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00:00:45,956\n委員好市長好那我們知道這個行人安全它不是交通的問題而已它等於是一個社會的問題那它需要政府企業社會團體還有每一個公民的共同參與那我今天想先提幾個問題針對交通部跟內政部包括標誌標線的設置標準那這個就是交通部的業務那跟中央地方權責跟預算分配還有民眾參與的部分那可能是內政部\n\n3\n00:00:46,696 --> 00:00:53,966\n首先針對設置標準。設置標準交通部何時可以完成中央版本的道路交通標誌標線設置標準?\n\n4\n00:00:56,056 --> 00:01:21,413\n我想跟委員報告我們有關道路交通標誌標線設置規則這一部分其實現在已經既有的就有了只是目前正在檢討修正對因為根據媒體報導就是要今年才要嚴定修正這個道路交通標誌標線的這個參考支援那2026年才會提出全國的統一標準這個時程是正確的嗎\n\n5\n00:01:25,615 --> 00:01:51,362\n我再跟委員做一個補充剛才委員特別提到的那個指引我先簡單的介紹一下我們道路交通標誌標線設置規則是已經既有的那個規則下去了以後呢因為各單位在實施上有時候會參考國外的這個案例有的是會在設置上有些不一致的地方所以呢我們在今年開始呢會請我們運營所來推動所謂設置參考指引的這樣一件工作\n\n6\n00:01:52,683 --> 00:02:05,396\n這個工作目前已經正在辦理招標然後我們後續會請運營所來邀請相關的單位共同來討論所以指引的這個部分應該是在2026年前會完成\n\n7\n00:02:06,770 --> 00:02:29,706\n應該是說這個指引會隨著這個每一年我們會就一直去檢討一直去檢討他有的機制裡頭會去做相關的一個檢討OK非常感謝因為地方政府他這個我們最近許多一些公聽會或者是一堆跟交通相關的交流會他們都談到說地方政府他們歸一的標準有些時候是不一致的\n\n8\n00:02:30,086 --> 00:02:30,106\n議員黃捷\n\n9\n00:02:45,383 --> 00:02:45,503\n內政部次長\n\n10\n00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:38,638\n主要要請教次長的部分因為每個縣市每一個鄉鎮對行人安全的需求還是有它的差異點那特別是都市化的鄉鎮還有或者山區的鄉鎮其實不太一樣你們可不可以簡單跟我們說一下你要怎麼樣確保預算資源能夠分配得以拿到最需要的地區會不會依照它的地形地貌或者是地區的特性做調整\n\n11\n00:03:39,739 --> 00:04:01,596\n我想這個部分本質上我們都已經入序盤點危險的道路或危險的路口這是第一個當然最優先要處理接下來是地方政府會依據他們自己的優先性來提報他們要來改善的區域或者哪一條道路的哪一個段落當然我們會來審查\n\n12\n00:04:04,798 --> 00:04:05,078\n議員黃捷等16人負責審查\n\n13\n00:04:15,424 --> 00:04:20,088\n委員黃捷等16人擬具:「行人交通安全設施條例草案．則不予審查則不予審查則不予審查\n\n14\n00:04:44,687 --> 00:05:09,468\n經費來去辦理有序提升行人安全計劃那4年後呢主要我們是想說為什麼不是依照這個每年的需求而是以這個4年做為這樣子的其實交通環境的改善還是需要長期的規劃和構想所以說我們要用一個4年的長期計劃讓地方政府來規劃一步步來而不是說今年有多少錢那我們在想今年這些錢要做哪裡那這樣的話不會\n\n15\n00:05:11,471 --> 00:05:39,686\n创造出一個整體改善的效果了解那在草案的條文第10條那我想可能今天也應該不只因為委員有提到他說中央每年考評地方政府的執行成效如果績效不佳要減劣預算額度那其實有不只因為委員提到說這可能是一個會造成惡性循環是不是能夠考慮地方自治法地方制度法的第72條規劃替代裁員的部分這個部分有沒有列入你們的考量\n\n16\n00:05:41,306 --> 00:06:04,077\n這個實質上內部也討論了幾次就當然我們希望地方要認真執行啦照計畫來然後預算下去他就認真執行那其實擔憂的是有些地方政府可能因為做這樣的工作就像做下水道一樣有時候就遇到民眾的反彈抗爭民意代表的一些自責等等那怕的就是地方政府遇到這些困難就退縮\n\n17\n00:06:05,397 --> 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