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00:00:53,817\n上一次有一個新聞在院會的質詢我不曉得您有沒有注意到我有提到我們人行道的一些可能最主要是它有一個源頭就是為罪不舉發不祭典那我討論到人行道的部分那我想跟我們的部長確認一下我們在做人行道設施的改善的時候應該是給人走的不是給車停的嗎對吧\n\n4\n00:00:55,260 --> 00:00:58,781\n當初有提到說王部長有說有維廷那我們執法的力道不會減輕警察就會馬上來取締或是拖吊那這個可能就不是取締或拖吊就不是交通部的業務了可能對我們內政部有一些期許\n\n5\n00:01:19,389 --> 00:01:35,034\n那我不曉得我們部長對於如果說將來我們的行人設施有一些違規的行為的時候你會期待我們的警方在多久的時間以內去執行我們王國燦部長講的取締以及脫調你認為民眾檢舉多久以內應該要執行他說強度不會減少\n\n6\n00:01:43,212 --> 00:02:11,778\n我想我們警方其實這個都是經常性平常都在辦的工作也不會因為目前就是因為常常檢舉了之後過了一個小時兩個小時都沒看到人啊這車就走了啊那沒有我不是說內政部要要求警方幾分鐘內一定要抵達而是如果說今天您是一個陳情人部長您是陳情人您會希望你在檢舉相關的案件的時候多久時間以內你會看到警方來做執法你會期待你會期待\n\n7\n00:02:13,072 --> 00:02:13,532\n警方一定是權益執法\n\n8\n00:02:41,513 --> 00:03:07,973\n那沒關係回到條例本身啦我們第8點有提到我第8條有提到查有妨礙行人通行的固定設施啦那妨礙行人通行的固定設施是指一個固定的鉤紮物在可能行人的通行的空間上面那這個行人通行的空間是指我們公有的人行道還是也會提到我們第9條講的這個建築物的騎樓或者是無正義的人行道地面\n\n9\n00:03:09,022 --> 00:03:09,602\n委員黃捷等16人發言\n\n10\n00:03:25,260 --> 00:03:40,636\n如果說那到第9條那這些設施的構造物的存在如果說在法定之前就已經存在的會既往不就嗎還是會一致的這個不管時程啦是一致的處理原則不管它設置的時間好所以這個\n\n11\n00:03:43,618 --> 00:03:56,958\n法條很明確的就是規範到我們公有的人行空間以及私有建築物在可能圖面上面應該要公行人通行的無論是起樓或是無正義人行道都在我們的私用範圍內確定喔\n\n12\n00:04:00,718 --> 00:04:16,459\n確定喔因為我就有所知啦如果說這樣子去實行下去的話我個人會支持但是我們可能會遇到了蠻多的阻力那當然遇到阻力大家一起來推那我就確認法條的部分是不是包括私有建築物的開放空間裡面的這個物證業的情報是\n\n13\n00:04:18,421 --> 00:04:44,275\n委員我跟您報告第9條的部分你看到這個就是指的是我們這個路段統一修整之後重修那他如果統一修整之後他還有擅自改建然後不符合相關的一個標準或者妨礙行人通道等等我們是要求他在兩個月內改善對我就是標準指的第8條的行人通行是妨礙行人通行\n\n14\n00:04:46,089 --> 00:05:08,059\n在怎樣的情況下叫做我們法令適用的範圍其實那個妨礙行人通行的部分現在現況其實現有的相關的一個規定跟辦法其實就已經有在處理好所以就是妨礙行人通行確定就是不只我們公有的人行道包括私有建築物的在主要在圖館上面公眾通行公眾通行\n\n15\n00:05:09,059 --> 00:05:10,920\n議員黃捷等16人擬具:「行人交通安全設施條例草案．則不予審查則不予審查則不予審查\n\n16\n00:05:26,807 --> 00:05:46,803\n現在我們內政部有齊樓整平的專案嘛對不對就是補助地方政府那至於這個建築物的無遮掩人行到地面就是私有的無遮掩人行到地面我們內政部後續也會提出相關的補助辦法嗎跟委員報告就是說我們會讓地方政府提出來的時候就一併連這個都一起納進去\n\n17\n00:05:48,888 --> 00:06:12,546\n所以他整個路段的改善的時候就會有涵蓋這一些都可以一起納入所以就是我們地方政府提可能就不是你們是希望他不是局部一個點一個點一個社區一個社區而是整個路段整個路段然後然後我們內政部就會依據這個分攤比例的原則來做補助嗎對好那就是那如果說因為其實我很沒有辦法單就因為\n\n18\n00:06:13,507 --> 00:06:13,747\n議員黃捷等16人發言\n\n19\n00:06:35,286 --> 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是\n委員我跟您報告第9條的部分你看到這個就是指的是我們這個路段統一修整之後重修那他如果統一修整之後他還有擅自改建然後不符合相關的一個標準或者妨礙行人通道等等我們是要求他在兩個月內改善對我就是標準指的第8條的行人通行是妨礙行人通行\n在怎樣的情況下叫做我們法令適用的範圍其實那個妨礙行人通行的部分現在現況其實現有的相關的一個規定跟辦法其實就已經有在處理好所以就是妨礙行人通行確定就是不只我們公有的人行道包括私有建築物的在主要在圖館上面公眾通行公眾通行\n議員黃捷等16人擬具:「行人交通安全設施條例草案．則不予審查則不予審查則不予審查\n現在我們內政部有齊樓整平的專案嘛對不對就是補助地方政府那至於這個建築物的無遮掩人行到地面就是私有的無遮掩人行到地面我們內政部後續也會提出相關的補助辦法嗎跟委員報告就是說我們會讓地方政府提出來的時候就一併連這個都一起納進去\n所以他整個路段的改善的時候就會有涵蓋這一些都可以一起納入所以就是我們地方政府提可能就不是你們是希望他不是局部一個點一個點一個社區一個社區而是整個路段整個路段然後然後我們內政部就會依據這個分攤比例的原則來做補助嗎對好那就是那如果說因為其實我很沒有辦法單就因為\n議員黃捷等16人發言\n當然跟委員報告,當然這個就是回到他原來的規定,他如果並沒有提供的話當然我們也不會是強制要求,而是這個就要去控告。但是如果說所有權人的比如說管理委員會有同意的話,我們就自己可能依現況來看。\n這就是讓地方政府有一點溝通協調的時間這不是說一定當法規當你原來的圖說裡面並沒有強制的話那並沒有規定的話那當然就是尊重地方政府跟當事人所以地方政府願意那土地所詮願意那計畫送上來我們內政部不會因為他可能在建築上面的這個圖說的標示而不予補助吧不會不會苛責到這個地方嗎好那以上好謝謝今天的主持人到這邊謝謝好謝謝召委\n謝謝我們廖先翔委員的出席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:00.049\n主席\n\n00:19.327 --> 00:32.705\n委員好,部長好。其實我個人是非常支持有關這次行人交通安全設施條例草案的推動。我個人認為您比交通部長還適合來守護行人的安全。\n\n00:34.167 --> 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