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00:02:01,041\n是的這個部分就是說還是需要這個全民的共識社會在這個地方有一些不同的看法那麼核安會其實是站在專業安全的角度技術的角度會嚴格的\n\n7\n00:02:01,861 --> 00:02:07,269\n當然我想剛才主委講了一個這全民的共識這非常符合這個賴信哲總統準總統在選舉的時候說不排除核電但是啪啦啪啦彈數一堆這樣子所以我想請教一下主委我想剛才我們幾位委員在講\n\n8\n00:02:17,422 --> 00:02:27,685\n核電這一題也是所有總統候選人的必考題所以我們看到在去年的總統候選人不管侯友宜、柯文哲他都支持明確的支持這個核電廠研議那當然賴清德總統當時有講到說他不排除只是附帶了很多的但書\n\n9\n00:02:33,607 --> 00:02:54,530\n但是不論如何可見我們核電廠的研議其實是大多數民眾的期盼所以您是這個核安的主管機關您有沒有開始著手來進行核電廠研議相關的修法的研擬那如果有是什麼時候520之前會提出來嗎或者是根本沒有做這樣的一個準備\n\n10\n00:02:56,448 --> 00:03:16,617\n技術層面的部分我們有在盤點但具體的修法我想我們沒有開始沒有開始對但是我知道或者我們有詳細的來看過我們幾位委員提出來的修法的版本那麼有做一些審視\n\n11\n00:03:19,718 --> 00:03:37,791\n主委我想兩點第一個您剛說我們自己的相關的修法演繹是完全沒有開始也就是沒有準備那您剛又說到說說法上不排除核電那但是要看有沒有全民最大的共識什麼的本席聽起來這個話我覺得非常的深刻因為\n\n12\n00:03:38,331 --> 00:03:38,391\n總統賴清德\n\n13\n00:03:56,896 --> 00:04:10,332\n我想我不是很清楚賴總統會做怎麼樣的決定但是核安會其實是站在自己專業角色的觀點來做自己份內工作的事情那份內工作最重要是什麼\n\n14\n00:04:11,769 --> 00:04:40,658\n安全核能安全輻射安全核廢料的安全緊急議題我想這些當然都是非常重要但是重視民意而且重視現在大家大多數民意所趨我想這個核安會這一點當然也是這一個最重要的一個課題所在當然我想本席這邊還要再跟你討論除了修法之外目前核一核二廠要研議還要面臨的就是很重要的是核子燃料池這個滿了以後呢爐心燃料沒有辦法移出的這個問題一直都在\n\n15\n00:04:41,318 --> 00:04:59,859\n但是這個甘氏儲存潮水土保持計劃的合定﹖原來要等待新北市政府跟臺電來協商﹖但是這一點非常重要﹖也非常久的時間了﹖所以主任有沒有掌握﹖到底臺電跟新北市政府﹖就合一合二場的甘氏儲存潮水土保持計劃﹖的協商進度現在到了哪裡﹖\n\n16\n00:05:01,735 --> 00:05:24,026\n現在雙方其實有一些卡關就是剛才委員提到的在最高行政法院那主要是牽扯到水土保持的部分二次變更設計新北市政府還沒有核准所以他沒辦法做這個測試這是核一廠核二廠的部分是水土保持部分開工展延\n\n17\n00:05:27,008 --> 00:05:46,444\n臺電輸了,完工展延新北市政府輸了,雙方亦贏亦輸,所以這個地方也卡住好,主委,那你有沒有掌握近期臺電跟新北市政府還要就核一廠的幹事署陳超相關水土保濕計畫要進行再一次協商,你有掌握嗎?我有聽說什麼時候?你有聽說而已喔?你聽誰說?\n\n18\n00:05:51,328 --> 00:06:10,097\n呃...不曉得是哪一個委員是...哎呦我的天啊這麼重要的事情你沒有掌握然後是在路邊聽說而且還不知道聽哪一個委員就是路過的時候說到的我覺得這很誇張欸這麼重要的事情啊你沒有好好掌握用聽說我覺得匪夷所思啊主委\n\n19\n00:06:11,117 --> 00:06:15,080\n這個畢竟是臺電跟西北市政府的兩兆雖然是臺電跟西北市政府要好好來協商找出一個共識但是我想您作為我們核安最重要的機關主委你沒有做這樣的掌握而去聽說這件事情其實本身不能接受\n\n20\n00:06:31,550 --> 00:06:32,571\n新北市政府跟台電要在4月1號要繼續來進行這個協商這個聽說\n\n21\n00:06:52,714 --> 00:06:52,754\n主席\n\n22\n00:07:04,704 --> 00:07:07,146\n韓川沸水提出日本福島第一核電廠今年2月28日至3月17日執行第4批韓川核沸水排放作業整個排放體積7794公噸,穿總活度約1.4兆貝克\n\n23\n00:07:34,844 --> 00:07:35,104\n你覺得說法是對的嗎?\n\n24\n00:07:52,033 --> 00:08:17,378\n我們都有在即時監測海域的監測點監測是一件事但是因為您這樣的說法是想要替日本來背書說這個寒川廢水排出來到現在為止安全上都沒有問題嗎不是背書我們是就實驗實際測的跟國際相關的比較跟日本相關的data來做比較那麼我們其實是跨部會的一個計畫\n\n25\n00:08:18,678 --> 00:08:25,083\n臺灣針對進口的日本食品的輻射檢測全台有7座實驗室一年可以檢測高達7萬多件但是我們對於生物穿檢測的量能一年只有500件跟食品輻射檢測相差有140倍\n\n26\n00:08:42,575 --> 00:09:07,367\n那我覺得這個差距太大了這一樣都是這個相關的安全那現在這個核安衛對於這個檢測量能有沒有一個提升的計畫我覺得這非常重要您能不能說明一下好那個跟委員報告去年9月27行政院有一個量能的提升計畫生物川那麼大概5000萬那麼他是要把這個實驗室從一家變成三家然後每年500件變成2000件那現在其實\n\n27\n00:09:11,109 --> 00:09:36,624\n已經到這個已經建置實驗室已經建置差不多完了所以有準備要提升嗎不過我們從數字看來即便我們提升到2000件跟剛剛本席所說的進口食品的相關輻射檢測還是差了35倍我們希望第一個增量能夠繼續提升同時之前本席有問過關於我們這個排放的這個寒川廢水當中其實還有各種放射性物質碳14.129在過去我們沒有這個檢測的這個相關的能力\n\n28\n00:09:41,167 --> 00:09:56,870\n那當時其實核安會這個輻射偵測中心主任徐明德好像已經換人了嘛那有說到說碳14跟點129其實我們是需要建立這個能力的所以正在建立中能不能請問一下主委那到現在我們建立的狀況如何了\n\n29\n00:09:57,310 --> 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經濟部來做評估\n58775\t59395\t李慧琼議員\n79810\t102342\t河安會在今年1月23日的新聞稿有表示說國家政策如果確定了而且修法了河安會會本於專業跟職責來進行審查那在符合法規跟安全要求之下基礎就可以延益運轉我想請教一下主委你這個意思是不是說只要完成核電廠的延益修法那河安會完成審查以後我們提議的核電廠就會重啟是嗎\n105496\t121041\t是的這個部分就是說還是需要這個全民的共識社會在這個地方有一些不同的看法那麼核安會其實是站在專業安全的角度技術的角度會嚴格的\n121861\t127269\t當然我想剛才主委講了一個這全民的共識這非常符合這個賴信哲總統準總統在選舉的時候說不排除核電但是啪啦啪啦彈數一堆這樣子所以我想請教一下主委我想剛才我們幾位委員在講\n137422\t147685\t核電這一題也是所有總統候選人的必考題所以我們看到在去年的總統候選人不管侯友宜、柯文哲他都支持明確的支持這個核電廠研議那當然賴清德總統當時有講到說他不排除只是附帶了很多的但書\n153607\t174530\t但是不論如何可見我們核電廠的研議其實是大多數民眾的期盼所以您是這個核安的主管機關您有沒有開始著手來進行核電廠研議相關的修法的研擬那如果有是什麼時候520之前會提出來嗎或者是根本沒有做這樣的一個準備\n176448\t196617\t技術層面的部分我們有在盤點但具體的修法我想我們沒有開始沒有開始對但是我知道或者我們有詳細的來看過我們幾位委員提出來的修法的版本那麼有做一些審視\n199718\t217791\t主委我想兩點第一個您剛說我們自己的相關的修法演繹是完全沒有開始也就是沒有準備那您剛又說到說說法上不排除核電那但是要看有沒有全民最大的共識什麼的本席聽起來這個話我覺得非常的深刻因為\n218331\t218391\t總統賴清德\n236896\t250332\t我想我不是很清楚賴總統會做怎麼樣的決定但是核安會其實是站在自己專業角色的觀點來做自己份內工作的事情那份內工作最重要是什麼\n251769\t280658\t安全 核能安全 輻射安全 核廢料的安全緊急議題我想這些當然都是非常重要但是重視民意而且重視現在大家大多數民意所趨我想這個核安會這一點當然也是這一個最重要的一個課題所在當然我想本席這邊還要再跟你討論除了修法之外目前核一核二廠要研議還要面臨的就是很重要的是核子燃料池這個滿了以後呢爐心燃料沒有辦法移出的這個問題一直都在\n281318\t299859\t但是這個甘氏儲存潮水土保持計劃的合定﹖原來要等待新北市政府跟臺電來協商﹖但是這一點非常重要﹖也非常久的時間了﹖所以主任有沒有掌握﹖到底臺電跟新北市政府﹖就合一合二場的甘氏儲存潮水土保持計劃﹖的協商進度現在到了哪裡﹖\n301735\t324026\t現在雙方其實有一些卡關就是剛才委員提到的在最高行政法院那主要是牽扯到水土保持的部分二次變更設計新北市政府還沒有核准所以他沒辦法做這個測試這是核一廠核二廠的部分是水土保持部分開工展延\n327008\t346444\t臺電輸了,完工展延新北市政府輸了,雙方亦贏亦輸,所以這個地方也卡住好,主委,那你有沒有掌握近期臺電跟新北市政府還要就核一廠的幹事署陳超相關水土保濕計畫要進行再一次協商,你有掌握嗎?我有聽說什麼時候?你有聽說而已喔?你聽誰說?\n351328\t370097\t呃...不曉得是哪一個委員是...哎呦我的天啊這麼重要的事情你沒有掌握然後是在路邊聽說而且還不知道聽哪一個委員就是路過的時候說到的我覺得這很誇張欸這麼重要的事情啊你沒有好好掌握用聽說我覺得匪夷所思啊 主委\n371117\t375080\t這個畢竟是臺電跟西北市政府的兩兆雖然是臺電跟西北市政府要好好來協商找出一個共識但是我想您作為我們核安最重要的機關主委你沒有做這樣的掌握而去聽說這件事情其實本身不能接受\n391550\t392571\t新北市政府跟台電要在4月1號要繼續來進行這個協商這個聽說\n412714\t412754\t主席\n424704\t427146\t韓川沸水提出日本福島第一核電廠今年2月28日至3月17日執行第4批韓川核沸水排放作業整個排放體積7794公噸,穿總活度約1.4兆貝克\n454844\t455104\t你覺得說法是對的嗎?\n472033\t497378\t我們都有在即時監測海域的監測點監測是一件事但是因為您這樣的說法是想要替日本來背書說這個寒川廢水排出來到現在為止安全上都沒有問題嗎不是背書我們是就實驗實際測的跟國際相關的比較跟日本相關的data來做比較那麼我們其實是跨部會的一個計畫\n498678\t505083\t臺灣針對進口的日本食品的輻射檢測全台有7座實驗室一年可以檢測高達7萬多件但是我們對於生物穿檢測的量能一年只有500件跟食品輻射檢測相差有140倍\n522575\t547367\t那我覺得這個差距太大了這一樣都是這個相關的安全那現在這個核安衛對於這個檢測量能有沒有一個提升的計畫我覺得這非常重要您能不能說明一下好那個跟委員報告去年9月27行政院有一個量能的提升計畫生物川那麼大概5000萬那麼他是要把這個實驗室從一家變成三家然後每年500件變成2000件那現在其實\n551109\t576624\t已經到這個已經建置實驗室已經建置差不多完了所以有準備要提升嗎不過我們從數字看來即便我們提升到2000件跟剛剛本席所說的進口食品的相關輻射檢測還是差了35倍我們希望第一個增量能夠繼續提升同時之前本席有問過關於我們這個排放的這個寒川廢水當中其實還有各種放射性物質碳14.129在過去我們沒有這個檢測的這個相關的能力\n581167\t596870\t那當時其實核安會這個輻射偵測中心主任徐明德好像已經換人了嘛那有說到說碳14跟點129其實我們是需要建立這個能力的所以正在建立中能不能請問一下主委那到現在我們建立的狀況如何了\n597310\t623929\t我們現在有一個新的智慧檢測計劃是一個科技計劃今年在輻射偵測中心就是on schedule在進行113年開始113年好那我想我們剛剛提到我希望我們相關的檢測量還有檢測的這個技術我們都要再提升那否則會跟不上大家對於食安相關的擔憂所以靜婷希望主委能夠再加強加油好嗎謝謝\n627162\t627792\t主席\n","txt":"陳東陽主委\n王委員早早看起來現在講話速度有稍微加快一點點了好來我想我們看到經濟部的王美花部長在今年2月5號她受訪的時候有說經濟部面對新國會跟新民意一定會做好研議相關的準備核電廠研議相關準備那對於立法院會提出這個研議的修法怎麼樣周延去修法還有安全相關的課題這個核電廠如果要研議不管在修法或核安會的審核經濟部跟台電都會配合\n核電廠是否能研議：主要還是能源機關 經濟部來做評估\n李慧琼議員\n河安會在今年1月23日的新聞稿有表示說國家政策如果確定了而且修法了河安會會本於專業跟職責來進行審查那在符合法規跟安全要求之下基礎就可以延益運轉我想請教一下主委你這個意思是不是說只要完成核電廠的延益修法那河安會完成審查以後我們提議的核電廠就會重啟是嗎\n是的這個部分就是說還是需要這個全民的共識社會在這個地方有一些不同的看法那麼核安會其實是站在專業安全的角度技術的角度會嚴格的\n當然我想剛才主委講了一個這全民的共識這非常符合這個賴信哲總統準總統在選舉的時候說不排除核電但是啪啦啪啦彈數一堆這樣子所以我想請教一下主委我想剛才我們幾位委員在講\n核電這一題也是所有總統候選人的必考題所以我們看到在去年的總統候選人不管侯友宜、柯文哲他都支持明確的支持這個核電廠研議那當然賴清德總統當時有講到說他不排除只是附帶了很多的但書\n但是不論如何可見我們核電廠的研議其實是大多數民眾的期盼所以您是這個核安的主管機關您有沒有開始著手來進行核電廠研議相關的修法的研擬那如果有是什麼時候520之前會提出來嗎或者是根本沒有做這樣的一個準備\n技術層面的部分我們有在盤點但具體的修法我想我們沒有開始沒有開始對但是我知道或者我們有詳細的來看過我們幾位委員提出來的修法的版本那麼有做一些審視\n主委我想兩點第一個您剛說我們自己的相關的修法演繹是完全沒有開始也就是沒有準備那您剛又說到說說法上不排除核電那但是要看有沒有全民最大的共識什麼的本席聽起來這個話我覺得非常的深刻因為\n總統賴清德\n我想我不是很清楚賴總統會做怎麼樣的決定但是核安會其實是站在自己專業角色的觀點來做自己份內工作的事情那份內工作最重要是什麼\n安全 核能安全 輻射安全 核廢料的安全緊急議題我想這些當然都是非常重要但是重視民意而且重視現在大家大多數民意所趨我想這個核安會這一點當然也是這一個最重要的一個課題所在當然我想本席這邊還要再跟你討論除了修法之外目前核一核二廠要研議還要面臨的就是很重要的是核子燃料池這個滿了以後呢爐心燃料沒有辦法移出的這個問題一直都在\n但是這個甘氏儲存潮水土保持計劃的合定﹖原來要等待新北市政府跟臺電來協商﹖但是這一點非常重要﹖也非常久的時間了﹖所以主任有沒有掌握﹖到底臺電跟新北市政府﹖就合一合二場的甘氏儲存潮水土保持計劃﹖的協商進度現在到了哪裡﹖\n現在雙方其實有一些卡關就是剛才委員提到的在最高行政法院那主要是牽扯到水土保持的部分二次變更設計新北市政府還沒有核准所以他沒辦法做這個測試這是核一廠核二廠的部分是水土保持部分開工展延\n臺電輸了,完工展延新北市政府輸了,雙方亦贏亦輸,所以這個地方也卡住好,主委,那你有沒有掌握近期臺電跟新北市政府還要就核一廠的幹事署陳超相關水土保濕計畫要進行再一次協商,你有掌握嗎?我有聽說什麼時候?你有聽說而已喔?你聽誰說?\n呃...不曉得是哪一個委員是...哎呦我的天啊這麼重要的事情你沒有掌握然後是在路邊聽說而且還不知道聽哪一個委員就是路過的時候說到的我覺得這很誇張欸這麼重要的事情啊你沒有好好掌握用聽說我覺得匪夷所思啊 主委\n這個畢竟是臺電跟西北市政府的兩兆雖然是臺電跟西北市政府要好好來協商找出一個共識但是我想您作為我們核安最重要的機關主委你沒有做這樣的掌握而去聽說這件事情其實本身不能接受\n新北市政府跟台電要在4月1號要繼續來進行這個協商這個聽說\n主席\n韓川沸水提出日本福島第一核電廠今年2月28日至3月17日執行第4批韓川核沸水排放作業整個排放體積7794公噸,穿總活度約1.4兆貝克\n你覺得說法是對的嗎?\n我們都有在即時監測海域的監測點監測是一件事但是因為您這樣的說法是想要替日本來背書說這個寒川廢水排出來到現在為止安全上都沒有問題嗎不是背書我們是就實驗實際測的跟國際相關的比較跟日本相關的data來做比較那麼我們其實是跨部會的一個計畫\n臺灣針對進口的日本食品的輻射檢測全台有7座實驗室一年可以檢測高達7萬多件但是我們對於生物穿檢測的量能一年只有500件跟食品輻射檢測相差有140倍\n那我覺得這個差距太大了這一樣都是這個相關的安全那現在這個核安衛對於這個檢測量能有沒有一個提升的計畫我覺得這非常重要您能不能說明一下好那個跟委員報告去年9月27行政院有一個量能的提升計畫生物川那麼大概5000萬那麼他是要把這個實驗室從一家變成三家然後每年500件變成2000件那現在其實\n已經到這個已經建置實驗室已經建置差不多完了所以有準備要提升嗎不過我們從數字看來即便我們提升到2000件跟剛剛本席所說的進口食品的相關輻射檢測還是差了35倍我們希望第一個增量能夠繼續提升同時之前本席有問過關於我們這個排放的這個寒川廢水當中其實還有各種放射性物質碳14.129在過去我們沒有這個檢測的這個相關的能力\n那當時其實核安會這個輻射偵測中心主任徐明德好像已經換人了嘛那有說到說碳14跟點129其實我們是需要建立這個能力的所以正在建立中能不能請問一下主委那到現在我們建立的狀況如何了\n我們現在有一個新的智慧檢測計劃是一個科技計劃今年在輻射偵測中心就是on schedule在進行113年開始113年好那我想我們剛剛提到我希望我們相關的檢測量還有檢測的這個技術我們都要再提升那否則會跟不上大家對於食安相關的擔憂所以靜婷希望主委能夠再加強加油好嗎謝謝\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.017 --> 00:05.318\n陳東陽主委\n\n00:13.189 --> 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schedule在進行113年開始113年好那我想我們剛剛提到我希望我們相關的檢測量還有檢測的這個技術我們都要再提升那否則會跟不上大家對於食安相關的擔憂所以靜婷希望主委能夠再加強加油好嗎謝謝"},{"start":627.162,"end":627.792,"text":"主席"}]}}}}