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00:03:00,465\n委員跟你報告一下我們今年我們這一次其實跟過去有點不太一樣因為有一些縣市其實因為經過這麼多年的這個推動現在慢慢有一些地方其實已經進入深水區所以它會越來難度會越來越高所以我們這一次不會像以前說每一年每一年就是給它一年的一個時間而已我們現在可能把它換到兩年\n\n8\n00:03:01,205 --> 00:03:05,609\n議員黃捷等16人擬具:「行人交通安全設施條例草案．則不予審查則不予審查\n\n9\n00:03:29,614 --> 00:03:51,099\n內政部加交通部起來20億在我們的工作項目裡面的經費的一覽表可能七項裡面可能是123前三項是全台爬輸了之後我們匡列的預算是最高的大概前三項加起來就370、380億左右可是對比我們今年度只有20億\n\n10\n00:03:52,259 --> 00:04:18,279\n所以你說第一年是最困難的那進入深水區要給地方政府時間那問題是地方政府現在到底他打算或是你們有沒有跟地方政府協調可以提出多少的這個工程計畫打算做到什麼樣的程度我簡單跟你報告一下因為第一年的時候他用不到那麼多錢所以他在預算上我們會把他這個框第一年\n\n11\n00:04:19,540 --> 00:04:20,261\n我擔心的是這個阿!\n\n12\n00:04:44,641 --> 00:05:03,278\n委員跟你報告,因為你這邊二行業是之前框的,我們現在實際上有增加,我請吳署長來做補充。跟委員報告,其實在這個狀況下,其實到目前為止地方政府還是非常踴躍提案,我跟委員報告大概已經要超過600件,所以經費應該是會,而且有……超過600件,我們台中市幾件?\n\n13\n00:05:09,353 --> 00:05:09,673\n委員黃捷等16人擬具\n\n14\n00:05:26,724 --> 00:05:40,200\n在六都裡面台中市是最多入口的六千多個入口那在入口裡面我們都說馬路如虎口那入口的這個交通號誌最重要可是呢我們台中市我這樣看了交通部的資料\n\n15\n00:05:41,445 --> 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02:07.219\n有期呢在我們現在已經3月要結束了那經費也匡列了400億400億我們分12344年來執行但是呢113年度就本年度呢事實上是比例少的比例是少的那而且呢我看到了入口型的安全設施改善我舉這個例子來講就好了那我們看到了\n\n02:08.191 --> 02:32.795\n只有8處也意思是說其實你從113年度來看6項計畫裡面你們打算要做的比例是偏低的所以我不知道為什麼而且我們預設了這8處比如說舉個例子預設了這個各縣市每年度施做改善分配不良之路口這個8處現在有決定是在哪裡了嗎有決定了嗎部長\n\n02:36.631 --> 03:00.465\n委員跟你報告一下我們今年我們這一次其實跟過去有點不太一樣因為有一些縣市其實因為經過這麼多年的這個推動現在慢慢有一些地方其實已經進入深水區所以它會越來難度會越來越高所以我們這一次不會像以前說每一年每一年就是給它一年的一個時間而已我們現在可能把它換到兩年\n\n03:01.205 --> 03:05.609\n議員黃捷等16人擬具:「行人交通安全設施條例草案．則不予審查則不予審查\n\n03:29.614 --> 03:51.099\n內政部加交通部起來20億在我們的工作項目裡面的經費的一覽表可能七項裡面可能是123前三項是全台爬輸了之後我們匡列的預算是最高的大概前三項加起來就370、380億左右可是對比我們今年度只有20億\n\n03:52.259 --> 04:18.279\n所以你說第一年是最困難的那進入深水區要給地方政府時間那問題是地方政府現在到底他打算或是你們有沒有跟地方政府協調可以提出多少的這個工程計畫打算做到什麼樣的程度我簡單跟你報告一下因為第一年的時候他用不到那麼多錢所以他在預算上我們會把他這個框第一年\n\n04:19.540 --> 04:20.261\n我擔心的是這個阿!\n\n04:44.641 --> 05:03.278\n委員跟你報告,因為你這邊二行業是之前框的,我們現在實際上有增加,我請吳署長來做補充。跟委員報告,其實在這個狀況下,其實到目前為止地方政府還是非常踴躍提案,我跟委員報告大概已經要超過600件,所以經費應該是會,而且有……超過600件,我們台中市幾件?\n\n05:09.353 --> 05:09.673\n委員黃捷等16人擬具\n\n05:26.724 --> 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