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00:01:25,757\n是不是文化部這邊作為中央主政單位是不是也能夠針對這個案子去做加大補助力道來成全當初鄭副院長在桃園做市長的時候的這樣的規劃呢請部長回答一下好謝謝委員我想就在昨天嘛我們也很恭喜這個其中的兒童美術館的部分機構對兒童美術館已經好了嘛對對對那我們看了也都覺得說其實感覺都非常不錯\n\n5\n00:01:26,437 --> 00:01:42,287\n不過我要特別跟委員說明這個桃園美術館的補助是我們前瞻基礎建設的經費對前面有補一部分嘛對在當初的所有的各縣市補助當中桃園是補助金額最高的那同時因為它是補助所以我們事實上有定期工程的督導匯報\n\n6\n00:01:43,408 --> 00:02:00,314\n事實上也是到這一兩天桃園還正式提出有關於經費不足的問題所以有關於經費不足的細項跟實質的內容部分我現在在這裡很難回答你的原因是因為我事實上都還要看到更多的資料對我都還沒有看到但我想文化部應該會用一個開放的心態來處理這個事畢竟可以促進地方的文化氣息好不好\n\n7\n00:02:00,816 --> 00:02:26,155\n我想如果有經費的話我想我們都會支持文化建設的都會支持文化建設好不好這部分就希望文化部可以加大補助嘛因為好的規劃我們希望可以中央地方這不分黨派一起來成全我想這地方建設那當然我們會要求桃園市政府加速提供資料這個我們完全沒有問題這希望部長可以育成那第二件事情是跟一個文資有關我在你的報告裡面看到文資的保存一直是文化部非常重要的一個工作目標\n\n8\n00:02:26,815 --> 00:02:54,511\n那龜山本期的選區龜山有一個非常特別叫做張腦寮的磚窯場他被在文資調查之後他是認證是桃園唯一僅存的八卦窯有絕對的文資的意義那麼他所在位置的林口台地過去也曾經是磚窯的重鎮所以他不只有文資上的意義他也有城市記憶這樣子的一層意義在那特別的地方是這個磚窯場座落的地方剛好就在你可以看到圖上這個梯子路口的交口他剛好座落在計劃道路上\n\n9\n00:02:55,151 --> 00:02:57,033\n二、處理或審查新聞部長史哲列席報告業務概況．並備質詢。二、處理或審查新聞部長史哲列席報告業務解凍案。\n\n10\n00:03:13,510 --> 00:03:30,442\n對因為這個是歷史建築還是古蹟還是他是調查研究是什麼樣的狀況我們都還沒有看到我其實不一心意的對他現在已經是歷史建築了對我實際上我們了解清楚因為你的意思是說他擋在計畫道路上對就遇到這種政策兩難的時候又要開馬路又碰到文資你作為文化部長你覺得應該哪一個優先\n\n11\n00:03:34,840 --> 00:04:03,369\n這個恐怕不能這樣子當然是文資優先不是我這個沒有下套我沒有要害你的意思啦當然是文資優先你做文化部長對不對我們當然希望文資可以做保存嘛對不對那現在的問題是這樣這個東西幾經溝通啦後來他很有可能會變成一個很好的典範因為列了暫定古蹟啦現在這個地方簡單的一個時程表給這個部長做參考後來當初的最後大家商量討論的結果是道路用工程手段讓道\n\n12\n00:04:04,269 --> 00:04:25,702\n不管當初前朝有提出高價的版本現在市府就乾脆用地下維持住文資的版本中間開闢變成文資公園這個案子如果順利的成功它會是一個全國的典範也就是說這政府充分尊重了文資尊重了城市記憶也用工程的方式來達成了一個兩全其美的這樣子的一個結果\n\n13\n00:04:26,522 --> 00:04:42,420\n我現在就希望文化部長今天第一次聽到這個案例但我相信你回去做一下功課應該會覺得這案例是很有價值也很有意義的同樣這件事情跟我們美術館的題目一樣不分藍綠也不分黨派如果它是一個有積極意義的好的建設我希望中央在這中間有角色\n\n14\n00:04:43,061 --> 00:05:07,529\n也可能是預算的挹注也可能是中央的輔導未來園區的規劃設計甚至是建設修復的強力的支持我希望可以看到這個東西因為現在我們光是協調工程界面大家焦頭爛額但是都是為了那個未來可以達成雙贏的遠景大家在努力我們希望這樣的過程不要只是桃園市政府片面的努力我們也希望中央瞭解特別是文化部如果文資保存是大家重要的工作目標\n\n15\n00:05:08,169 --> 00:05:17,195\n如果可以合理的提撥資源降低這個工程的負擔我想這會是一個大家都看到樂於看到的局面是不是請文化部長待會去好好研究一下我們針對這事好好討論好嗎\n\n16\n00:05:18,254 --> 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謝謝我想初步這樣聽因為資料不是很清楚啦我當然非常同意就是第一個文資優先那工程手段來解決因為文資它不只是一個優先選擇而它也是一個資源的配置對它是一個資源的配置公園大家居民就會比較同意對不對對這個問題的回答我為什麼異常謹慎就是在這裡沒關係這個我尊重但是就因為今天第一次討論那後面就做一下研究我們針對這個個案來做研討我希望文化部有角色可以提供具體的資源一起來成就這件事好不好謝謝好部長辛苦了謝謝"},{"start":348.204,"end":348.385,"text":"麥玉珍委員"}]}}}}