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00:02:47,034\n急需有要有一條分流的道路來解決目前這邊可能超過3萬名的基隆市民的上班通勤的交通問題而且最近這幾年您知道也有一些大型的社區將陸續完空我們這邊的人口將繼續的增加現在有的道路寬度是人眾不足的上下班尖峰時段時常嚴重塞車去年5月份也就是我們提出這個交通安全行動綱領的時候\n\n8\n00:02:48,695 --> 00:02:57,308\n基隆市中正區市議員也在基隆市議會諮詢時提出希望政府能夠重視在中興風階交通擁捨提出改善方案。\n\n9\n00:02:58,454 --> 00:03:19,040\n本席認為說以新豐街303巷的寬度與其說是巷倒不如說這是10米以上的道路本席建議在這個路段延長開闢林外道路至條河街效益上是可以直接真正分流讓用路人有多一個選擇讓避免在上班尖峰時間所有的車輛\n\n10\n00:03:20,140 --> 00:03:33,856\n都往這個唯一不用經過基隆市區道城交通更擁捨而可以直接上台62線快速道路的深溪路上面急。部長您現在已經升為天下第一大部的部長\n\n11\n00:03:35,011 --> 00:03:35,031\n〔廣告〕\n\n12\n00:03:51,667 --> 00:04:03,631\n巧婦吳敏男為吹希望您能在這個位置上面跟其他部會一起幫您曾經服務過的接融市中正區做出更大的貢獻促成另外一條新豐街聯外道路的建設請問\n\n13\n00:04:07,540 --> 00:04:33,948\n好兩個部分第一個是在我擔任金融市長的時候其實我們曾經討論過從海中天旁邊有一條其實那已經是都市計畫已經變更的一個計畫道路然後中央的預算也這個編列了然後也給地方支持但那個時候因為國民黨的議員反對甚至到市政府抗爭了所以那一條路本來要開闢也應該要開本來要開闢後來那一條就停掉了\n\n14\n00:04:37,989 --> 00:05:05,225\n第二是剛剛委員提到的新光街旁邊303巷那個可能要慎重因為303巷那個過去之後因為303巷本來是一個社區內的道路雖然它比較寬可是你把它變成是聯外的穿越性的道路的時候這個時候可能原本那個10米不塞但是以後它可能會衍生其他的問題那另外還有一個是我們\n\n15\n00:05:05,865 --> 00:05:26,856\n在過去曾經規劃了這個八旗的重劃區那個是一個公辦的一個私立重劃案那當時就有規劃一個更寬的一個道路來銜接新豐街那我們認為那是一個比較好的解決方法可以讓這個新豐街可以這個減輕它的一個壓力\n\n16\n00:05:28,637 --> 00:05:49,654\n這些案子全部都跟國土署有關係,所以本期是交通委員會的委員,理論上不應該在內政部上面提出交通關係的事情。但是這件事情對基隆市,尤其您剛剛都講得這麼清楚了,那請問如果是您現在的權限,您打算做些什麼事?我想這一部分比較重要的是在\n\n17\n00:05:50,875 --> 00:06:12,903\n市政府準備怎麼樣來解決這個地方的交通問題基本上來講我們會希望說基本上不是基隆市政府是基隆市民因為當我們現在還在這邊互相在這邊在講說誰的責任應該怎麼做的時候基隆市民明天早上還是會繼續塞車所以這3萬人而且您也知道3萬人會越來越多那針對這一點您現在已經貴為內政部部長\n\n18\n00:06:16,344 --> 00:06:16,604\n委員黃捷等16人擬具\n\n19\n00:06:35,638 --> 00:06:58,205\n包括自己的權限,尤其是您都完全知道這些案子的話,您更有資格主動去審。謝謝委員。不過因為中央地方政府有各自的一個權責,那你剛剛提到這個是涉及整個基隆市的一個規劃,現在這個權責在市政府、在市長,所以市長要下一個決心,他的方案到底是什麼,才有辦法跟中央來做進一步的一個討論。\n\n20\n00:07:02,637 --> 00:07:10,524\n有關這個案子的話,您認為是三三三項,如果怎麼樣去做,內政部可以比較快去達到這個另外道路的建制?\n\n21\n00:07:11,499 --> 00:07:16,343\n市政府的整體配套跟想法到底是什麼?所以如果市政府不判的話,內政部可以願意樂觀其成,願意負以相關責任嗎?\n\n22\n00:07:34,037 --> 00:07:48,434\n市政府要把方案拿出來才有辦法討論那你沒有辦法單談說303或是說要怎麼做要整體大的範圍去做思考那現在市政府連任何的想法或是方案都沒有這個沒有辦法討論\n\n23\n00:07:50,011 --> 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兩個部分第一個是在我擔任金融市長的時候其實我們曾經討論過從海中天旁邊有一條其實那已經是都市計畫已經變更的一個計畫道路然後中央的預算也這個編列了然後也給地方支持但那個時候因為國民黨的議員反對甚至到市政府抗爭了所以那一條路本來要開闢也應該要開本來要開闢後來那一條就停掉了\n277989\t305225\t第二是剛剛委員提到的新光街旁邊303巷那個可能要慎重因為303巷那個過去之後因為303巷本來是一個社區內的道路雖然它比較寬可是你把它變成是聯外的穿越性的道路的時候這個時候可能原本那個10米不塞但是以後它可能會衍生其他的問題那另外還有一個是我們\n305865\t326856\t在過去曾經規劃了這個八旗的重劃區 那個是一個公辦的一個私立重劃案 那當時就有規劃一個更寬的一個道路來銜接新豐街 那我們認為那是一個比較好的解決方法 可以讓這個新豐街可以這個減輕它的一個壓力\n328637\t349654\t這些案子全部都跟國土署有關係,所以本期是交通委員會的委員,理論上不應該在內政部上面提出交通關係的事情。但是這件事情對基隆市,尤其您剛剛都講得這麼清楚了,那請問如果是您現在的權限,您打算做些什麼事?我想這一部分比較重要的是在\n350875\t372903\t市政府準備怎麼樣來解決這個地方的交通問題基本上來講我們會希望說基本上不是基隆市政府是基隆市民因為當我們現在還在這邊互相在這邊在講說誰的責任應該怎麼做的時候基隆市民明天早上還是會繼續塞車所以這3萬人而且您也知道3萬人會越來越多那針對這一點您現在已經貴為內政部部長\n376344\t376604\t委員黃捷等16人擬具\n395638\t418205\t包括自己的權限,尤其是您都完全知道這些案子的話,您更有資格主動去審。謝謝委員。不過因為中央地方政府有各自的一個權責,那你剛剛提到這個是涉及整個基隆市的一個規劃,現在這個權責在市政府、在市長,所以市長要下一個決心,他的方案到底是什麼,才有辦法跟中央來做進一步的一個討論。\n422637\t430524\t有關這個案子的話,您認為是三三三項,如果怎麼樣去做,內政部可以比較快去達到這個另外道路的建制?\n431499\t436343\t市政府的整體配套跟想法到底是什麼?所以如果市政府不判的話,內政部可以願意樂觀其成,願意負以相關責任嗎?\n454037\t468434\t市政府要把方案拿出來才有辦法討論那你沒有辦法單談說303或是說要怎麼做要整體大的範圍去做思考那現在市政府連任何的想法或是方案都沒有這個沒有辦法討論\n470011\t496904\t好,如果未來說我這邊會有第二次質詢有關此方案,那我想說這時候我們再跟部長...是,如果委員會有人說市政府有具體的方案,不管是A案、B案、C案,還是任何的方案,才有一個討論的基礎,否則這個沒有辦法談。好,對,謝謝。對,要有清楚的想法,我想有清楚的想法我們很願意來做討論跟溝通。好,謝謝林沛祥委員的資訊。那我們下一位請楊從英委員資訊。\n","txt":"主席請林部長上台好請部長\n林部長好久不見林部長臺灣的都市規劃跟發展其實是相對辛苦而且畸形的因為從1950年代到今天我們的經濟是急速成長而且我們的生活水準也有很顯著的提升所以我們導致現在我們常看到所謂的人車征道其實無法保證我們行人的交通安全尤其是在一些早期開發而且的門口民人口相對密集的一些城市基隆\n台北、台南請問一下內政部在於針對這些老城市的交通安全工程設計上面請問具體的方向是什麼我想在一般的一個交通的一個設計規範上其實都有另外我們這一次提案特別是針對行人交通安全的設施的部分所以它會包括像比如說行人的這個穿越道或者說包括人行道引導的行人\n委員黃捷等16人擬具\n在於保護行人交通安全綜合我們都市計劃、綜合道路空間設計跟交通安全管理策略的前提之下,去年5月份已經通過了一個所謂的行人優先交通安全的行動綱領。而在其中,我能看到草案報告裡面的第3頁的第8項,道路狹窄無法人車分隔,行人空間界限不明,動線不連續。\n本席深意為然因為絕大多數基隆市的道路都有面臨這個困境尤其是我們知道基隆市中正區的新豐街地帶林部長您過去8年也在基隆市政府服務過那也應該深刻了解中正區新豐街是個高密度的住宅區目前全天行車是臃色的行人也是危險辛苦的而車流量非常的驚人\n急需有要有一條分流的道路來解決目前這邊可能超過3萬名的基隆市民的上班通勤的交通問題而且最近這幾年您知道也有一些大型的社區將陸續完空我們這邊的人口將繼續的增加現在有的道路寬度是人眾不足的上下班尖峰時段時常嚴重塞車去年5月份也就是我們提出這個交通安全行動綱領的時候\n基隆市中正區市議員也在基隆市議會諮詢時提出希望政府能夠重視在中興風階交通擁捨提出改善方案。\n本席認為說以新豐街303巷的寬度與其說是巷倒不如說這是10米以上的道路本席建議在這個路段延長開闢林外道路至條河街效益上是可以直接真正分流讓用路人有多一個選擇讓避免在上班尖峰時間所有的車輛\n都往這個唯一不用經過基隆市區道城交通更擁捨而可以直接上台62線快速道路的深溪路上面急。部長您現在已經升為天下第一大部的部長\n〔廣告〕\n巧婦吳敏男為吹希望您能在這個位置上面跟其他部會一起幫您曾經服務過的接融市中正區做出更大的貢獻促成另外一條新豐街聯外道路的建設請問\n好 兩個部分第一個是在我擔任金融市長的時候其實我們曾經討論過從海中天旁邊有一條其實那已經是都市計畫已經變更的一個計畫道路然後中央的預算也這個編列了然後也給地方支持但那個時候因為國民黨的議員反對甚至到市政府抗爭了所以那一條路本來要開闢也應該要開本來要開闢後來那一條就停掉了\n第二是剛剛委員提到的新光街旁邊303巷那個可能要慎重因為303巷那個過去之後因為303巷本來是一個社區內的道路雖然它比較寬可是你把它變成是聯外的穿越性的道路的時候這個時候可能原本那個10米不塞但是以後它可能會衍生其他的問題那另外還有一個是我們\n在過去曾經規劃了這個八旗的重劃區 那個是一個公辦的一個私立重劃案 那當時就有規劃一個更寬的一個道路來銜接新豐街 那我們認為那是一個比較好的解決方法 可以讓這個新豐街可以這個減輕它的一個壓力\n這些案子全部都跟國土署有關係,所以本期是交通委員會的委員,理論上不應該在內政部上面提出交通關係的事情。但是這件事情對基隆市,尤其您剛剛都講得這麼清楚了,那請問如果是您現在的權限,您打算做些什麼事?我想這一部分比較重要的是在\n市政府準備怎麼樣來解決這個地方的交通問題基本上來講我們會希望說基本上不是基隆市政府是基隆市民因為當我們現在還在這邊互相在這邊在講說誰的責任應該怎麼做的時候基隆市民明天早上還是會繼續塞車所以這3萬人而且您也知道3萬人會越來越多那針對這一點您現在已經貴為內政部部長\n委員黃捷等16人擬具\n包括自己的權限,尤其是您都完全知道這些案子的話,您更有資格主動去審。謝謝委員。不過因為中央地方政府有各自的一個權責,那你剛剛提到這個是涉及整個基隆市的一個規劃,現在這個權責在市政府、在市長,所以市長要下一個決心,他的方案到底是什麼,才有辦法跟中央來做進一步的一個討論。\n有關這個案子的話,您認為是三三三項,如果怎麼樣去做,內政部可以比較快去達到這個另外道路的建制?\n市政府的整體配套跟想法到底是什麼?所以如果市政府不判的話,內政部可以願意樂觀其成,願意負以相關責任嗎?\n市政府要把方案拿出來才有辦法討論那你沒有辦法單談說303或是說要怎麼做要整體大的範圍去做思考那現在市政府連任何的想法或是方案都沒有這個沒有辦法討論\n好,如果未來說我這邊會有第二次質詢有關此方案,那我想說這時候我們再跟部長...是,如果委員會有人說市政府有具體的方案,不管是A案、B案、C案,還是任何的方案,才有一個討論的基礎,否則這個沒有辦法談。好,對,謝謝。對,要有清楚的想法,我想有清楚的想法我們很願意來做討論跟溝通。好,謝謝林沛祥委員的資訊。那我們下一位請楊從英委員資訊。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.290 --> 00:04.680\n主席請林部長上台好請部長\n\n00:09.249 --> 00:38.459\n林部長好久不見林部長臺灣的都市規劃跟發展其實是相對辛苦而且畸形的因為從1950年代到今天我們的經濟是急速成長而且我們的生活水準也有很顯著的提升所以我們導致現在我們常看到所謂的人車征道其實無法保證我們行人的交通安全尤其是在一些早期開發而且的門口民人口相對密集的一些城市基隆\n\n00:39.099 --> 01:07.670\n台北、台南請問一下內政部在於針對這些老城市的交通安全工程設計上面請問具體的方向是什麼我想在一般的一個交通的一個設計規範上其實都有另外我們這一次提案特別是針對行人交通安全的設施的部分所以它會包括像比如說行人的這個穿越道或者說包括人行道引導的行人\n\n01:08.730 --> 01:09.831\n委員黃捷等16人擬具\n\n01:30.206 --> 01:50.760\n在於保護行人交通安全綜合我們都市計劃、綜合道路空間設計跟交通安全管理策略的前提之下,去年5月份已經通過了一個所謂的行人優先交通安全的行動綱領。而在其中,我能看到草案報告裡面的第3頁的第8項,道路狹窄無法人車分隔,行人空間界限不明,動線不連續。\n\n01:52.421 --> 02:18.398\n本席深意為然因為絕大多數基隆市的道路都有面臨這個困境尤其是我們知道基隆市中正區的新豐街地帶林部長您過去8年也在基隆市政府服務過那也應該深刻了解中正區新豐街是個高密度的住宅區目前全天行車是臃色的行人也是危險辛苦的而車流量非常的驚人\n\n02:19.218 --> 02:47.034\n急需有要有一條分流的道路來解決目前這邊可能超過3萬名的基隆市民的上班通勤的交通問題而且最近這幾年您知道也有一些大型的社區將陸續完空我們這邊的人口將繼續的增加現在有的道路寬度是人眾不足的上下班尖峰時段時常嚴重塞車去年5月份也就是我們提出這個交通安全行動綱領的時候\n\n02:48.695 --> 02:57.308\n基隆市中正區市議員也在基隆市議會諮詢時提出希望政府能夠重視在中興風階交通擁捨提出改善方案。\n\n02:58.454 --> 03:19.040\n本席認為說以新豐街303巷的寬度與其說是巷倒不如說這是10米以上的道路本席建議在這個路段延長開闢林外道路至條河街效益上是可以直接真正分流讓用路人有多一個選擇讓避免在上班尖峰時間所有的車輛\n\n03:20.140 --> 03:33.856\n都往這個唯一不用經過基隆市區道城交通更擁捨而可以直接上台62線快速道路的深溪路上面急。部長您現在已經升為天下第一大部的部長\n\n03:35.011 --> 03:35.031\n〔廣告〕\n\n03:51.667 --> 04:03.631\n巧婦吳敏男為吹希望您能在這個位置上面跟其他部會一起幫您曾經服務過的接融市中正區做出更大的貢獻促成另外一條新豐街聯外道路的建設請問\n\n04:07.540 --> 04:33.948\n好兩個部分第一個是在我擔任金融市長的時候其實我們曾經討論過從海中天旁邊有一條其實那已經是都市計畫已經變更的一個計畫道路然後中央的預算也這個編列了然後也給地方支持但那個時候因為國民黨的議員反對甚至到市政府抗爭了所以那一條路本來要開闢也應該要開本來要開闢後來那一條就停掉了\n\n04:37.989 --> 05:05.225\n第二是剛剛委員提到的新光街旁邊303巷那個可能要慎重因為303巷那個過去之後因為303巷本來是一個社區內的道路雖然它比較寬可是你把它變成是聯外的穿越性的道路的時候這個時候可能原本那個10米不塞但是以後它可能會衍生其他的問題那另外還有一個是我們\n\n05:05.865 --> 05:26.856\n在過去曾經規劃了這個八旗的重劃區那個是一個公辦的一個私立重劃案那當時就有規劃一個更寬的一個道路來銜接新豐街那我們認為那是一個比較好的解決方法可以讓這個新豐街可以這個減輕它的一個壓力\n\n05:28.637 --> 05:49.654\n這些案子全部都跟國土署有關係,所以本期是交通委員會的委員,理論上不應該在內政部上面提出交通關係的事情。但是這件事情對基隆市,尤其您剛剛都講得這麼清楚了,那請問如果是您現在的權限,您打算做些什麼事?我想這一部分比較重要的是在\n\n05:50.875 --> 06:12.903\n市政府準備怎麼樣來解決這個地方的交通問題基本上來講我們會希望說基本上不是基隆市政府是基隆市民因為當我們現在還在這邊互相在這邊在講說誰的責任應該怎麼做的時候基隆市民明天早上還是會繼續塞車所以這3萬人而且您也知道3萬人會越來越多那針對這一點您現在已經貴為內政部部長\n\n06:16.344 --> 06:16.604\n委員黃捷等16人擬具\n\n06:35.638 --> 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