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00:01:43,904\n行政院為了確保我國核能輻射及放射性物料安全特設核能安全委員會為相當中央三級獨立機關我們對於核安會的期待就是要為民眾來確保核能的安全短短的核能安全嗎的問題您可以回答非常長的時間我們完全給你足夠的時間\n\n5\n00:01:45,584 --> 00:01:51,870\n那我再問另外一個問題您認為對台灣的現況來說核能是一個安全的能源選項嗎?再一次來講所以這個也不是一個很簡單的一個yesandno的問題我想葛委員也清楚我大概在講什麼\n\n6\n00:02:10,707 --> 00:02:16,510\n所以我們以後叫您薛丁格主委可以嗎我想絕對不是這樣的嘛那這樣您來這裡備詢做什麼的嗎我們問這麼基本的問題都不是yesandno那我們幹嘛要設置那請問您覺得應該要設置核能安全委員會嗎\n\n7\n00:02:29,860 --> 00:02:32,703\n臺灣已除役的核電廠,正在運轉的核電廠以及以前現在所產生的核廢料是否都能夠安全地被處置?\n\n8\n00:02:50,287 --> 00:03:10,790\n我跟委員報告是否能夠安全的被處置是的是嗎是嗎可以嗎是的可以安全的被處置嗎可不可以讓我講一下是日本也有這個核能安全可不可以安全的被處置我剛剛都有聽您的質詢我聽過了是的可以被安全肯定可以保證\n\n9\n00:03:12,432 --> 00:03:12,752\n目前是肯定的\n\n10\n00:03:31,138 --> 00:03:44,202\n所以我們真的認為無論是科學或科技雖然運用上都有一體兩面的問題但本身是中立的社會主管機關我想真的更應該要站在排除意識形態中立客觀的基礎上幫助民眾瞭解正確的資訊而且近年來國際上還持續有國家興建核電廠\n\n11\n00:03:49,804 --> 00:04:04,173\n相信對各國來說核能的選擇必然是建立在安全的基礎之上我們期待核安會能夠讓民眾對於核能安全更有信心可以嗎所以您剛剛已經回答肯定所以我在這邊邀請主委跟我一起呼喊上面的文字好不好\n\n12\n00:04:07,815 --> 00:04:13,177\n321核能是安全的能源核安會會為國人確保核能安全321核能\n\n13\n00:04:26,363 --> 00:04:49,221\n我們可以慢一點會為國人來確保核能安全這句話是對的所以核能是安全您剛剛肯定啊核能是安全的能源這個其實有很多的但書的核能可以被確保是安全的能源這是你們的組織上面講的好不好那我們就改一下核能可以被確保是安全的能源我們先喊第一句就好了好嗎好321\n\n14\n00:04:51,075 --> 00:04:56,197\n核能可以被確保核能安全謝謝為什麼因為您如果真的在答詢上面有所猶豫或者連喊出這樣一句話說核能可以被確保是安全的人員都有所猶豫的話我想這張圖就有點尷尬了\n\n15\n00:05:19,528 --> 00:05:43,681\n我們所有的人排排站說接日的核能安全委員會但您好像有所懷疑抱持了很多的但書跟條件我們以後要不要乾脆改名我想這樣子真的不是我們想要看到的主委或者如果你沒有努力做的話那我覺得這幾乎我覺得真的是非常非常危險那我們真的是想要來跟主委分享這個國際真的是仍然擁抱核電核電廠安全廚藝的這個問題\n\n16\n00:05:48,283 --> 00:06:07,791\n芬蘭在2023年啟用新的核電廠．比爾蓋茲也是維爾蘭創辦人近日宣布．6月起將在美國建第一座新世代核電廠這個印尼也有新的計畫想請教一下你應該也都認為這些國家的政府也都會確保核能安全吧是嗎是的\n\n17\n00:06:10,190 --> 00:06:26,642\n核能作為穩定發電、零碳排的特性,Amazon也開始要購買核電。我想接下來核能一定還是一個選項,SMR核融合的技術也應該都有很多的效益,因為它畢竟還是目前發電成本來說最低的。\n\n18\n00:06:27,623 --> 00:06:45,978\n我想接下來我們還是希望能夠看到我們電價調整對於核電廠停止運轉年限基本上是107年底逐步除役以後電價看起來有點逐步調漲的感覺核一廠、核二廠的除役是因為基礎安全的問題嗎?其實我們都很清楚核電廠並不是因為安全的疑慮才除役只是因為年限到了\n\n19\n00:06:54,565 --> 00:07:02,802\n在核安會的把關之下我們的核電廠廚藝研議是不是其實只差在修法呢?這個是不是可以請主委回應一下?\n\n20\n00:07:03,983 --> 00:07:28,512\n是的這個部分就是已經過了40年的年限那麼如果要研議他必須在屆期前5年到15年提出這個執照的延續那這個期限也過了所以謝謝您認同這個不是安全基礎的問題其實是因為年限的問題那我想民眾真的很擔憂物價的變動希望政府可以苦民所苦\n\n21\n00:07:29,292 --> 00:07:47,419\n那我想最後因為時間的關係我想跟您分享一下這個最近賴清德準總統與半導體對談的時候提出了他擁抱核電的而不是他本人是業者說提出了對我們的準總統提出了擁抱核電的想法主委怎麼看待產業的聲音你會給準總統什麼樣的政策建議產業的說法可行嗎\n\n22\n00:07:52,142 --> 00:07:52,742\n好謝謝我想最後啦\n\n23\n00:08:15,470 --> 00:08:39,802\n我們剛剛已經提過了科技是理性也是中立的我們無論如何要一起來確保所以核廢料的這個做法處理應該也非常的重要我們在廚藝的過程裡面也一定要來了解核廢料的儲存還有存放那我想要問一下主委有沒有看過這種深層掩埋的方式有沒有研究過是的有看過有看過報告我們有沒有機會採用\n\n24\n00:08:45,397 --> 00:09:11,003\n這是目前全球永久處置的幾乎是一致共事喔!芬蘭、瑞典喔!你們之前也去考察過103年喔!是!是!那個我們現在的問題其實還在……我們有沒有在評估?有在評估,但是我們還在選址的階段最終處置場還在選址的階段我們大概有5個階段我們現在是第二個10年大概是在這個選址的階段\n\n25\n00:09:11,363 --> 00:09:24,454\n好謝謝我想無論廚藝也好研議也好使用過的核子燃料核廢料始終都是要正面的面對況且核安會雖然是三級機關但卻是直接對行政院長負責的獨立機關我們期待核安會要協助持續來幫忙臺電和地方政府的溝通讓室內儲存廠能夠盡快的規劃建置室外儲存廠能夠盡快啟用\n\n26\n00:09:36,483 --> 00:09:53,082\n同時也來加速評估這個永久存放的這個機制不能10年再10年一路的拖延下去此外核安會作為原子能相關法規的主管機關作為把關核能安全的主管機關真的是應該要多加協助臺電和民眾之間的社會溝通\n\n27\n00:09:53,763 --> 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no那我們幹嘛要設置那請問您覺得應該要設置核能安全委員會嗎\n臺灣已除役的核電廠,正在運轉的核電廠以及以前現在所產生的核廢料是否都能夠安全地被處置?\n我跟委員報告是否能夠安全的被處置是的是嗎是嗎可以嗎是的可以安全的被處置嗎可不可以讓我講一下是日本也有這個核能安全可不可以安全的被處置我剛剛都有聽您的質詢我聽過了是的可以被安全肯定可以保證\n目前是肯定的\n所以我們真的認為無論是科學或科技雖然運用上都有一體兩面的問題但本身是中立的社會主管機關我想真的更應該要站在排除意識形態中立客觀的基礎上幫助民眾瞭解正確的資訊而且近年來國際上還持續有國家興建核電廠\n相信對各國來說核能的選擇必然是建立在安全的基礎之上我們期待核安會能夠讓民眾對於核能安全更有信心可以嗎所以您剛剛已經回答肯定所以我在這邊邀請主委跟我一起呼喊上面的文字好不好\n321核能是安全的能源核安會會為國人確保核能安全321核能\n我們可以慢一點會為國人來確保核能安全這句話是對的所以核能是安全您剛剛肯定啊核能是安全的能源這個其實有很多的但書的核能可以被確保是安全的能源這是你們的組織上面講的好不好那我們就改一下核能可以被確保是安全的能源我們先喊第一句就好了好嗎好321\n核能可以被確保核能安全謝謝 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這個部分就是已經過了40年的年限那麼如果要研議他必須在屆期前5年到15年提出這個執照的延續那這個期限也過了所以謝謝您認同這個不是安全基礎的問題其實是因為年限的問題那我想民眾真的很擔憂物價的變動希望政府可以苦民所苦"},{"start":449.292,"end":467.419,"text":"那我想最後因為時間的關係我想跟您分享一下這個最近賴清德準總統與半導體對談的時候提出了他擁抱核電的而不是他本人是業者說提出了對我們的準總統提出了擁抱核電的想法主委怎麼看待產業的聲音你會給準總統什麼樣的政策建議產業的說法可行嗎"},{"start":472.142,"end":472.742,"text":"好 謝謝我想最後啦"},{"start":495.47,"end":519.802,"text":"我們剛剛已經提過了科技是理性也是中立的我們無論如何要一起來確保所以核廢料的這個做法處理應該也非常的重要我們在廚藝的過程裡面也一定要來了解核廢料的儲存還有存放那我想要問一下主委有沒有看過這種深層掩埋的方式有沒有研究過是的有看過有看過報告我們有沒有機會採用"},{"start":525.397,"end":551.003,"text":"這是目前全球永久處置的幾乎是一致共事喔!芬蘭、瑞典喔!你們之前也去考察過103年喔!是!是!那個我們現在的問題其實還在……我們有沒有在評估?有在評估,但是我們還在選址的階段最終處置場還在選址的階段我們大概有5個階段我們現在是第二個10年大概是在這個選址的階段"},{"start":551.363,"end":564.454,"text":"好謝謝我想無論廚藝也好研議也好使用過的核子燃料核廢料始終都是要正面的面對況且核安會雖然是三級機關但卻是直接對行政院長負責的獨立機關我們期待核安會要協助持續來幫忙臺電和地方政府的溝通讓室內儲存廠能夠盡快的規劃建置室外儲存廠能夠盡快啟用"},{"start":576.483,"end":593.082,"text":"同時也來加速評估這個永久存放的這個機制不能10年再10年一路的拖延下去此外核安會作為原子能相關法規的主管機關作為把關核能安全的主管機關真的是應該要多加協助臺電和民眾之間的社會溝通"},{"start":593.763,"end":593.823,"text":"主席"}]}}}}