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00:01:00,075\n我剛才在下面有個問題我想先釐清因為是前面幾個委員有問的但是好像我聽到的是不同的那個答案所以我先確認一下這一點剛才洪孟凱委員他有提到周楚除三害然後羅廷威委員也提到周楚除三害那部裡面這邊有沒有\n\n4\n00:01:01,076 --> 00:01:03,036\n文策院有沒有給予他投資?\n\n5\n00:01:28,513 --> 00:01:53,758\n我所瞭解文車院沒有進行投資好的,謝謝接下來我先幫地方請命一下我們這個2006年就已經公告為國定遺址的這個鳳鼻頭那截至目前為止好像它的這個用地徵收等等的一些後續的應該有的流程一直到建置博物館或文物館或展示廳不曉得目前的進度如何\n\n6\n00:01:54,218 --> 00:02:10,238\n因為我想這個物價已經漸漸的偏高了所以當地方跟我們提起來說這樣子的一個數額聽起來是蠻高的比過去剛開始如果差不多在10幾年前去做一個處理那現在的那個成本已經變得非常高了\n\n7\n00:02:11,792 --> 00:02:31,466\n跟委員報告一下這件事情我是不是讓文職局長回應一下我只要知道說目前目前整個進度我想高雄市政府他也提過的一些計畫上來那在審議會之前也有一些意見有回去請他們再研議上來那裡面還有一些像民地徵收的問題可能這些地方還要做一些處理\n\n8\n00:02:33,943 --> 00:02:59,323\n請這個部分積極處理好不好因為就我所知從我們把人家框成國定移植而且很大一塊然後截至目前為止一直都沒有再往前進所以地方也非常著急那人的一生也不是太長我想委員應該很清楚啦就是我們都有處理過他其實關鍵核心的問題就是他的徵收費用非常的高啦對如果是十幾年前可能比現在就減了大概現在已經又增加了五倍所以十幾年前就非常高\n\n9\n00:03:00,123 --> 00:03:04,027\n第三個部分是吳委員講到壯世代其實我蠻贊同這個概念的不管他在哪一個部分講我覺得都應該被強化那我這邊其實心裡也有一些對於這個部裡面在文化幣的這個部分在112年你們補助了你們發放了這個針對18到21歲的文化幣\n\n10\n00:03:27,647 --> 00:03:45,062\n今年又要發放16至22歲我當然要幫壯世代講講話請問我們大概坐在這邊的大部分都跟這個年齡層應該是占的結構比例非常高文化部如何來處理今年是不是也給我們壯世代發禮金的這個問題\n\n11\n00:03:48,223 --> 00:03:48,883\n是黑潮計畫吧\n\n12\n00:04:18,206 --> 00:04:24,511\n你們沒有寫在黑潮計畫裡面你們談到了台流六個面向應該是黑潮的六個面向\n\n13\n00:04:26,641 --> 00:04:54,047\n他其實就是影視與文化科技那出版嘛然後以及這個文化創意跟這個視覺藝術以及所以是項目就對了不是領域是不同的領域是六個領域是六個領域是好因為沒有寫嘛我不太確定是不是原住民可能沒列然後這個台語又有就是是六個領域不是那個吧是六個領域好好好那這個部分是不是可以給我那個比較更清楚的一個書面是\n\n14\n00:04:55,567 --> 00:04:55,828\n二、處理或審查ESG\n\n15\n00:05:06,315 --> 00:05:29,071\n大約分成幾個部分第一個是去年我們當然首次是跟金管會跟這個政交所是把ESG在文化上的這個項目是納入的評鑑跟計分啦所以我們是哪一些項目被納入評鑑跟計分只要是對文化有捐助或者是參與等等他基本上是在他的企業的ESG的總體報告裡面是可以被\n\n16\n00:05:29,872 --> 00:05:33,535\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告業務：立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化部部長史哲列席報告業務：林倩綺\n\n17\n00:05:54,251 --> 00:06:18,459\n新的年度的這個評分手冊裡面有納入嘛這是一個第一步嘛因為過去可能做檢探做淨零這個可以納入加分嘛可是過去是連文化可以加分這件事情都沒有那現在至少文化已經被納入加分的項目了那我們希望進一步就是說透過跟證交所跟金管會能夠廣為宣達\n\n18\n00:06:21,340 --> 00:06:47,879\n其實企業可能很多都不知道是是是就我所知企業也有一點問題所以文化部這邊為人來如果要把這個部分計算出去我先建議啦你們可能找個單位也先把文化部被納進去的這個數字先算清楚那那些中小企業或者是贊助的企業他也會比較有清楚的一個額度這樣是是謝謝好那接下來我這個談一下那個博物館\n\n19\n00:06:49,861 --> 00:06:57,950\n據我所知因為前一陣子那個史博館剛開幕然後故宮是不是也有要整修的一個計畫\n\n20\n00:06:59,929 --> 00:07:22,537\n有嗎?故宮整修的計畫好像已經開始了吧?好,那我要提的是說因為這幾個館在台北是很重要的一個場館那有一些比較大型的展示如果要能夠來台北那它通常會看我們在博物館的條件那兩個館如果在整建的\n\n21\n00:07:23,217 --> 00:07:49,115\n交互日期太近的話可能會有很大的問題所以請部裡面注意一下這個部分那也跟顧風來做一個研討好不好因為像我們這一次國父紀念館的整修跟史博館的開幕就是為了要錯開嘛史博館開幕之後國父紀念館才能夠整修就是為了怕同時都是閉館所以我這邊就提出來這個建議請注意一下這個部分然後再來是那個人權博物館\n\n22\n00:07:49,895 --> 00:07:50,075\n李慧琼議員\n\n23\n00:08:09,738 --> 00:08:10,038\n二、處理或審查新聞報告業務概況．\n\n24\n00:08:28,203 --> 00:08:47,783\n的同胞納進去所以是不是可以請部裡面研議一下這個我們現在在台灣的各族群那在人權上當時有被剝奪的人權博物館關心的絕對是廣泛而且是比較廣益的人權的議題都是人權博物館關心的課題所以並沒有特別排除\n\n25\n00:08:48,783 --> 00:09:16,490\n主權或什麼事件?或許沒有排除但是我們看的意象就是美麗島事件那展示的內容上我想是不是也可以未來做一個討論最後一個這個是我作為雖然沒有跟你那個業務上經常討論但是有一件事情我這邊做一個提醒那個1624這部劇在經費上我覺得是有點使用的很可惜\n\n26\n00:09:19,251 --> 00:09:44,473\n因為我們中國國民黨的黨團有跟貴部要相關的資料那他要到的資料是你們這個兩天的活動總共用了八千五百萬但是我自己一個一個去查有稍微少一點點八千零五十萬但是你們就發現這個決標這是我查的那你們給黨部的應該是更給黨團的應該是更多所以可不可以回到上面我們看一下這個\n\n27\n00:09:47,556 --> 00:10:06,537\n大型戶外歌仔戲音樂舞台製作硬體現場規劃等等就花了3000萬然後戶外歌仔戲音樂劇的委託製作案可能就是你們製作了一個1624然後想把所有的概念都放進來當然也3000多萬了那比較特殊的就是有一個歌仔戲台南演出住宿祭\n\n28\n00:10:07,378 --> 00:10:34,427\n交通勞務採購這個其實是可以不必要絕對是限制性招標我們或許可以幾乎這邊全部都是限制性招標所以我覺得這個部分或許在那個時候的考量並不是那麼的完整那但是接下來我們看下一頁那最重要的這些人跟劇團大概花了590萬那這個比例跟整體8千多萬的這個比例是有很大的差異\n\n29\n00:10:35,327 --> 00:10:39,649\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、邀請文化部長史哲列席報告業務概況：一、審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、審查113年度\n\n30\n00:10:53,194 --> 00:11:17,222\n所以他們原本是非常重要的主角到最後就變成全部被稀釋像跑龍套一樣有的時候我們看到中間都不忍心看下去然後另外就是那他們的經費這麼少他應該是最核心的表演人員可是在這整個經費上涵蓋的比例非常低那況且就兩場的演出八千多萬是有點可惜\n\n31\n00:11:17,762 --> 00:11:38,960\n所以我覺得利益良好但是在整個這個過程當中在藝文界的一個回饋並不是太好所以跟部長建議一下這樣子的一個概念或許未來在整個的規劃過程當中可以找劇團跟找一些相關的人等來做多方面的考量\n\n32\n00:11:39,620 --> 00:12:05,861\n所以不會說一件利益良好的事情那這個產生的結果有很多不同的負面論述這個是我的一個建議啦謝謝委員不過我特別要釐清一下限制性招標不是不公開招標限制性招標只是評選的招標方式啦所以第一是第二第二個這個案子的參與的規劃人員我想委員應該也有看到嘛他都是國內一級的\n\n33\n00:12:07,813 --> 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：一、審查113年度\n653194\t677222\t所以他們原本是非常重要的主角到最後就變成全部被稀釋像跑龍套一樣有的時候我們看到中間都不忍心看下去然後另外就是那他們的經費這麼少他應該是最核心的表演人員可是在這整個經費上涵蓋的比例非常低那況且就兩場的演出八千多萬是有點可惜\n677762\t698960\t所以我覺得利益良好但是在整個這個過程當中在藝文界的一個回饋並不是太好所以跟部長建議一下這樣子的一個概念或許未來在整個的規劃過程當中可以找劇團跟找一些相關的人等來做多方面的考量\n699620\t725861\t所以不會說一件利益良好的事情那這個產生的結果有很多不同的負面論述這個是我的一個建議啦謝謝委員不過我特別要釐清一下限制性招標不是不公開招標限制性招標只是評選的招標方式啦所以第一是第二第二個這個案子的參與的規劃人員我想委員應該也有看到嘛他都是國內一級的\n727813\t727954\t主席執行長\n","txt":"主席\n文化委員會主席\n我剛才在下面有個問題我想先釐清因為是前面幾個委員有問的但是好像我聽到的是不同的那個答案所以我先確認一下這一點剛才洪孟凱委員他有提到周楚除三害然後羅廷威委員也提到周楚除三害那部裡面這邊有沒有\n文策院有沒有給予他投資?\n我所瞭解文車院沒有進行投資好的,謝謝接下來我先幫地方請命一下我們這個2006年就已經公告為國定遺址的這個鳳鼻頭那截至目前為止好像它的這個用地徵收等等的一些後續的應該有的流程一直到建置博物館或文物館或展示廳不曉得目前的進度如何\n因為我想這個物價已經漸漸的偏高了所以當地方跟我們提起來說這樣子的一個數額聽起來是蠻高的比過去剛開始如果差不多在10幾年前去做一個處理那現在的那個成本已經變得非常高了\n跟委員報告一下這件事情我是不是讓文職局長回應一下我只要知道說目前目前整個進度我想高雄市政府他也提過的一些計畫上來那在審議會之前也有一些意見有回去請他們再研議上來那裡面還有一些像民地徵收的問題可能這些地方還要做一些處理\n請這個部分積極處理好不好因為就我所知從我們把人家框成國定移植而且很大一塊然後截至目前為止一直都沒有再往前進所以地方也非常著急那人的一生也不是太長我想委員應該很清楚啦就是我們都有處理過他其實關鍵核心的問題就是他的徵收費用非常的高啦對如果是十幾年前可能比現在就減了大概現在已經又增加了五倍所以十幾年前就非常高\n第三個部分是吳委員講到壯世代其實我蠻贊同這個概念的不管他在哪一個部分講我覺得都應該被強化那我這邊其實心裡也有一些對於這個部裡面在文化幣的這個部分在112年你們補助了你們發放了這個針對18到21歲的文化幣\n今年又要發放16至22歲我當然要幫壯世代講講話請問我們大概坐在這邊的大部分都跟這個年齡層應該是占的結構比例非常高文化部如何來處理今年是不是也給我們壯世代發禮金的這個問題\n是黑潮計畫吧\n你們沒有寫在黑潮計畫裡面你們談到了台流六個面向應該是黑潮的六個面向\n他其實就是影視與文化科技那出版嘛然後以及這個文化創意跟這個視覺藝術以及所以是項目就對了不是領域是不同的領域是六個領域是六個領域是好因為沒有寫嘛我不太確定是不是原住民可能沒列然後這個台語又有就是是六個領域不是那個吧是六個領域好好好那這個部分是不是可以給我那個比較更清楚的一個書面是\n二、處理或審查ESG\n大約分成幾個部分第一個是去年我們當然首次是跟金管會跟這個政交所是把ESG在文化上的這個項目是納入的評鑑跟計分啦所以我們是哪一些項目被納入評鑑跟計分只要是對文化有捐助或者是參與等等他基本上是在他的企業的ESG的總體報告裡面是可以被\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告業務：立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化部部長史哲列席報告業務：林倩綺\n新的年度的這個評分手冊裡面有納入嘛這是一個第一步嘛因為過去可能做檢探做淨零這個可以納入加分嘛可是過去是連文化可以加分這件事情都沒有那現在至少文化已經被納入加分的項目了那我們希望進一步就是說透過跟證交所跟金管會能夠廣為宣達\n其實企業可能很多都不知道是是是就我所知企業也有一點問題所以文化部這邊為人來如果要把這個部分計算出去我先建議啦你們可能找個單位也先把文化部被納進去的這個數字先算清楚那那些中小企業或者是贊助的企業他也會比較有清楚的一個額度這樣是是謝謝好那接下來我這個談一下那個博物館\n據我所知因為前一陣子那個史博館剛開幕然後故宮是不是也有要整修的一個計畫\n有嗎?故宮整修的計畫好像已經開始了吧?好,那我要提的是說因為這幾個館在台北是很重要的一個場館那有一些比較大型的展示如果要能夠來台北那它通常會看我們在博物館的條件那兩個館如果在整建的\n交互日期太近的話可能會有很大的問題所以請部裡面注意一下這個部分那也跟顧風來做一個研討好不好因為像我們這一次國父紀念館的整修跟史博館的開幕就是為了要錯開嘛史博館開幕之後國父紀念館才能夠整修就是為了怕同時都是閉館所以我這邊就提出來這個建議請注意一下這個部分然後再來是那個人權博物館\n李慧琼議員\n二、處理或審查新聞報告業務概況．\n的同胞納進去所以是不是可以請部裡面研議一下這個我們現在在台灣的各族群那在人權上當時有被剝奪的人權博物館關心的絕對是廣泛而且是比較廣益的人權的議題都是人權博物館關心的課題所以並沒有特別排除\n主權或什麼事件?或許沒有排除但是我們看的意象就是美麗島事件那展示的內容上我想是不是也可以未來做一個討論最後一個這個是我作為雖然沒有跟你那個業務上經常討論但是有一件事情我這邊做一個提醒那個1624這部劇在經費上我覺得是有點使用的很可惜\n因為我們中國國民黨的黨團有跟貴部要相關的資料那他要到的資料是你們這個兩天的活動總共用了八千五百萬但是我自己一個一個去查有稍微少一點點八千零五十萬但是你們就發現這個決標這是我查的那你們給黨部的應該是更給黨團的應該是更多所以可不可以回到上面我們看一下這個\n大型戶外歌仔戲音樂舞台製作硬體現場規劃等等就花了3000萬然後戶外歌仔戲音樂劇的委託製作案可能就是你們製作了一個1624然後想把所有的概念都放進來當然也3000多萬了那比較特殊的就是有一個歌仔戲台南演出住宿祭\n交通勞務採購這個其實是可以不必要絕對是限制性招標我們或許可以幾乎這邊全部都是限制性招標所以我覺得這個部分或許在那個時候的考量並不是那麼的完整那但是接下來我們看下一頁那最重要的這些人跟劇團大概花了590萬那這個比例跟整體8千多萬的這個比例是有很大的差異\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算：一、邀請文化部長史哲列席報告業務概況：一、審查113年度中央政府總預算 ：一、審查113年度\n所以他們原本是非常重要的主角到最後就變成全部被稀釋像跑龍套一樣有的時候我們看到中間都不忍心看下去然後另外就是那他們的經費這麼少他應該是最核心的表演人員可是在這整個經費上涵蓋的比例非常低那況且就兩場的演出八千多萬是有點可惜\n所以我覺得利益良好但是在整個這個過程當中在藝文界的一個回饋並不是太好所以跟部長建議一下這樣子的一個概念或許未來在整個的規劃過程當中可以找劇團跟找一些相關的人等來做多方面的考量\n所以不會說一件利益良好的事情那這個產生的結果有很多不同的負面論述這個是我的一個建議啦謝謝委員不過我特別要釐清一下限制性招標不是不公開招標限制性招標只是評選的招標方式啦所以第一是第二第二個這個案子的參與的規劃人員我想委員應該也有看到嘛他都是國內一級的\n主席執行長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.823 --> 00:01.144\n主席\n\n00:22.230 --> 00:22.690\n文化委員會主席\n\n00:41.317 --> 01:00.075\n我剛才在下面有個問題我想先釐清因為是前面幾個委員有問的但是好像我聽到的是不同的那個答案所以我先確認一下這一點剛才洪孟凱委員他有提到周楚除三害然後羅廷威委員也提到周楚除三害那部裡面這邊有沒有\n\n01:01.076 --> 01:03.036\n文策院有沒有給予他投資?\n\n01:28.513 --> 01:53.758\n我所瞭解文車院沒有進行投資好的,謝謝接下來我先幫地方請命一下我們這個2006年就已經公告為國定遺址的這個鳳鼻頭那截至目前為止好像它的這個用地徵收等等的一些後續的應該有的流程一直到建置博物館或文物館或展示廳不曉得目前的進度如何\n\n01:54.218 --> 02:10.238\n因為我想這個物價已經漸漸的偏高了所以當地方跟我們提起來說這樣子的一個數額聽起來是蠻高的比過去剛開始如果差不多在10幾年前去做一個處理那現在的那個成本已經變得非常高了\n\n02:11.792 --> 02:31.466\n跟委員報告一下這件事情我是不是讓文職局長回應一下我只要知道說目前目前整個進度我想高雄市政府他也提過的一些計畫上來那在審議會之前也有一些意見有回去請他們再研議上來那裡面還有一些像民地徵收的問題可能這些地方還要做一些處理\n\n02:33.943 --> 02:59.323\n請這個部分積極處理好不好因為就我所知從我們把人家框成國定移植而且很大一塊然後截至目前為止一直都沒有再往前進所以地方也非常著急那人的一生也不是太長我想委員應該很清楚啦就是我們都有處理過他其實關鍵核心的問題就是他的徵收費用非常的高啦對如果是十幾年前可能比現在就減了大概現在已經又增加了五倍所以十幾年前就非常高\n\n03:00.123 --> 03:04.027\n第三個部分是吳委員講到壯世代其實我蠻贊同這個概念的不管他在哪一個部分講我覺得都應該被強化那我這邊其實心裡也有一些對於這個部裡面在文化幣的這個部分在112年你們補助了你們發放了這個針對18到21歲的文化幣\n\n03:27.647 --> 03:45.062\n今年又要發放16至22歲我當然要幫壯世代講講話請問我們大概坐在這邊的大部分都跟這個年齡層應該是占的結構比例非常高文化部如何來處理今年是不是也給我們壯世代發禮金的這個問題\n\n03:48.223 --> 03:48.883\n是黑潮計畫吧\n\n04:18.206 --> 04:24.511\n你們沒有寫在黑潮計畫裡面你們談到了台流六個面向應該是黑潮的六個面向\n\n04:26.641 --> 04:54.047\n他其實就是影視與文化科技那出版嘛然後以及這個文化創意跟這個視覺藝術以及所以是項目就對了不是領域是不同的領域是六個領域是六個領域是好因為沒有寫嘛我不太確定是不是原住民可能沒列然後這個台語又有就是是六個領域不是那個吧是六個領域好好好那這個部分是不是可以給我那個比較更清楚的一個書面是\n\n04:55.567 --> 04:55.828\n二、處理或審查ESG\n\n05:06.315 --> 05:29.071\n大約分成幾個部分第一個是去年我們當然首次是跟金管會跟這個政交所是把ESG在文化上的這個項目是納入的評鑑跟計分啦所以我們是哪一些項目被納入評鑑跟計分只要是對文化有捐助或者是參與等等他基本上是在他的企業的ESG的總體報告裡面是可以被\n\n05:29.872 --> 05:33.535\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關文化部部長史哲列席報告業務：立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化部部長史哲列席報告業務：林倩綺\n\n05:54.251 --> 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