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00:01:55,369\n那我想少年刑犯就是12歲到18歲那這個時期也是我們孩子的青春期生理的成長變化這個最大也影響了他的一個心理的一個狀態所以稍微有些不良的誘因就容易造成他行為的偏差所以對於這種少年犯罪我想剛才羅志強委員也講逐年在增加那我想我們教育部\n\n6\n00:01:57,226 --> 00:02:15,927\n對於專報裏面當然你有做很詳細的說明但是我看到你的書面報告大部分都是偏重在這個我們的法治教育都是偏重在人權公民勞動性平以及強化學生民主法治的觀念素養\n\n7\n00:02:17,108 --> 00:02:32,005\n但是對於我們現在我們實務上我們社會上我們少年犯最高的幾種犯罪類型比如說竊盜該提到的詐欺毒品還有這些傷害的等等事件\n\n8\n00:02:33,502 --> 00:02:59,518\n這些孩子常常會面臨到在校園裡面遇到很多同儕之間對他做這些行為也是我們最頭痛的這些行為那我看到整個專報裡面對於這會面臨什麼樣的一個法律制裁會有什麼樣的法律責任那如何去避免都沒有列為教材那您認為孩子是否缺乏這方面的一個法治教育\n\n9\n00:03:02,261 --> 00:03:24,397\n法治教育其實不是單獨存在的在我們目前中小學的課程當中還會有品德教育會有生命教育他會從價值觀念的是非善惡所以你的意思是說你的素養教育是遍佈在各種類科裡面你們教育部常講的\n\n10\n00:03:25,257 --> 00:03:46,706\n應該是整合在課程實施裡面就整合在整個很多的課程裡面嘛並沒有一個專門的課程來去提升孩子的整個素養教育嗎在單純就法律的這一個部分法治教育的部分可能重點會放在兩個領域課程一個是在社會領域裡面一個是在綜合活動領域裡面\n\n11\n00:03:47,626 --> 00:04:04,673\n是所以並沒有把我剛才講的實務上常發生的這幾種這個犯罪的類型你們把它編入在教材裡面嗎先說因為那個跟我的說教科書的編輯因為它有一定的審查週期不容易馬上更新所以所以這樣聽來啦你們是認為說\n\n12\n00:04:07,974 --> 00:04:28,310\n這些犯罪我們事務上常看到的這些犯罪類型在校園裡面孩子常發生的這些犯罪是我們警察或者法務部的責任嗎?不是,我們會因應時事因應法令的變遷在課程教材不足的部分會透過教育協導的方式。所以部長我要建議你們\n\n13\n00:04:29,531 --> 00:04:49,258\n此犯罪類型每年都在攀升,逐年攀升,不會斷。因為我們想我們司法是最後的一個審判的一個手段。所以我自己是法律人,我也很不贊成說什麼都丟給這個甲官丟給司法院去做最終的一個制裁。\n\n14\n00:04:49,858 --> 00:05:19,050\n是我們前端就要做好啊是所以我看到你的整篇報道裡面對於這些我們常看到的刑事的犯罪類型你有做這方面的法治的教育嗎那你講的都是人權啦民主啦委員真的剛才你談到的包括詐騙的案件的部分對啊其實我們跟警政署跟法務部其實都有收集到這些犯罪的形態跟樣態我們也製作懶人包製作短影影音等等會提供給學校在教學上可以運用\n\n15\n00:05:19,770 --> 00:05:42,238\n有作有好我是覺得要再加強是好我再問你啦我想我們最近也發生了這個很多校園呢在校園裡面在課堂這個啊這個呃教室裡面就毆打老師啊這個學生啊毆打老師還有這個學生呢啊被這個霸凌也被毆打是兩個兩個打一個啊這些事件啊\n\n16\n00:05:42,938 --> 00:06:09,638\n但是我在那個流傳的影片當中我看不到說有任何人去這個制止這件事情甚至也沒有看到我們的老師出面請問面臨這種事情這種事情那我們在校園裡面發生這種事情難道我們的師長我們的教官都沒有一個通報的機制嗎我看到孩子們都坐在那邊沒有人要管啊還拿著手機在錄沒有人去救他\n\n17\n00:06:10,799 --> 00:06:31,092\n到底這個好像如何來這個遏止的即時上不要繼續再打下去啊是跟委員報告其實這個在發生狀況的現在學校的學班級的幹部應該可以立刻跟隔壁班老師說或者立刻跟學務處桌通報其實是有的只是畫面上看不到有嗎有有有有有有\n\n18\n00:06:32,252 --> 00:06:59,925\n那你們如果說是當然你們要有一個通報機制那你該說有那你實際上有沒有任何的一個要點或是任何的一個法規上的一個規範我們目前這個部分是有那個作業流程有一個作業流程您希望您這個就提供給我好提供給我那我想那個請那個刑事局我們周局長那我想同樣的一個同樣這樣的一個案例\n\n19\n00:07:01,055 --> 00:07:21,362\n那局長你有看過那影片嗎?有看到對那像這種事情發生刑事犯罪在我們校園裡面在課堂裡面公然發生那我也沒看到我們警察介入啊學校要如何跟您通報這個是他們要跟我們通報學校要跟我們分局要來通報我們就會來\n\n20\n00:07:22,282 --> 00:07:47,027\n通報的機制是請你說明一下因為我們就是他會跟我們分局就是學校的那個老師或是他們的這個輔導單位要跟我們跟我們的分局裡面的這個轄區分局的派出所分局就是分局裡面的這個所以其實我這樣講其實我們看到就是在畫面上都人都已經被打了啦是所以我是說如何遏止這一塊我們如何精進啊\n\n21\n00:07:48,404 --> 00:07:49,765\n但這個不一定是沒有效還是會有發生啊?\n\n22\n00:08:10,025 --> 00:08:31,519\n會有它的效果,事實上這個發生的個案是非常少,只是你看到了,但事實上不是那麼多常常發生的事。其實我今天要跟你講,我昨天才一個,還一個二十幾歲年輕人跟我講,他的這個共同服兵役的這個,他的朋友告訴他,他們那個學校啊,他們那個學校有小朋友書包裡面裝槍啊,帶著槍去學校。\n\n23\n00:08:35,350 --> 00:08:39,992\n我還是希望說我們的學校還有我們的警察警政單位要這個如果通報的機制要做好我們本來就有你看到下面的留言大家是怎麼罵的\n\n24\n00:09:03,106 --> 00:09:22,397\n真的我想這部分要精進啦吼OK好那我要想再談一下我們的一個因為今天的主題招委派的主題啦是青少年法治教育與犯罪防制的成效但是我還是要強調除了法治教育以外我們道德的教育是否更應該被重視\n\n25\n00:09:28,183 --> 00:09:48,614\n道德教育應該更重視嗎?是不是?不像法律是最後的手段。孩子的品德教育、道德教育才是我們人格發展過程中最重要的啦。從小有教好他長大就不會這個價值觀就不會扭曲了。與其告訴孩子打人會被抓器官\n\n26\n00:09:49,834 --> 00:10:11,429\n為何我們不教孩子帶人處事要蹲後?與其告訴孩子偷竊詐騙會被抓去關,為何不教孩子要天道酬勤,不貪圖急功近利?與其告訴孩子少年性剝削會抓去關,為何不教孩子應該尊重別人並以禮相待?所以我要請問司長,您認為\n\n27\n00:10:13,630 --> 00:10:28,957\n道德教育是不是也能匡正我們社會風氣而預防犯罪的重要的一個因素?深表贊同。所以教育部啊,到底對這個道德教育你們做了哪些努力啊?\n\n28\n00:10:30,029 --> 00:10:50,905\n跟委員說明,路東剛才前面有說的,其實法治教育跟品德教育這幾個不同的面向其實是一起在課程都要來落實的。市長我跟您分享一下,前陣子那個國中生殺害同學的案件,那個乾妹妹事後她在網路上發表了一些怨懟的言辭,\n\n29\n00:10:52,006 --> 00:11:06,456\n他認為他沒有錯並悲秋傷春地感嘆他的干哥哥為他的付出那個是非價值觀扭曲到這種程度啊所以我想只靠法治教育這根本是治標不治本啊\n\n30\n00:11:07,236 --> 00:11:26,170\n所以我想教育部你真的要努力我們再繼續努力那我們剛才講到詐欺犯的問題我想司法院的一個統計表裡面講說最近5年詐欺犯的這個吸收案件在107年詐欺案件只有3254件112年高達6323件看長了這個double成長\n\n31\n00:11:35,925 --> 00:11:45,028\n所以炸棄犯為什麼會那麼多教育部有沒有思考過炸棄犯為什麼而且都是我們青少年犯為什麼那麼多\n\n32\n00:11:47,348 --> 00:12:08,586\n如同剛才前面所探討其實網路的因素現在很多資訊容易串聯聯繫是很大的關係所以這些訊息很容易...市長不能推給網路現在就是說你們要如何教育我們的下一代這種事情啦做這種事情啦很沒道德的啦不是只有法制很沒有道德啦現在孩子他甚至我騙人家沒有關係啊\n\n33\n00:12:09,867 --> 00:12:25,126\n他認為騙人家沒有關係我不是殺人我不是謀財害命沒關係我只是騙人的錢他認為沒關係是非價值觀已經變成這樣所以才有大量的孩子不斷的去從事這種詐欺的這樣的一個行為去當車手\n\n34\n00:12:29,898 --> 00:12:58,075\n所以怎麼樣來教育我們的孩子是非道德的觀念很重要所以我要告訴你們你一連詞把他納入課綱否則再這樣下去真的你剛才講什麼素養教育散佈在各個領域有成效嗎沒有成效啊所以我們的這些孩子的一個犯罪率還是持續的升高所以我希望教育部要來檢討我們道德教育的重要性好不好以上謝謝\n\n35\n00:13:00,826 --> 00:13:02,036\n好謝謝林思銘\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8706\t21255\t好謝謝主席主席請我們教育部齁這個學特斯市長請教育部好市長好我想市長\n22614\t47831\t青少年犯罪事件呈出不窮從我們警政署刑事警察局的統計資料來看一百一十二年的少年犯人口為一百一十七萬少年人口為一百一十七萬四千五百一十八人少年嫌疑犯就有一萬七百九十人少年的犯罪人口率\n48992\t71289\t等於說每10萬人口就有921人所以青少年犯罪這個面向我們似乎不是單純的要從形式的角度來思考也要從整體的社會政策來思考每個人的人格的一個養成我想學校家庭還有社會都是環環相扣的\n72239\t85055\t那麼從學歷前教育到18歲以前每天都是在學校裡的時間佔比最大那也更凸顯說我們學校教育的重要性師長你同意嗎?同意\n86874\t115369\t那我想少年刑犯就是12歲到18歲那這個時期也是我們孩子的青春期生理的成長變化這個最大也影響了他的一個心理的一個狀態所以稍微有些不良的誘因就容易造成他行為的偏差所以對於這種少年犯罪我想剛才羅志強委員也講逐年在增加那我想我們教育部\n117226\t135927\t對於專報裏面當然你有做很詳細的說明但是我看到你的書面報告大部分都是偏重在這個我們的法治教育都是偏重在人權公民勞動性平以及強化學生民主法治的觀念素養\n137108\t152005\t但是對於我們現在我們實務上我們社會上我們少年犯最高的幾種犯罪類型比如說竊盜該提到的詐欺毒品還有這些傷害的等等事件\n153502\t179518\t這些孩子常常會面臨到在校園裡面遇到很多同儕之間對他做這些行為也是我們最頭痛的這些行為那我看到整個專報裡面對於這會面臨什麼樣的一個法律制裁會有什麼樣的法律責任那如何去避免都沒有列為教材那您認為孩子是否缺乏這方面的一個法治教育\n182261\t204397\t法治教育其實不是單獨存在的在我們目前中小學的課程當中還會有品德教育會有生命教育他會從價值觀念的是非善惡所以你的意思是說你的素養教育是遍佈在各種類科裡面你們教育部常講的\n205257\t226706\t應該是整合在課程實施裡面就整合在整個很多的課程裡面嘛並沒有一個專門的課程來去提升孩子的整個素養教育嗎在單純就法律的這一個部分 法治教育的部分可能重點會放在兩個領域課程一個是在社會領域裡面 一個是在綜合活動領域裡面\n227626\t244673\t是所以並沒有把我剛才講的實務上常發生的這幾種這個犯罪的類型你們把它編入在教材裡面嗎先說因為那個跟我的說教科書的編輯因為它有一定的審查週期不容易馬上更新所以所以這樣聽來啦你們是認為說\n247974\t268310\t這些犯罪我們事務上常看到的這些犯罪類型在校園裡面孩子常發生的這些犯罪是我們警察或者法務部的責任嗎?不是,我們會因應時事因應法令的變遷在課程教材不足的部分會透過教育協導的方式。所以部長我要建議你們\n269531\t289258\t此犯罪類型每年都在攀升,逐年攀升,不會斷。因為我們想我們司法是最後的一個審判的一個手段。所以我自己是法律人,我也很不贊成說什麼都丟給這個甲官丟給司法院去做最終的一個制裁。\n289858\t319050\t是我們前端就要做好啊是所以我看到你的整篇報道裡面對於這些我們常看到的刑事的犯罪類型你有做這方面的法治的教育嗎那你講的都是人權啦民主啦委員真的剛才你談到的包括詐騙的案件的部分對啊其實我們跟警政署跟法務部其實都有收集到這些犯罪的形態跟樣態我們也製作懶人包製作短影影音等等會提供給學校在教學上可以運用\n319770\t342238\t有作有好我是覺得要再加強是好我再問你啦我想我們最近也發生了這個很多校園呢在校園裡面在課堂這個啊這個呃教室裡面就毆打老師啊這個學生啊毆打老師還有這個學生呢啊被這個霸凌也被毆打是兩個兩個打一個啊這些事件啊\n342938\t369638\t但是我在那個流傳的影片當中我看不到說有任何人去這個制止這件事情甚至也沒有看到我們的老師出面請問面臨這種事情這種事情那我們在校園裡面發生這種事情難道我們的師長我們的教官都沒有一個通報的機制嗎我看到孩子們都坐在那邊沒有人要管啊還拿著手機在錄沒有人去救他\n370799\t391092\t到底這個好像如何來這個遏止的即時上不要繼續再打下去啊是跟委員報告其實這個在發生狀況的現在學校的學班級的幹部應該可以立刻跟隔壁班老師說或者立刻跟學務處桌通報其實是有的只是畫面上看不到有嗎有有有有有有\n392252\t419925\t那你們如果說是當然你們要有一個通報機制那你該說有那你實際上有沒有任何的一個要點或是任何的一個法規上的一個規範我們目前這個部分是有那個作業流程有一個作業流程您希望您這個就提供給我好提供給我那我想那個請那個刑事局我們周局長那我想同樣的一個同樣這樣的一個案例\n421055\t441362\t那局長你有看過那影片嗎?有看到對那像這種事情發生刑事犯罪在我們校園裡面在課堂裡面公然發生那我也沒看到我們警察介入啊學校要如何跟您通報這個是他們要跟我們通報學校要跟我們分局要來通報我們就會來\n442282\t467027\t通報的機制是請你說明一下因為我們就是他會跟我們分局就是學校的那個老師或是他們的這個輔導單位要跟我們跟我們的分局裡面的這個轄區分局的派出所分局就是分局裡面的這個所以其實我這樣講其實我們看到就是在畫面上都人都已經被打了啦是所以我是說如何遏止這一塊我們如何精進啊\n468404\t469765\t但這個不一定是沒有效還是會有發生啊?\n490025\t511519\t會有它的效果,事實上這個發生的個案是非常少,只是你看到了,但事實上不是那麼多常常發生的事。其實我今天要跟你講,我昨天才一個,還一個二十幾歲年輕人跟我講,他的這個共同服兵役的這個,他的朋友告訴他,他們那個學校啊,他們那個學校有小朋友書包裡面裝槍啊,帶著槍去學校。\n515350\t519992\t我還是希望說我們的學校還有我們的警察警政單位要這個如果通報的機制要做好我們本來就有你看到下面的留言大家是怎麼罵的\n543106\t562397\t真的我想這部分要精進啦吼OK好那我要想再談一下我們的一個因為今天的主題招委派的主題啦是青少年法治教育與犯罪防制的成效但是我還是要強調除了法治教育以外我們道德的教育是否更應該被重視\n568183\t588614\t道德教育應該更重視嗎?是不是?不像法律是最後的手段。孩子的品德教育、道德教育才是我們人格發展過程中最重要的啦。從小有教好他長大就不會這個價值觀就不會扭曲了。與其告訴孩子打人會被抓器官\n589834\t611429\t為何我們不教孩子帶人處事要蹲後?與其告訴孩子偷竊詐騙會被抓去關,為何不教孩子要天道酬勤,不貪圖急功近利?與其告訴孩子少年性剝削會抓去關,為何不教孩子應該尊重別人並以禮相待?所以我要請問司長,您認為\n613630\t628957\t道德教育是不是也能匡正我們社會風氣而預防犯罪的重要的一個因素?深表贊同。所以教育部啊,到底對這個道德教育你們做了哪些努力啊?\n630029\t650905\t跟委員說明,路東剛才前面有說的,其實法治教育跟品德教育這幾個不同的面向其實是一起在課程都要來落實的。市長我跟您分享一下,前陣子那個國中生殺害同學的案件,那個乾妹妹事後她在網路上發表了一些怨懟的言辭,\n652006\t666456\t他認為他沒有錯並悲秋傷春地感嘆他的干哥哥為他的付出那個是非價值觀扭曲到這種程度啊所以我想只靠法治教育這根本是治標不治本啊\n667236\t686170\t所以我想教育部你真的要努力我們再繼續努力那我們剛才講到詐欺犯的問題我想司法院的一個統計表裡面講說最近5年詐欺犯的這個吸收案件在107年詐欺案件只有3254件112年高達6323件看長了這個double成長\n695925\t705028\t所以炸棄犯為什麼會那麼多教育部有沒有思考過炸棄犯為什麼而且都是我們青少年犯為什麼那麼多\n707348\t728586\t如同剛才前面所探討其實網路的因素現在很多資訊容易串聯聯繫是很大的關係所以這些訊息很容易...市長不能推給網路現在就是說你們要如何教育我們的下一代這種事情啦做這種事情啦很沒道德的啦不是只有法制很沒有道德啦現在孩子他甚至我騙人家沒有關係啊\n729867\t745126\t他認為騙人家沒有關係我不是殺人我不是謀財害命沒關係我只是騙人的錢他認為沒關係是非價值觀已經變成這樣所以才有大量的孩子不斷的去從事這種詐欺的這樣的一個行為去當車手\n749898\t778075\t所以怎麼樣來教育我們的孩子是非道德的觀念很重要所以我要告訴你們你一連詞把他納入課綱否則再這樣下去真的你剛才講什麼素養教育散佈在各個領域有成效嗎沒有成效啊所以我們的這些孩子的一個犯罪率還是持續的升高所以我希望教育部要來檢討我們道德教育的重要性好不好以上謝謝\n780826\t782036\t好謝謝林思銘\n","txt":"好謝謝主席主席請我們教育部齁這個學特斯市長請教育部好市長好我想市長\n青少年犯罪事件呈出不窮從我們警政署刑事警察局的統計資料來看一百一十二年的少年犯人口為一百一十七萬少年人口為一百一十七萬四千五百一十八人少年嫌疑犯就有一萬七百九十人少年的犯罪人口率\n等於說每10萬人口就有921人所以青少年犯罪這個面向我們似乎不是單純的要從形式的角度來思考也要從整體的社會政策來思考每個人的人格的一個養成我想學校家庭還有社會都是環環相扣的\n那麼從學歷前教育到18歲以前每天都是在學校裡的時間佔比最大那也更凸顯說我們學校教育的重要性師長你同意嗎?同意\n那我想少年刑犯就是12歲到18歲那這個時期也是我們孩子的青春期生理的成長變化這個最大也影響了他的一個心理的一個狀態所以稍微有些不良的誘因就容易造成他行為的偏差所以對於這種少年犯罪我想剛才羅志強委員也講逐年在增加那我想我們教育部\n對於專報裏面當然你有做很詳細的說明但是我看到你的書面報告大部分都是偏重在這個我們的法治教育都是偏重在人權公民勞動性平以及強化學生民主法治的觀念素養\n但是對於我們現在我們實務上我們社會上我們少年犯最高的幾種犯罪類型比如說竊盜該提到的詐欺毒品還有這些傷害的等等事件\n這些孩子常常會面臨到在校園裡面遇到很多同儕之間對他做這些行為也是我們最頭痛的這些行為那我看到整個專報裡面對於這會面臨什麼樣的一個法律制裁會有什麼樣的法律責任那如何去避免都沒有列為教材那您認為孩子是否缺乏這方面的一個法治教育\n法治教育其實不是單獨存在的在我們目前中小學的課程當中還會有品德教育會有生命教育他會從價值觀念的是非善惡所以你的意思是說你的素養教育是遍佈在各種類科裡面你們教育部常講的\n應該是整合在課程實施裡面就整合在整個很多的課程裡面嘛並沒有一個專門的課程來去提升孩子的整個素養教育嗎在單純就法律的這一個部分 法治教育的部分可能重點會放在兩個領域課程一個是在社會領域裡面 一個是在綜合活動領域裡面\n是所以並沒有把我剛才講的實務上常發生的這幾種這個犯罪的類型你們把它編入在教材裡面嗎先說因為那個跟我的說教科書的編輯因為它有一定的審查週期不容易馬上更新所以所以這樣聽來啦你們是認為說\n這些犯罪我們事務上常看到的這些犯罪類型在校園裡面孩子常發生的這些犯罪是我們警察或者法務部的責任嗎?不是,我們會因應時事因應法令的變遷在課程教材不足的部分會透過教育協導的方式。所以部長我要建議你們\n此犯罪類型每年都在攀升,逐年攀升,不會斷。因為我們想我們司法是最後的一個審判的一個手段。所以我自己是法律人,我也很不贊成說什麼都丟給這個甲官丟給司法院去做最終的一個制裁。\n是我們前端就要做好啊是所以我看到你的整篇報道裡面對於這些我們常看到的刑事的犯罪類型你有做這方面的法治的教育嗎那你講的都是人權啦民主啦委員真的剛才你談到的包括詐騙的案件的部分對啊其實我們跟警政署跟法務部其實都有收集到這些犯罪的形態跟樣態我們也製作懶人包製作短影影音等等會提供給學校在教學上可以運用\n有作有好我是覺得要再加強是好我再問你啦我想我們最近也發生了這個很多校園呢在校園裡面在課堂這個啊這個呃教室裡面就毆打老師啊這個學生啊毆打老師還有這個學生呢啊被這個霸凌也被毆打是兩個兩個打一個啊這些事件啊\n但是我在那個流傳的影片當中我看不到說有任何人去這個制止這件事情甚至也沒有看到我們的老師出面請問面臨這種事情這種事情那我們在校園裡面發生這種事情難道我們的師長我們的教官都沒有一個通報的機制嗎我看到孩子們都坐在那邊沒有人要管啊還拿著手機在錄沒有人去救他\n到底這個好像如何來這個遏止的即時上不要繼續再打下去啊是跟委員報告其實這個在發生狀況的現在學校的學班級的幹部應該可以立刻跟隔壁班老師說或者立刻跟學務處桌通報其實是有的只是畫面上看不到有嗎有有有有有有\n那你們如果說是當然你們要有一個通報機制那你該說有那你實際上有沒有任何的一個要點或是任何的一個法規上的一個規範我們目前這個部分是有那個作業流程有一個作業流程您希望您這個就提供給我好提供給我那我想那個請那個刑事局我們周局長那我想同樣的一個同樣這樣的一個案例\n那局長你有看過那影片嗎?有看到對那像這種事情發生刑事犯罪在我們校園裡面在課堂裡面公然發生那我也沒看到我們警察介入啊學校要如何跟您通報這個是他們要跟我們通報學校要跟我們分局要來通報我們就會來\n通報的機制是請你說明一下因為我們就是他會跟我們分局就是學校的那個老師或是他們的這個輔導單位要跟我們跟我們的分局裡面的這個轄區分局的派出所分局就是分局裡面的這個所以其實我這樣講其實我們看到就是在畫面上都人都已經被打了啦是所以我是說如何遏止這一塊我們如何精進啊\n但這個不一定是沒有效還是會有發生啊?\n會有它的效果,事實上這個發生的個案是非常少,只是你看到了,但事實上不是那麼多常常發生的事。其實我今天要跟你講,我昨天才一個,還一個二十幾歲年輕人跟我講,他的這個共同服兵役的這個,他的朋友告訴他,他們那個學校啊,他們那個學校有小朋友書包裡面裝槍啊,帶著槍去學校。\n我還是希望說我們的學校還有我們的警察警政單位要這個如果通報的機制要做好我們本來就有你看到下面的留言大家是怎麼罵的\n真的我想這部分要精進啦吼OK好那我要想再談一下我們的一個因為今天的主題招委派的主題啦是青少年法治教育與犯罪防制的成效但是我還是要強調除了法治教育以外我們道德的教育是否更應該被重視\n道德教育應該更重視嗎?是不是?不像法律是最後的手段。孩子的品德教育、道德教育才是我們人格發展過程中最重要的啦。從小有教好他長大就不會這個價值觀就不會扭曲了。與其告訴孩子打人會被抓器官\n為何我們不教孩子帶人處事要蹲後?與其告訴孩子偷竊詐騙會被抓去關,為何不教孩子要天道酬勤,不貪圖急功近利?與其告訴孩子少年性剝削會抓去關,為何不教孩子應該尊重別人並以禮相待?所以我要請問司長,您認為\n道德教育是不是也能匡正我們社會風氣而預防犯罪的重要的一個因素?深表贊同。所以教育部啊,到底對這個道德教育你們做了哪些努力啊?\n跟委員說明,路東剛才前面有說的,其實法治教育跟品德教育這幾個不同的面向其實是一起在課程都要來落實的。市長我跟您分享一下,前陣子那個國中生殺害同學的案件,那個乾妹妹事後她在網路上發表了一些怨懟的言辭,\n他認為他沒有錯並悲秋傷春地感嘆他的干哥哥為他的付出那個是非價值觀扭曲到這種程度啊所以我想只靠法治教育這根本是治標不治本啊\n所以我想教育部你真的要努力我們再繼續努力那我們剛才講到詐欺犯的問題我想司法院的一個統計表裡面講說最近5年詐欺犯的這個吸收案件在107年詐欺案件只有3254件112年高達6323件看長了這個double成長\n所以炸棄犯為什麼會那麼多教育部有沒有思考過炸棄犯為什麼而且都是我們青少年犯為什麼那麼多\n如同剛才前面所探討其實網路的因素現在很多資訊容易串聯聯繫是很大的關係所以這些訊息很容易...市長不能推給網路現在就是說你們要如何教育我們的下一代這種事情啦做這種事情啦很沒道德的啦不是只有法制很沒有道德啦現在孩子他甚至我騙人家沒有關係啊\n他認為騙人家沒有關係我不是殺人我不是謀財害命沒關係我只是騙人的錢他認為沒關係是非價值觀已經變成這樣所以才有大量的孩子不斷的去從事這種詐欺的這樣的一個行為去當車手\n所以怎麼樣來教育我們的孩子是非道德的觀念很重要所以我要告訴你們你一連詞把他納入課綱否則再這樣下去真的你剛才講什麼素養教育散佈在各個領域有成效嗎沒有成效啊所以我們的這些孩子的一個犯罪率還是持續的升高所以我希望教育部要來檢討我們道德教育的重要性好不好以上謝謝\n好謝謝林思銘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.706 --> 00:21.255\n好謝謝主席主席請我們教育部齁這個學特斯市長請教育部好市長好我想市長\n\n00:22.614 --> 00:47.831\n青少年犯罪事件呈出不窮從我們警政署刑事警察局的統計資料來看一百一十二年的少年犯人口為一百一十七萬少年人口為一百一十七萬四千五百一十八人少年嫌疑犯就有一萬七百九十人少年的犯罪人口率\n\n00:48.992 --> 01:11.289\n等於說每10萬人口就有921人所以青少年犯罪這個面向我們似乎不是單純的要從形式的角度來思考也要從整體的社會政策來思考每個人的人格的一個養成我想學校家庭還有社會都是環環相扣的\n\n01:12.239 --> 01:25.055\n那麼從學歷前教育到18歲以前每天都是在學校裡的時間佔比最大那也更凸顯說我們學校教育的重要性師長你同意嗎?同意\n\n01:26.874 --> 01:55.369\n那我想少年刑犯就是12歲到18歲那這個時期也是我們孩子的青春期生理的成長變化這個最大也影響了他的一個心理的一個狀態所以稍微有些不良的誘因就容易造成他行為的偏差所以對於這種少年犯罪我想剛才羅志強委員也講逐年在增加那我想我們教育部\n\n01:57.226 --> 02:15.927\n對於專報裏面當然你有做很詳細的說明但是我看到你的書面報告大部分都是偏重在這個我們的法治教育都是偏重在人權公民勞動性平以及強化學生民主法治的觀念素養\n\n02:17.108 --> 02:32.005\n但是對於我們現在我們實務上我們社會上我們少年犯最高的幾種犯罪類型比如說竊盜該提到的詐欺毒品還有這些傷害的等等事件\n\n02:33.502 --> 02:59.518\n這些孩子常常會面臨到在校園裡面遇到很多同儕之間對他做這些行為也是我們最頭痛的這些行為那我看到整個專報裡面對於這會面臨什麼樣的一個法律制裁會有什麼樣的法律責任那如何去避免都沒有列為教材那您認為孩子是否缺乏這方面的一個法治教育\n\n03:02.261 --> 03:24.397\n法治教育其實不是單獨存在的在我們目前中小學的課程當中還會有品德教育會有生命教育他會從價值觀念的是非善惡所以你的意思是說你的素養教育是遍佈在各種類科裡面你們教育部常講的\n\n03:25.257 --> 03:46.706\n應該是整合在課程實施裡面就整合在整個很多的課程裡面嘛並沒有一個專門的課程來去提升孩子的整個素養教育嗎在單純就法律的這一個部分法治教育的部分可能重點會放在兩個領域課程一個是在社會領域裡面一個是在綜合活動領域裡面\n\n03:47.626 --> 04:04.673\n是所以並沒有把我剛才講的實務上常發生的這幾種這個犯罪的類型你們把它編入在教材裡面嗎先說因為那個跟我的說教科書的編輯因為它有一定的審查週期不容易馬上更新所以所以這樣聽來啦你們是認為說\n\n04:07.974 --> 04:28.310\n這些犯罪我們事務上常看到的這些犯罪類型在校園裡面孩子常發生的這些犯罪是我們警察或者法務部的責任嗎?不是,我們會因應時事因應法令的變遷在課程教材不足的部分會透過教育協導的方式。所以部長我要建議你們\n\n04:29.531 --> 04:49.258\n此犯罪類型每年都在攀升,逐年攀升,不會斷。因為我們想我們司法是最後的一個審判的一個手段。所以我自己是法律人,我也很不贊成說什麼都丟給這個甲官丟給司法院去做最終的一個制裁。\n\n04:49.858 --> 05:19.050\n是我們前端就要做好啊是所以我看到你的整篇報道裡面對於這些我們常看到的刑事的犯罪類型你有做這方面的法治的教育嗎那你講的都是人權啦民主啦委員真的剛才你談到的包括詐騙的案件的部分對啊其實我們跟警政署跟法務部其實都有收集到這些犯罪的形態跟樣態我們也製作懶人包製作短影影音等等會提供給學校在教學上可以運用\n\n05:19.770 --> 05:42.238\n有作有好我是覺得要再加強是好我再問你啦我想我們最近也發生了這個很多校園呢在校園裡面在課堂這個啊這個呃教室裡面就毆打老師啊這個學生啊毆打老師還有這個學生呢啊被這個霸凌也被毆打是兩個兩個打一個啊這些事件啊\n\n05:42.938 --> 06:09.638\n但是我在那個流傳的影片當中我看不到說有任何人去這個制止這件事情甚至也沒有看到我們的老師出面請問面臨這種事情這種事情那我們在校園裡面發生這種事情難道我們的師長我們的教官都沒有一個通報的機制嗎我看到孩子們都坐在那邊沒有人要管啊還拿著手機在錄沒有人去救他\n\n06:10.799 --> 06:31.092\n到底這個好像如何來這個遏止的即時上不要繼續再打下去啊是跟委員報告其實這個在發生狀況的現在學校的學班級的幹部應該可以立刻跟隔壁班老師說或者立刻跟學務處桌通報其實是有的只是畫面上看不到有嗎有有有有有有\n\n06:32.252 --> 06:59.925\n那你們如果說是當然你們要有一個通報機制那你該說有那你實際上有沒有任何的一個要點或是任何的一個法規上的一個規範我們目前這個部分是有那個作業流程有一個作業流程您希望您這個就提供給我好提供給我那我想那個請那個刑事局我們周局長那我想同樣的一個同樣這樣的一個案例\n\n07:01.055 --> 07:21.362\n那局長你有看過那影片嗎?有看到對那像這種事情發生刑事犯罪在我們校園裡面在課堂裡面公然發生那我也沒看到我們警察介入啊學校要如何跟您通報這個是他們要跟我們通報學校要跟我們分局要來通報我們就會來\n\n07:22.282 --> 07:47.027\n通報的機制是請你說明一下因為我們就是他會跟我們分局就是學校的那個老師或是他們的這個輔導單位要跟我們跟我們的分局裡面的這個轄區分局的派出所分局就是分局裡面的這個所以其實我這樣講其實我們看到就是在畫面上都人都已經被打了啦是所以我是說如何遏止這一塊我們如何精進啊\n\n07:48.404 --> 07:49.765\n但這個不一定是沒有效還是會有發生啊?\n\n08:10.025 --> 08:31.519\n會有它的效果,事實上這個發生的個案是非常少,只是你看到了,但事實上不是那麼多常常發生的事。其實我今天要跟你講,我昨天才一個,還一個二十幾歲年輕人跟我講,他的這個共同服兵役的這個,他的朋友告訴他,他們那個學校啊,他們那個學校有小朋友書包裡面裝槍啊,帶著槍去學校。\n\n08:35.350 --> 08:39.992\n我還是希望說我們的學校還有我們的警察警政單位要這個如果通報的機制要做好我們本來就有你看到下面的留言大家是怎麼罵的\n\n09:03.106 --> 09:22.397\n真的我想這部分要精進啦吼OK好那我要想再談一下我們的一個因為今天的主題招委派的主題啦是青少年法治教育與犯罪防制的成效但是我還是要強調除了法治教育以外我們道德的教育是否更應該被重視\n\n09:28.183 --> 09:48.614\n道德教育應該更重視嗎?是不是?不像法律是最後的手段。孩子的品德教育、道德教育才是我們人格發展過程中最重要的啦。從小有教好他長大就不會這個價值觀就不會扭曲了。與其告訴孩子打人會被抓器官\n\n09:49.834 --> 10:11.429\n為何我們不教孩子帶人處事要蹲後?與其告訴孩子偷竊詐騙會被抓去關,為何不教孩子要天道酬勤,不貪圖急功近利?與其告訴孩子少年性剝削會抓去關,為何不教孩子應該尊重別人並以禮相待?所以我要請問司長,您認為\n\n10:13.630 --> 10:28.957\n道德教育是不是也能匡正我們社會風氣而預防犯罪的重要的一個因素?深表贊同。所以教育部啊,到底對這個道德教育你們做了哪些努力啊?\n\n10:30.029 --> 10:50.905\n跟委員說明,路東剛才前面有說的,其實法治教育跟品德教育這幾個不同的面向其實是一起在課程都要來落實的。市長我跟您分享一下,前陣子那個國中生殺害同學的案件,那個乾妹妹事後她在網路上發表了一些怨懟的言辭,\n\n10:52.006 --> 11:06.456\n他認為他沒有錯並悲秋傷春地感嘆他的干哥哥為他的付出那個是非價值觀扭曲到這種程度啊所以我想只靠法治教育這根本是治標不治本啊\n\n11:07.236 --> 11:26.170\n所以我想教育部你真的要努力我們再繼續努力那我們剛才講到詐欺犯的問題我想司法院的一個統計表裡面講說最近5年詐欺犯的這個吸收案件在107年詐欺案件只有3254件112年高達6323件看長了這個double成長\n\n11:35.925 --> 11:45.028\n所以炸棄犯為什麼會那麼多教育部有沒有思考過炸棄犯為什麼而且都是我們青少年犯為什麼那麼多\n\n11:47.348 --> 12:08.586\n如同剛才前面所探討其實網路的因素現在很多資訊容易串聯聯繫是很大的關係所以這些訊息很容易...市長不能推給網路現在就是說你們要如何教育我們的下一代這種事情啦做這種事情啦很沒道德的啦不是只有法制很沒有道德啦現在孩子他甚至我騙人家沒有關係啊\n\n12:09.867 --> 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