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00:02:47,053\n那有沒有具體的一個方向可以在一年內或兩年內針對這個包括人行道上這種機車停放或是雜物有一個具體的一個目標\n\n9\n00:02:48,393 --> 00:02:48,593\n議員黃捷等16人擬具\n\n10\n00:03:12,485 --> 00:03:12,645\n韓國瑜委員\n\n11\n00:03:28,338 --> 00:03:47,575\n針對我們這個行人人行道的部分今天的主題是這個那要做具體改善的話我還是希望能夠提供給本席一個目前在這四年來講要針對這個雜物的部分包括這個機車佔用人行道的部分能夠有一個目標跟預計達成的我們再把計畫的具體內容再提供給委員參考\n\n12\n00:03:48,356 --> 00:04:05,655\n那同樣的就是我過去在當助理期間那時候在蔡錦榮委員辦公室當他的法案助理那時候看到許多伸張者他們走上街頭那因為這個無障礙設施那時候是沒有很普遍那所以到最後他們走上街頭那時候我寫了提案給蔡錦榮委員\n\n13\n00:04:06,495 --> 00:04:33,308\n還就在一個月之內那時候剛好就直接通過臨時提案到這一個月內把這個鐵火車站附近的無障礙設施做一個通盤檢討並且改善那本席也想要在現在重新再再跟您請教因為這已過了12年那現在在所謂的各個主要道路的幹道上是不是香港的那種無障礙的這種這種道路的這種人行道的設施都有達到一個比例嗎\n\n14\n00:04:35,046 --> 00:04:35,206\n韓國瑜委員\n\n15\n00:04:50,007 --> 00:05:14,952\n這個法案有一個很重要的目的就是要地方提長期的改善的計畫每年要做哪些地方最優先是什麼那我們就針對那樣的計畫下去補助下去管考所以說實際上會比較是全國一致有計畫性的全面來推動那今天這個法案就會朝這個方向來走當然我希望說在推動這個法案的過程中一定要有一些數據做一些做一些佐證\n\n16\n00:05:15,992 --> 00:05:43,813\n在做這個法案的推動上在執行的話才能夠有憑有據那同樣的本席因為這個我相信今天的這個條文我們後面會持續來去做審視那所以也希望說針對無障礙目前來講交通部內或是在這個整個聯席的相關部會這相關的目前的資料一樣送一份給本席那下一次我會持續追蹤在主要幹道或是主要設施目前的一個施作的概況那到時候我們再繼續來檢討\n\n17\n00:05:45,794 --> 00:06:07,583\n接著就是在交通部大安會公告的數據在2018年到2025年間12歲以下的兒童死亡加受傷高達46206名更有101名的兒童不幸死亡所以換算起來平均每天是有超過25位兒童因為交通事故受傷或死亡\n\n18\n00:06:08,163 --> 00:06:36,914\n那本席在這裡還是要提出這樣子的一個兒童交通事故受傷的一個嚴重程度是連監察院葉大法都已經在2022年提出報告那我也希望說在未來的這個法規的審視上能夠針對兒童的部分在教學教育的環境也能夠有更多的一個宣導因為在比照日本的一個經驗他其實在兒童學生他們在上學的時候就有進行這些相關的宣導那我希望這個部分能夠持續來去落實\n\n19\n00:06:39,850 --> 00:06:40,471\n國土署長\n\n20\n00:06:58,066 --> 00:07:19,387\n國路計畫法南投縣目前來講我們的態度是那時候在議會我們也通過就希望暫緩實施營地質疑那我想先請教一下署長在目前來講在目前要實施的部分有哪些縣市有一個明確的表態有遇到困境也希望表達暫緩\n\n21\n00:07:20,939 --> 00:07:20,959\n韓國瑜\n\n22\n00:07:44,296 --> 00:08:10,532\n我們知道的地方民意代表的意見也有很多類似因為太多的細節其實都還沒有被處理好對沒錯太多的細節還沒有被處理好所以地方的民意代表希望爭取多一點時間沒錯因為我坦白跟署長講在前一年的時候地方上面我們在很多的鄉鎮尤其在南投這種偏鄉大家在爭論的就是國土計畫法實施之後有些農民他們的土地到時候變成化為國寶\n\n23\n00:08:11,753 --> 00:08:12,073\n議員黃捷等16人擬具\n\n24\n00:08:41,793 --> 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