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00:02:55,223\n開罰就罰,該改署就改署,我看你好像對那個NGO好像束手無策的樣子咧解散就解散啊,你們在解散學校不是很努力嗎?要你管的嘛,這台早期你要管也很奇怪啊有啦,他主要是內部控制集合能力不夠啦,所以我們有令他兩週內要改善\n\n8\n00:02:57,779 --> 00:03:10,457\n那很多委員都說啊董事長就改換人就好了嘛對不對啊給製作房額目一新都要捱經是在經什麼啦這如果在北市就印刀就要撲下來啦還可以給對不對\n\n9\n00:03:16,363 --> 00:03:32,979\n這個還是除了組織裡面自己的處理方式之外的話如果是要外部的機關去做處理的話還是需要有法源依據啦沒錯那你教育部是它的Origin的主導機構嘛所以你們要強勢一點\n\n10\n00:03:35,000 --> 00:04:01,672\n發生事情,大家都很嚇人、很衝擊昨天在社、社、社、社官、全國社官表揚欸,衛生部不錯,總不能打起來,總不能跟人家表揚那些人也受到很大的衝擊啊不過昨天看一看,好像還不錯啦,次長你做得不錯啦再來就是說,你在外部的集合你有一直在很密切,closefollowup嗎?有嗎?\n\n11\n00:04:02,592 --> 00:04:29,782\n一年一次一年一次第一次喔另外他們內部集合是他委託國內四大四大會計公司內部做會計帳目的查核你看有人對他的會計有沒有簽章人家一年結餘量兩三他還怕死人家出一年賣像這養社工的人我這養醫療的我就覺得很匪夷所思這不對不對就是不對啦該怎麼做就強勢一點嘛\n\n12\n00:04:31,391 --> 00:04:35,293\n這事情早就該落幕了,搞到現在,好,部長,3月4號,屏東中秋又發生一個六個月的孩子,那間你知道嗎?你知道齁?這保姆有一個人過世了,上一陣子他CPR,說什麼他吃什麼玩具,一個人說他吃獅子菌,六個月的孩子吃獅子菌?\n\n13\n00:04:59,371 --> 00:05:16,838\n這個案子的話我們還在調查當中初步的聽到的是說這個保姆照顧了三個小孩在事發當時的話他把三個小孩放在客廳拿去好像是泡奶還是怎麼樣\n\n14\n00:05:18,258 --> 00:05:32,147\n但是回來就那個六個月吧就有發現說有這種嗆到的這種現象所以他就緊急通知應該是一九然後就送一\n\n15\n00:05:34,836 --> 00:05:54,724\n對,他到警察局,警察局就轉119,然後就把他送到那個平基那平基那邊的檢查來看的話,那個時候已經沒有阻塞物,是沒有看到了那也好像沒有看到其他的這一個身上有什麼樣的傷啦,所以目前的調查到這裡\n\n16\n00:05:55,808 --> 00:06:19,211\n所以我是覺得這整個系統都要檢討了譬如說剛剛講說王一鳴講說現在讓你打到現在連NGO是要搜索那出養家庭那些人的那個訓練跟追蹤他們也覺得受傷但是好的保母是很多但是一兩個出問題整個大家都崩盤\n\n17\n00:06:20,312 --> 00:06:31,838\n這個一定要把它重新建立好這個是責任重大不過這個那個通報系統我是覺得要馬上建立好不好好那我要問醫療了部長昨天我們在黨團記者會所有那個要電價動漲的問題\n\n18\n00:06:42,384 --> 00:06:45,126\n二、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告\n\n19\n00:07:03,008 --> 00:07:04,629\n但是我要跟你說的現在醫療院所為了應付加薪水、護理書、兼驗書、訪小書你自己也說啊訪小書現在晶片業者要把我們救上去因為晶片都要掃描\n\n20\n00:07:20,339 --> 00:07:42,482\n所以呢,又過了可能就不是福利署欠,連福祉署也欠,現在現在就在加,那天我們的福利前年會去我辦公室說,要求沒這個,新進員工70萬年薪,資深一點的希望能到100萬,一個月有10萬塊,我說很好,全力支持。\n\n21\n00:07:43,683 --> 00:07:53,124\n阿現在就是檢報不跟大家都拖拖拖那你現在本業這個健保要釜底抽薪\n\n22\n00:07:55,336 --> 00:08:14,667\n你有辦法,總統是有機科的,我們的行政院長是公衛,你是副長科,這個石崇良是急診科,我行政院科,我們做那個就把他捕獲起來,這不在困難率啦,你沒有福利抽薪,這太嚴重了。\n\n23\n00:08:19,229 --> 00:08:27,574\n再來,你前幾天給他搞一個掛匯免上限,實在你實在去,我在高鐵店頭就有人跟我搶捏,搶說所請什麼?所謂什麼?你認為他會不會去上掛匯?我講,齁,這是齁,打中歐康環境。\n\n24\n00:08:42,796 --> 00:09:07,549\n有人說要去某一間便衣館特別面前說國安會要被罷工我說那不可能的事情我當場還沒說我講事實上臺灣一萬七千家醫療院所包括診所有調高國安會的七百多家這七百多家全部的條帳都是在縣市政府規定的上限以下\n\n25\n00:09:08,675 --> 00:09:22,430\n所以也沒有人在釣也沒有人敢釣現在百物齊掌我們在整個屏東你釣什麼你自己釣個五百塊我才能幫你放回銷我告訴你所以我們的助理\n\n26\n00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:31,126\n他的、他跟他太太跟小孩,如果一個人感冒,三個都感冒,一個人流感,三個都流感他說如果去掛看病,一個人掛五百、五百、五百,還不穩負擔、還搖、還不穩擔他說一聲就到了,所以用一個掛合會,而且是辦法就可以改了嘛,搞到我們喜慶營要廉恥、要修化\n\n27\n00:10:17,406 --> 00:10:38,645\n走的時候就讓健保國務院殘喘15年,到現在還在持續。所以,不管藍綠,大家都對他爭,你若要,若我看你是可以繼續再拚下去,衛生部長是太難做的啦。所以這是苦差事啦。好好的歸我這裡把他,我一定把他\n\n28\n00:10:41,327 --> 00:10:55,523\n這個真的要拿屋頂了啦這個根本報告我個人有沒有留在位置上這不重要但是整體的健保制度要怎麼樣來做改進這真的是大家一起要來討論的啦\n\n29\n00:10:57,406 --> 00:11:18,585\n那所以我們現在正在修修這個推這個健保法的修法的草案那也大概有了一個方向這個到時候會一定最後是來到立法院嘛我那天在總知情也跟你還有陳院長我跟他說既然你們把GDP都把長照納進來\n\n30\n00:11:20,000 --> 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missing就是幾乎要出問題的near missing齁那這個員工提出來之後我們把危機有化除沒有產生事情這個員工需要獎勵啊、給獎金等等等等那我們醫療做得那麼好醫安、非安都做\n所以這個通報系統你要讓他暢通嘛我覺得這個我們這個社交這邊做得不夠不夠雖然我們的社工也很努力所以第一個不要甩鍋啦你剛剛有講那教育部我要問你七項缺失不定到次長\n開罰就罰,該改署就改署,我看你好像對那個NGO好像束手無策的樣子咧解散就解散啊,你們在解散學校不是很努力嗎?要你管的嘛,這台早期你要管也很奇怪啊有啦,他主要是內部控制集合能力不夠啦,所以我們有令他兩週內要改善\n那 很多委員都說 啊 董事長就改 換人就好了嘛 對不對啊 給製作房 額目一新 都要捱經是在經什麼啦這如果在北市就 印刀就要撲下來啦 還可以給 對不對\n這個還是除了組織裡面自己的處理方式之外的話如果是要外部的機關去做處理的話還是需要有法源依據啦沒錯那你教育部是它的Origin的主導機構嘛所以你們要強勢一點\n發生事情,大家都很嚇人、很衝擊昨天在社、社、社、社官、全國社官表揚欸,衛生部不錯,總不能打起來,總不能跟人家表揚那些人也受到很大的衝擊啊不過昨天看一看,好像還不錯啦,次長你做得不錯啦再來就是說,你在外部的集合你有一直在很密切,close follow up嗎?有嗎?\n一年一次一年一次第一次喔另外他們內部集合是他委託國內四大四大會計公司內部做會計帳目的查核你看有人對他的會計有沒有簽章人家一年結餘量兩三他還怕死人家出一年賣像這養社工的人我這養醫療的我就覺得很匪夷所思這不對不對就是不對啦該怎麼做就強勢一點嘛\n這事情早就該落幕了,搞到現在,好,部長,3月4號,屏東中秋又發生一個六個月的孩子,那間你知道嗎?你知道齁?這保姆有一個人過世了,上一陣子他CPR,說什麼他吃什麼玩具,一個人說他吃獅子菌,六個月的孩子吃獅子菌?\n這個案子的話我們還在調查當中初步的聽到的是說這個保姆照顧了三個小孩在事發當時的話他把三個小孩放在客廳拿去好像是泡奶還是怎麼樣\n但是回來就那個六個月吧就有發現說有這種嗆到的這種現象所以他就緊急通知應該是一九然後就送一\n對,他到警察局,警察局就轉119,然後就把他送到那個平基那平基那邊的檢查來看的話,那個時候已經沒有阻塞物,是沒有看到了那也好像沒有看到其他的這一個身上有什麼樣的傷啦,所以目前的調查到這裡\n所以我是覺得這整個系統都要檢討了譬如說剛剛講說王一鳴講說現在讓你打到現在連NGO是要搜索那出養家庭那些人的那個訓練跟追蹤他們也覺得受傷但是好的保母是很多但是一兩個出問題整個大家都崩盤\n這個一定要把它重新建立好這個是責任重大不過這個那個通報系統我是覺得要馬上建立好不好好那我要問醫療了部長昨天我們在黨團記者會所有那個要電價動漲的問題\n二、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告\n但是我要跟你說的現在醫療院所為了應付加薪水、護理書、兼驗書、訪小書你自己也說啊訪小書現在晶片業者要把我們救上去因為晶片都要掃描\n所以呢,又過了可能就不是福利署欠,連福祉署也欠,現在現在就在加,那天我們的福利前年會去我辦公室說,要求沒這個,新進員工70萬年薪,資深一點的希望能到100萬,一個月有10萬塊,我說很好,全力支持。\n阿現在就是檢報不跟大家都拖拖拖那你現在本業這個健保要釜底抽薪\n你有辦法,總統是有機科的,我們的行政院長是公衛,你是副長科,這個石崇良是急診科,我行政院科,我們做那個就把他捕獲起來,這不在困難率啦,你沒有福利抽薪,這太嚴重了。\n再來,你前幾天給他搞一個掛匯免上限,實在你實在去,我在高鐵店頭就有人跟我搶捏,搶說所請什麼?所謂什麼?你認為他會不會去上掛匯?我講,齁,這是齁,打中歐康環境。\n有人說要去某一間便衣館特別面前說國安會要被罷工我說那不可能的事情我當場還沒說我講事實上臺灣一萬七千家醫療院所包括診所有調高國安會的七百多家這七百多家全部的條帳都是在縣市政府規定的上限以下\n所以也沒有人在釣也沒有人敢釣現在百物齊掌我們在整個屏東你釣什麼你自己釣個五百塊我才能幫你放回銷我告訴你所以我們的助理\n他的、他跟他太太跟小孩,如果一個人感冒,三個都感冒,一個人流感,三個都流感他說如果去掛看病,一個人掛五百、五百、五百,還不穩負擔、還搖、還不穩擔他說一聲就到了,所以用一個掛合會,而且是辦法就可以改了嘛,搞到我們喜慶營要廉恥、要修化\n這個...這個...這個...這個...這個...這個...這個...這個...這個...這個...這個...\n走的時候就讓健保國務院殘喘15年,到現在還在持續。所以,不管藍綠,大家都對他爭,你若要,若我看你是可以繼續再拚下去,衛生部長是太難做的啦。所以這是苦差事啦。好好的歸我這裡把他,我一定把他\n這個真的要拿屋頂了啦這個根本報告我個人有沒有留在位置上這不重要但是整體的健保制度要怎麼樣來做改進這真的是大家一起要來討論的啦\n那所以我們現在正在修修這個推這個健保法的修法的草案那也大概有了一個方向這個到時候會一定最後是來到立法院嘛我那天在總知情也跟你還有陳院長我跟他說既然你們把GDP都把長照納進來\n那你乾脆就一勞永逸吧我們要以前我第8屆推長照欸長照保險法沒過嘛那過不了啦你要單獨立一個法不可能啦所以你乾脆把長照齁這邊這個社工的長照的很多請我把他納進來因為現在長照安養機構的每天都在吃健保的豆腐啊每天去病院去廠房是那個都包健保每天就在吃健保的豆腐啊所以所以主席\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.239 --> 00:08.420\n謝謝主席,我請部長還有請教育部請林次長我有看到你的報告\n\n00:22.717 --> 00:39.689\n我最不喜歡看到的就是大家甩鍋甩來甩去啦那中央、地方要合作啦好好地做啦這件事情三來三去都沒意思嘛委員我幫你報告一下因為你自己玩到眼睛過半天\n\n00:43.248 --> 01:09.387\n所以如果說有一個醫療事故,那的確是我們院內錯了第一個當然就是院長會出來道歉但是後面也是要個別去追究責任,不是這樣所以這不叫又甩鍋通盤的、制度上的、有問題的其實衛福部都已經承擔下來了但是現在就要個別的自己本身的業務有什麼問題,這還是要追究嘛\n\n01:09.969 --> 01:35.532\n我們中華民國在衛生行政你是最高的上面總統下來就是你了你的powerful希望你堅持下去醫界在醫療體系如果有發生這種問題的話通報系統現在是很暢通的而且是沒有責任沒有追究的就是還鼓勵\n\n01:37.313 --> 02:04.560\n那這個兒少這一塊我是覺得我們也應該像醫療這樣嚴謹一點然後任何人他有發現問題像我們在醫院裡面如果nearmissing就是幾乎要出問題的nearmissing齁那這個員工提出來之後我們把危機有化除沒有產生事情這個員工需要獎勵啊、給獎金等等等等那我們醫療做得那麼好醫安、非安都做\n\n02:06.602 --> 02:28.203\n所以這個通報系統你要讓他暢通嘛我覺得這個我們這個社交這邊做得不夠不夠雖然我們的社工也很努力所以第一個不要甩鍋啦你剛剛有講那教育部我要問你七項缺失不定到次長\n\n02:30.907 --> 02:55.223\n開罰就罰,該改署就改署,我看你好像對那個NGO好像束手無策的樣子咧解散就解散啊,你們在解散學校不是很努力嗎?要你管的嘛,這台早期你要管也很奇怪啊有啦,他主要是內部控制集合能力不夠啦,所以我們有令他兩週內要改善\n\n02:57.779 --> 03:10.457\n那很多委員都說啊董事長就改換人就好了嘛對不對啊給製作房額目一新都要捱經是在經什麼啦這如果在北市就印刀就要撲下來啦還可以給對不對\n\n03:16.363 --> 03:32.979\n這個還是除了組織裡面自己的處理方式之外的話如果是要外部的機關去做處理的話還是需要有法源依據啦沒錯那你教育部是它的Origin的主導機構嘛所以你們要強勢一點\n\n03:35.000 --> 04:01.672\n發生事情,大家都很嚇人、很衝擊昨天在社、社、社、社官、全國社官表揚欸,衛生部不錯,總不能打起來,總不能跟人家表揚那些人也受到很大的衝擊啊不過昨天看一看,好像還不錯啦,次長你做得不錯啦再來就是說,你在外部的集合你有一直在很密切,closefollowup嗎?有嗎?\n\n04:02.592 --> 04:29.782\n一年一次一年一次第一次喔另外他們內部集合是他委託國內四大四大會計公司內部做會計帳目的查核你看有人對他的會計有沒有簽章人家一年結餘量兩三他還怕死人家出一年賣像這養社工的人我這養醫療的我就覺得很匪夷所思這不對不對就是不對啦該怎麼做就強勢一點嘛\n\n04:31.391 --> 04:35.293\n這事情早就該落幕了,搞到現在,好,部長,3月4號,屏東中秋又發生一個六個月的孩子,那間你知道嗎?你知道齁?這保姆有一個人過世了,上一陣子他CPR,說什麼他吃什麼玩具,一個人說他吃獅子菌,六個月的孩子吃獅子菌?\n\n04:59.371 --> 05:16.838\n這個案子的話我們還在調查當中初步的聽到的是說這個保姆照顧了三個小孩在事發當時的話他把三個小孩放在客廳拿去好像是泡奶還是怎麼樣\n\n05:18.258 --> 05:32.147\n但是回來就那個六個月吧就有發現說有這種嗆到的這種現象所以他就緊急通知應該是一九然後就送一\n\n05:34.836 --> 05:54.724\n對,他到警察局,警察局就轉119,然後就把他送到那個平基那平基那邊的檢查來看的話,那個時候已經沒有阻塞物,是沒有看到了那也好像沒有看到其他的這一個身上有什麼樣的傷啦,所以目前的調查到這裡\n\n05:55.808 --> 06:19.211\n所以我是覺得這整個系統都要檢討了譬如說剛剛講說王一鳴講說現在讓你打到現在連NGO是要搜索那出養家庭那些人的那個訓練跟追蹤他們也覺得受傷但是好的保母是很多但是一兩個出問題整個大家都崩盤\n\n06:20.312 --> 06:31.838\n這個一定要把它重新建立好這個是責任重大不過這個那個通報系統我是覺得要馬上建立好不好好那我要問醫療了部長昨天我們在黨團記者會所有那個要電價動漲的問題\n\n06:42.384 --> 06:45.126\n二、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告\n\n07:03.008 --> 07:04.629\n但是我要跟你說的現在醫療院所為了應付加薪水、護理書、兼驗書、訪小書你自己也說啊訪小書現在晶片業者要把我們救上去因為晶片都要掃描\n\n07:20.339 --> 07:42.482\n所以呢,又過了可能就不是福利署欠,連福祉署也欠,現在現在就在加,那天我們的福利前年會去我辦公室說,要求沒這個,新進員工70萬年薪,資深一點的希望能到100萬,一個月有10萬塊,我說很好,全力支持。\n\n07:43.683 --> 07:53.124\n阿現在就是檢報不跟大家都拖拖拖那你現在本業這個健保要釜底抽薪\n\n07:55.336 --> 08:14.667\n你有辦法,總統是有機科的,我們的行政院長是公衛,你是副長科,這個石崇良是急診科,我行政院科,我們做那個就把他捕獲起來,這不在困難率啦,你沒有福利抽薪,這太嚴重了。\n\n08:19.229 --> 08:27.574\n再來,你前幾天給他搞一個掛匯免上限,實在你實在去,我在高鐵店頭就有人跟我搶捏,搶說所請什麼?所謂什麼?你認為他會不會去上掛匯?我講,齁,這是齁,打中歐康環境。\n\n08:42.796 --> 09:07.549\n有人說要去某一間便衣館特別面前說國安會要被罷工我說那不可能的事情我當場還沒說我講事實上臺灣一萬七千家醫療院所包括診所有調高國安會的七百多家這七百多家全部的條帳都是在縣市政府規定的上限以下\n\n09:08.675 --> 09:22.430\n所以也沒有人在釣也沒有人敢釣現在百物齊掌我們在整個屏東你釣什麼你自己釣個五百塊我才能幫你放回銷我告訴你所以我們的助理\n\n09:23.240 --> 09:31.126\n他的、他跟他太太跟小孩,如果一個人感冒,三個都感冒,一個人流感,三個都流感他說如果去掛看病,一個人掛五百、五百、五百,還不穩負擔、還搖、還不穩擔他說一聲就到了,所以用一個掛合會,而且是辦法就可以改了嘛,搞到我們喜慶營要廉恥、要修化\n\n10:17.406 --> 10:38.645\n走的時候就讓健保國務院殘喘15年,到現在還在持續。所以,不管藍綠,大家都對他爭,你若要,若我看你是可以繼續再拚下去,衛生部長是太難做的啦。所以這是苦差事啦。好好的歸我這裡把他,我一定把他\n\n10:41.327 --> 10:55.523\n這個真的要拿屋頂了啦這個根本報告我個人有沒有留在位置上這不重要但是整體的健保制度要怎麼樣來做改進這真的是大家一起要來討論的啦\n\n10:57.406 --> 11:18.585\n那所以我們現在正在修修這個推這個健保法的修法的草案那也大概有了一個方向這個到時候會一定最後是來到立法院嘛我那天在總知情也跟你還有陳院長我跟他說既然你們把GDP都把長照納進來\n\n11:20.000 --> 11:47.376\n那你乾脆就一勞永逸吧我們要以前我第8屆推長照欸長照保險法沒過嘛那過不了啦你要單獨立一個法不可能啦所以你乾脆把長照齁這邊這個社工的長照的很多請我把他納進來因為現在長照安養機構的每天都在吃健保的豆腐啊每天去病院去廠房是那個都包健保每天就在吃健保的豆腐啊所以所以主席\n\n11:48.537 --> 11:48.817\n主席\n\n","segments":[{"start":6.239,"end":8.42,"text":"謝謝主席,我請部長還有請教育部請林次長我有看到你的報告"},{"start":22.717,"end":39.689,"text":"我最不喜歡看到的就是大家甩鍋甩來甩去啦那中央、地方要合作啦好好地做啦這件事情三來三去都沒意思嘛委員我幫你報告一下因為你自己玩到眼睛過半天"},{"start":43.248,"end":69.387,"text":"所以如果說有一個醫療事故,那的確是我們院內錯了第一個當然就是院長會出來道歉但是後面也是要個別去追究責任,不是這樣所以這不叫又甩鍋通盤的、制度上的、有問題的其實衛福部都已經承擔下來了但是現在就要個別的自己本身的業務有什麼問題,這還是要追究嘛"},{"start":69.969,"end":95.532,"text":"我們中華民國在衛生行政你是最高的上面總統下來就是你了你的powerful希望你堅持下去醫界在醫療體系如果有發生這種問題的話通報系統現在是很暢通的而且是沒有責任沒有追究的就是還鼓勵"},{"start":97.313,"end":124.56,"text":"那這個兒少這一塊我是覺得我們也應該像醫療這樣嚴謹一點然後任何人他有發現問題像我們在醫院裡面如果near missing就是幾乎要出問題的near missing齁那這個員工提出來之後我們把危機有化除沒有產生事情這個員工需要獎勵啊、給獎金等等等等那我們醫療做得那麼好醫安、非安都做"},{"start":126.602,"end":148.203,"text":"所以這個通報系統你要讓他暢通嘛我覺得這個我們這個社交這邊做得不夠不夠雖然我們的社工也很努力所以第一個不要甩鍋啦你剛剛有講那教育部我要問你七項缺失不定到次長"},{"start":150.907,"end":175.223,"text":"開罰就罰,該改署就改署,我看你好像對那個NGO好像束手無策的樣子咧解散就解散啊,你們在解散學校不是很努力嗎?要你管的嘛,這台早期你要管也很奇怪啊有啦,他主要是內部控制集合能力不夠啦,所以我們有令他兩週內要改善"},{"start":177.779,"end":190.457,"text":"那 很多委員都說 啊 董事長就改 換人就好了嘛 對不對啊 給製作房 額目一新 都要捱經是在經什麼啦這如果在北市就 印刀就要撲下來啦 還可以給 對不對"},{"start":196.363,"end":212.979,"text":"這個還是除了組織裡面自己的處理方式之外的話如果是要外部的機關去做處理的話還是需要有法源依據啦沒錯那你教育部是它的Origin的主導機構嘛所以你們要強勢一點"},{"start":215,"end":241.672,"text":"發生事情,大家都很嚇人、很衝擊昨天在社、社、社、社官、全國社官表揚欸,衛生部不錯,總不能打起來,總不能跟人家表揚那些人也受到很大的衝擊啊不過昨天看一看,好像還不錯啦,次長你做得不錯啦再來就是說,你在外部的集合你有一直在很密切,close follow 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