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00:03:24,839\n發動另外一個貿易戰把關稅拉到60%這個是他公開講過的那在我們simulation的時候當這件事情發生的時候對我國產業可能會造成的衝擊是什麼我剛指的是這個層次的問題社長您可以瞭解嗎您講的我可以瞭解對我的意思是那針對這些事情我們有開始準備因應的策略嗎\n\n10\n00:03:26,653 --> 00:03:45,060\n我們會做一些沙盤推演,但是呢﹖細節不方便提供。不會,不會。OK,好,非常的好。您覺得我們自己在大選的時候,其他國家的,不管是意見領袖還是政治人物,適合對我國的大選表態攻擊特定的候選人嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:47,355 --> 00:04:13,729\n如果都是民主國家的話應該不會應該不會嘛那相對的我們基於對於其他國家的尊重就是我們對於其他國家在進行大選的民主程序也應該要尊重吧我為什麼會特別提這件事情四年前在選舉的時候四年前在選舉的時候我們國家是有政治人物\n\n12\n00:04:15,049 --> 00:04:43,874\n把拜登直接綁到親北京公開挺川普這是我們應該採取的立場嗎?四年前的集體瘋狂今年應該再重新上演嗎?市長您的意見我不點名啊我想我全部貼出來現在在網路的世界大家都看得到嘛我四年前對於對於四年前發生的這個集體瘋狂我老實講我是看得瞠目結舌啊\n\n13\n00:04:44,827 --> 00:04:57,650\n人家美國在總統進行大選的時候你如果說是一般的媒體要做什麼評論要做什麼都沒有關係政治人物適合甚至是有公職的政治人物適合做這種事嗎?\n\n14\n00:05:00,273 --> 00:05:21,934\n市長我們政府沒有採取這個步驟是我知道我們政府沒有採取這個立場那但如果讓特定陣營的不管是政治人物或者是車役不斷地散布這個訊息的話其實對於我們政府對外交部的同仁可以有時候再做一些外交工作反而造成困擾\n\n15\n00:05:23,135 --> 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