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00:01:24,396\n高雄市還蠻特別的你說如果要去推動整個市區的人行道或是騎樓平整來自地方我們大概都知道會遇到非常大的困難當然署長這邊我們可能以專區特定區的方式來推動甚至鼓勵縣市政府、地方政府來做這個推動敢做的地方政府我也不知道有幾個\n\n4\n00:01:25,436 --> 00:01:47,242\n但是重點是新的區域確實有機會例如高雄的某一些區域比如說商圈附近它確實有大量的行人使用的需求的話這是可以推動所以在未來的這個四年四百億裡面以及目前所在推動的住屋中心所在推動的社宅裡面\n\n5\n00:01:47,902 --> 00:02:09,793\n的機車停車位的數量目前他還是用現行的這個都市機都市現行的這個直轄市裡面的這些建築條例建築規則去設計那有沒有統計過或者是市長你知不知道高雄人平均一個人平均一戶有幾台摩托車\n\n6\n00:02:11,656 --> 00:02:12,016\n李柏毅議員\n\n7\n00:02:39,332 --> 00:02:58,226\n社會為了檢舉在檢舉這些騎樓或者是人行道上有機車違停的時候請問交通部請問內政部我們有沒有提供足量的機車停車格給這些機車的使用者來請交通部的次長來做一個回應\n\n8\n00:03:00,014 --> 00:03:24,983\n我想停車的問題是長期以來很大的問題所以交通部也有在推所謂的前瞻裡頭就有停車場的一個新建那剛才特別提到機車的問題那我的了解機車的問題隨著剛才講的不管是新的都市的開發或建案的一個新建漸漸都已經把它內化到這個大樓裡面了用這樣的方式來\n\n9\n00:03:26,303 --> 00:03:52,459\n謝謝市長,我剛剛也要跟這個花市長講的,確實還是不夠啦那所以在外面的這些機車就有可能會在我們人行道上他如果不是在馬路上,就有可能是在人行道上尤其高雄這個比較特別尤其署長,署長也來自臺南齁,臺南也是非常特別尤其是越古老的城市他越有這個特性尤其道路小,然後沒有地方停車就會造成人行道\n\n10\n00:03:53,019 --> 00:03:53,460\n李柏毅議員\n\n11\n00:04:14,575 --> 00:04:38,948\n問題是當地就有人說為什麼華夏路要轉到原道這一邊這一邊的就沒有做那這邊沒有做其實在地方政府最困難的原因是什麼是這一個人行道上在新莊一路人行道上他有大量的黑板樹大量的行道樹是使用黑板樹那這些黑板樹他串根的嚴重已經讓剛剛齊昌蔡其昌委員他有說\n\n12\n00:04:40,458 --> 00:05:01,973\n我們爸爸媽媽推這個嬰兒車大概沒有辦法推大概要過五關斬六將其實很多長輩要推長輩的輪椅也沒有辦法推到園道為什麼因為長輩們坐在輪椅上推到園道都亂了頭都暈了因為這個不平整所以我們也希望這個國土署這邊針對\n\n13\n00:05:05,095 --> 00:05:26,771\n當然地方政府這邊我們也會要求高雄市政府來做這些相關的爭取針對比如說要道援道的這一些人行道來做一些整理之外這一些行道數我們還是要努力的跟互助團體這邊來溝通適合做行道數或者是不適合做行道數要做一些檢討那也請這個吳署長\n\n14\n00:05:28,152 --> 00:05:49,005\n你針對這個臺南市以及高雄市目前的這個人行道普及率以及如果遇到剛所謂我們第8條裡面有明定有固定設施設備行道數算不算要不要來跟地方政府來做一個討論跟委員報告現在目前來講固定物大概最大的問題應該不是行道數\n\n15\n00:05:49,906 --> 00:05:54,152\n議員黃捷等16人擬具:「行人交通安全設施條例草案．則不予審查»:\n\n16\n00:06:05,049 --> 00:06:05,249\n議員黃捷等16人擬具\n\n17\n00:06:24,238 --> 00:06:49,653\n那行道署當場在中間兩邊各75公分請問怎麼通行這是不是障礙物這是不是要通亂才會說他是應該要可以被檢討去討論這件事情那還有比較細的部分當然這個我們跟地方政府在溝通的時候包含這些公法其實這幾年都有做一些調整越調整越省錢而且越好用目前我們營電署國土署跟高雄市政府配合的\n\n18\n00:06:50,453 --> 00:07:07,490\n指導的這個人行道的專案、方案我覺得非常好用那我們也希望江東市政府接下來去爭取到更多的這些人行道的這些設施的時候我們有四年四百億嘛但我認真覺得齁四年來檢討一次太久了\n\n19\n00:07:08,030 --> 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