採取怎麼樣的方式我們現在演繹哪一種方式最適合台灣可是看起來是往這個趨勢在前進所以我覺得我們還是要就戰鬥位置一起努力\n\n05:38.470 --> 05:39.971\n二月為期6天的國際書展當然就是5萬人潮\n\n05:57.158 --> 06:21.078\n光是文化成年禮金我們就有超過千萬的營業額這是值得讚賞的那臺北書展的這個董事長也說閱讀活力又重新回來了好像臺北書市好像今年股市開盤的電子股一樣一片的水漲船高那我們確實在書展的現場也看到山人海水洩不通那兩項問題要請教部長首先是幫讀者們問\n\n06:24.821 --> 06:45.060\n二月27日及28日二天一次會有讀者在書展的現場因為人潮過度的擁擠產生了一些很不愉快的現象好像說他要在現場翻書、閱讀書可能都沒有那個空間或者是說業者想要介紹給讀者也沒有那個空間就是人擠人\n\n06:46.702 --> 06:54.693\n提供更舒適的環境是不是比較好一點所以我們考量說在成本效益合宜的情況之下另密地點辦書展\n\n06:56.104 --> 07:23.621\n好,跟委員報告我想今年台北國際書展恐怕是近十幾年來第一次啊到禮拜六禮拜天的時候他把所有的大門都打開那其實很重要的原因就是因為含氧量對,有太多因為人太多,那個通風如果不行的話會怕出現問題那這當然確實是好事但是誠如委員所講的這個一個我們亞洲最大的華語文的國際書展搞得跟\n\n07:25.217 --> 07:25.417\n改變地點有一定的風險\n\n07:45.755 --> 08:12.627\n這個要大家共同又有心理準備才行不但是這確實陳副委員講的這是已經是一個必須要被討論思考的議題每次讀者去都覺得非常不舒服人那麼多所以我覺得如果另覓場地在整個的預算合宜之下我覺得這是應該是一個比較好的我個人是很支持我也希望大家能夠認真思考不過這個坦白講要給大家一些空間\n\n08:14.127 --> 08:33.798\n好,再來談到賣書的問題就是說我們從這次國際書展成果豐碩來看當然看起來是台灣的閱讀市場有一定的活力可是這股活力為什麼沒有辦法進一步轉移到實體的書店上去那部分的論者是認為說圖書的折扣戰或許是政府一個必須關注的議題\n\n08:35.118 --> 08:51.605\n以這次書展來看有出版業者就寄出單本77折買3本以上還有另有折扣的優惠等等就連今年現象級的這個翻譯作品李涵紙筆翻譯的《魔戒套書》在書展的預購價都跟現在電商平台一樣的折扣都從定價2500下殺到1499\n\n08:59.529 --> 09:22.290\n當然我們想說難道圖書折扣只是一個時事所趨的無奈嗎就是說面對勢力龐大的這種電商平台文化部要怎麼團結出版業者或者是書店業我們來促進更加健康或永續的這個所謂的商業環境有沒有辦法除了打折扣以外\n\n09:23.496 --> 09:34.241\n我想從去年開始文化部事長是跟速發部是主動找平台業者跟出版業者大家在協商嘛我們總是希望說不要進入一個折扣站的市場\n\n09:35.697 --> 09:39.498\n二、處理及文化部部長史哲列席報告業務概況．\n\n09:58.380 --> 09:58.400\n對,好。\n\n10:21.119 --> 10:41.684\n最後要跟您討論文化發展基金的財源問題根據《文化基本法》第24條文化部應設置文化發展基金辦理事項涵蓋文化發展跟公共媒體可是文化發展基金成立至今每次在預算書上都會特別說明財源相當有限\n\n10:42.524 --> 10:56.955\n不過在行政院今年的施政方針裡頭卻有提到說完備文化法規體系充實文化發展經濟是重要的施政目標之一所以部長為了突破所謂財源不足的這個困境你有什麼規則?\n\n10:59.737 --> 11:25.860\n謝謝委員我想委員上一次的這個公務預算的這個修法大家就有期待說透過1%的公務預算那如果有免辦或者是不需要辦能夠來充實文化發展基金那有沒有充實當然是有但是可能沒有大家所想像的那麼多那這裡面有涉及到就是說這一次包括大家所關心的是不是有一些事實上是可以繳基金的我們應該有些機制鼓勵他繳啦這是其一第二就是說這個\n\n11:27.932 --> 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