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00:02:29,020\n少佳法院雖然只管轄高雄地區但經過我們這些年來的運作我們發現說少年家事法院它其實是一個問題解決型的法庭還有跟療育是司法那跟很多的行政的政策必須配合相關那所以經過這樣一個委員你想如果我們每一個指甲室都設一個少佳法院\n\n8\n00:02:29,740 --> 00:02:43,675\n雖然可以對應每一個直轄市、縣市政府但是非直轄市的縣市政府可能就沒有辦法得到平等的司法的給付。因為按照現在的法律裡面的規定就是直轄市必須要設少年法院\n\n9\n00:02:46,798 --> 00:03:15,044\n而不是說是一個北中南等等這些區域北中南東區去設置這個少年專業法院所以我認為說其實司法院應該還是要符合法律原來的規定該在直轄市設就在直轄市設而且我相信可能直轄市裡面的少年犯罪案件的比例也會比其他縣市要來得多那麼如果說是可以就是先在符合我們現在少事法的要求\n\n10\n00:03:16,024 --> 00:03:31,090\n朝下在直轄市可以去設置少年法院我覺得會是比較好的一個方式否則你現在北部的話是怎麼樣是這個可以管北北基的這個相關的這個犯罪案件嗎\n\n11\n00:03:31,910 --> 00:03:56,270\n還是你們的這個北部的概念北部的邵家專業法院是涵蓋哪幾個區域是的就是目前司法院已經成立一個規劃評估成立北部邵家法院的工作小組那是由副秘書長擔任召集人我是副召集人那跟委員報告就是目前比如說我們目前規劃是要把北部地區的法院那以北北基桃\n\n12\n00:03:57,570 --> 00:04:16,935\n與這五個法院的院區去做一個體質性的盤點。然後另外一個部分是為什麽把這個就是去考慮評估和射呢?因為從人塊桶的角度其實是有一條邊的這個就是各方面的一個需要的一個業務的評估。所以我們當然是朝這方面去做一個多方的評估。\n\n13\n00:04:17,375 --> 00:04:40,404\n好謝謝那麼除了就是說有關於法院的專業法院的設置之外另外就是有關於原額的配置的問題那麼其實在司法院今年提出的來提出的立法計劃裡面只有講到要增加法院法官助理的這個原額那不知道現在邵家這個聽這邊有沒有已經向司法院有呈報你們希望增加多少的原額\n\n14\n00:04:41,184 --> 00:04:54,988\n而根委員報告就是我們在2月份有送到司法法制委員會的一個成立北部少家法院的一個縮帖那其中的光北少家法院我們大概評估就至少需要835個835個對然後還有我們要增\n\n15\n00:04:57,849 --> 00:05:25,152\n全國的少掉寶的這些調查保護的補助人力就大概要380個所以這個目前呢依照我們司法院現在剩下的492個元額就是遠遠不足的只是看你們現在實際上的編制應該是大概還有1000多個元額不過就是說是因為你們剛剛講的是要成立這個北部的專業法院所以我建議你們必須要整體的再去思考考是不是還是朝向\n\n16\n00:05:25,572 --> 00:05:27,795\n因為我接下來還要問的就是有關於邵家法官的領選的問題依照\n\n17\n00:05:40,529 --> 00:05:51,776\n審查院在110年的時候曾經有做個調查報告當時司法院有表示說一年內會修正相關的法令然後成立少年法官遴選委員會請問一下你們已經成立了這個遴選委員會嗎這個公委員報告因為這個就是目前的這個遴選辦法我們正在快馬加鞭的在評估當中如果將來北邵家我們要透過這個遴選辦法去遴選4個的這個邵家法官\n\n18\n00:06:07,205 --> 00:06:17,391\n是你們的動作太慢了111年年底做出來的報告給你們一年的時間理論上都已經戒齊了那麼但是你們現在的這個領選委員會組織也沒有產生然後相關的這個領選還只是個要點那麼同時我也有發現你們要求的這個少年法官的專業訓練\n\n19\n00:06:27,196 --> 00:06:53,930\n只是要參加三年之內也就是三年之內要參加60個小時的研習時數就能夠取得少年法官的專業證照證明書這個部分我覺得其實是好像太寬鬆了三年內才進行相關的60個研習時數然後核心的這個課程也只要12個小時其實這個對於培訓少年法官來講是遠遠不足的我也希望邵家庭\n\n20\n00:06:54,090 --> 00:06:54,550\n請教育部的吳司長\n\n21\n00:07:23,261 --> 00:07:38,049\n我想請吳司長這邊可以看一下我們這個畫面上面所顯示的圖片我們知道其實現在從109年到111年的意外事件裡面學生自殺跟刺傷的事件是屢屢攀高\n\n22\n00:07:39,850 --> 00:07:40,030\n提供任何報告．\n\n23\n00:07:58,041 --> 00:08:08,370\n突發事件的這個危機介入輔導追蹤機制是非常重要的那這裡面呢也會涉及到就是說各個學校裡面的專業輔導人員是否配置足夠的問題請問一下您認為說現在我們各級學校裡面的專業輔導人員包含這個心理諮商師的配置是足夠的嗎\n\n24\n00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:45,934\n不是太夠不太夠學生輔導法有規定我們從106年逐年增設人力之後每5年要檢討一次所以我們在111年的時候其實做過一個全面性的檢討當初的檢討就覺得是不夠因為如同剛才委員所說的這些案件一直在攀升求助的人數也在逐漸增加所以其實輔導人力負擔相當重所以目前已經有提出具體的建議在輔導人力的部分要來做增加\n\n25\n00:08:47,215 --> 00:09:00,643\n在你現在的學生輔導法第11條裡面其實可以看到國中小以下像55班以上要至少這個設置輔導人員到高中大學等等都各有現在的這個設置的最低的這個門檻\n\n26\n00:09:03,304 --> 00:09:20,810\n我認為說其實教育部這邊應該要趕快去檢討看起來現在的人數配置就是明顯不足尤其是大學我們剛剛看了前一張圖就知道其實大學生自殺、自傷、死亡的比例是非常高的\n\n27\n00:09:21,590 --> 00:09:31,333\n那我在大學教書這些年我也知道其實學校的這個學生求助於資商輔導中心的人數是屢屢攀升由此可見其實薪資資商輔導師是非常他的需求量是非常高的那這個部分的話應該要盡快檢討有什麼樣的方案了嗎現行的法規是1200個學生要設一位那目前想要檢討調整變成900個就要設一位\n\n28\n00:09:48,658 --> 00:10:07,487\n九百個?是,那這個復禱法目前已經修法的條文已經在行政院審查中那審查通過就會送立法院那我們有採用行政先行的方式透過預算補助的方式希望幫助學校提早到位那目前大專院校已經有50%的學校其實已經提早到900比1了\n\n29\n00:10:08,807 --> 00:10:21,131\n還有1⁄4至1,000比1還有1⁄4還在努力中我們希望將來法能修正通過後就會具有強制性搭配教育部所挹注的專業輔導人力補助經費來幫助提早到位\n\n30\n00:10:23,971 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請問一下您認為說現在我們各級學校裡面的專業輔導人員包含這個心理諮商師的配置是足夠的嗎\n不是太夠不太夠學生輔導法有規定我們從106年逐年增設人力之後每5年要檢討一次所以我們在111年的時候其實做過一個全面性的檢討當初的檢討就覺得是不夠因為如同剛才委員所說的這些案件一直在攀升求助的人數也在逐漸增加所以其實輔導人力負擔相當重所以目前已經有提出具體的建議在輔導人力的部分要來做增加\n在你現在的學生輔導法第11條裡面其實可以看到國中小以下像55班以上要至少這個設置輔導人員到高中大學等等都各有現在的這個設置的最低的這個門檻\n我認為說其實教育部這邊應該要趕快去檢討看起來現在的人數配置就是明顯不足尤其是大學我們剛剛看了前一張圖就知道其實大學生自殺、自傷、死亡的比例是非常高的\n那我在大學教書這些年我也知道其實學校的這個學生求助於資商輔導中心的人數是屢屢攀升由此可見其實薪資資商輔導師是非常他的需求量是非常高的那這個部分的話應該要盡快檢討有什麼樣的方案了嗎現行的法規是1200個學生要設一位那目前想要檢討調整變成900個就要設一位\n九百個?是,那這個復禱法目前已經修法的條文已經在行政院審查中那審查通過就會送立法院那我們有採用行政先行的方式透過預算補助的方式希望幫助學校提早到位那目前大專院校已經有50%的學校其實已經提早到900比1了\n還有1⁄4至1,000比1還有1⁄4還在努力中我們希望將來法能修正通過後就會具有強制性搭配教育部所挹注的專業輔導人力補助經費來幫助提早到位\n提供詳細資訊。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.967 --> 00:15.538\n主席好。有請邵家廷的謝廷長。請謝廷長。\n\n00:23.834 --> 00:46.674\n您好。是,謝天祥您好。我想這些年來少年犯罪的事件不斷地攀升。不僅事前的預防防制很重要。那對於就是這個相關的犯罪案件法院人力這裡是否充足的問題那本席也非常關心。那在這邊有幾個問題我想要就叫\n\n00:49.937 --> 01:06.050\n謝庭長,不知道現在司法院的處理狀況如何?那首先就是我們知道其實到目前為止除了高雄市有少年法院之外其他各縣市都還是用少年法庭的方式\n\n01:07.450 --> 01:26.781\n來審理相關的案子。據我所了解現在司法院似乎也有要設置專責的少年法院但是很奇怪的就是說依照我們的少事法的規定應該是要在直轄市設置少年法院\n\n01:27.481 --> 01:38.349\n但是現在看起來司法院這裡的規劃是打算只成立北部的這個少年法院可不可以請你說明一下為什麼不在直轄縣試射我說明一下謝謝委員關注這個專業法院的一個設置的問題那少司法呢這個部分它是在86年就是當時謝啟大立委在國會推動的\n\n01:51.519 --> 02:05.629\n那當時大概就是99年也做成了一個立法院做成特別局域就希望能夠盡速的在直轄市都設少年法院是那呃那後來其實呃101年現在是事件法上路那目前呢高雄呃\n\n02:06.710 --> 02:29.020\n少佳法院雖然只管轄高雄地區但經過我們這些年來的運作我們發現說少年家事法院它其實是一個問題解決型的法庭還有跟療育是司法那跟很多的行政的政策必須配合相關那所以經過這樣一個委員你想如果我們每一個指甲室都設一個少佳法院\n\n02:29.740 --> 02:43.675\n雖然可以對應每一個直轄市、縣市政府但是非直轄市的縣市政府可能就沒有辦法得到平等的司法的給付。因為按照現在的法律裡面的規定就是直轄市必須要設少年法院\n\n02:46.798 --> 03:15.044\n而不是說是一個北中南等等這些區域北中南東區去設置這個少年專業法院所以我認為說其實司法院應該還是要符合法律原來的規定該在直轄市設就在直轄市設而且我相信可能直轄市裡面的少年犯罪案件的比例也會比其他縣市要來得多那麼如果說是可以就是先在符合我們現在少事法的要求\n\n03:16.024 --> 03:31.090\n朝下在直轄市可以去設置少年法院我覺得會是比較好的一個方式否則你現在北部的話是怎麼樣是這個可以管北北基的這個相關的這個犯罪案件嗎\n\n03:31.910 --> 03:56.270\n還是你們的這個北部的概念北部的邵家專業法院是涵蓋哪幾個區域是的就是目前司法院已經成立一個規劃評估成立北部邵家法院的工作小組那是由副秘書長擔任召集人我是副召集人那跟委員報告就是目前比如說我們目前規劃是要把北部地區的法院那以北北基桃\n\n03:57.570 --> 04:16.935\n與這五個法院的院區去做一個體質性的盤點。然後另外一個部分是為什麽把這個就是去考慮評估和射呢?因為從人塊桶的角度其實是有一條邊的這個就是各方面的一個需要的一個業務的評估。所以我們當然是朝這方面去做一個多方的評估。\n\n04:17.375 --> 04:40.404\n好謝謝那麼除了就是說有關於法院的專業法院的設置之外另外就是有關於原額的配置的問題那麼其實在司法院今年提出的來提出的立法計劃裡面只有講到要增加法院法官助理的這個原額那不知道現在邵家這個聽這邊有沒有已經向司法院有呈報你們希望增加多少的原額\n\n04:41.184 --> 04:54.988\n而根委員報告就是我們在2月份有送到司法法制委員會的一個成立北部少家法院的一個縮帖那其中的光北少家法院我們大概評估就至少需要835個835個對然後還有我們要增\n\n04:57.849 --> 05:25.152\n全國的少掉寶的這些調查保護的補助人力就大概要380個所以這個目前呢依照我們司法院現在剩下的492個元額就是遠遠不足的只是看你們現在實際上的編制應該是大概還有1000多個元額不過就是說是因為你們剛剛講的是要成立這個北部的專業法院所以我建議你們必須要整體的再去思考考是不是還是朝向\n\n05:25.572 --> 05:27.795\n因為我接下來還要問的就是有關於邵家法官的領選的問題依照\n\n05:40.529 --> 05:51.776\n審查院在110年的時候曾經有做個調查報告當時司法院有表示說一年內會修正相關的法令然後成立少年法官遴選委員會請問一下你們已經成立了這個遴選委員會嗎這個公委員報告因為這個就是目前的這個遴選辦法我們正在快馬加鞭的在評估當中如果將來北邵家我們要透過這個遴選辦法去遴選4個的這個邵家法官\n\n06:07.205 --> 06:17.391\n是你們的動作太慢了111年年底做出來的報告給你們一年的時間理論上都已經戒齊了那麼但是你們現在的這個領選委員會組織也沒有產生然後相關的這個領選還只是個要點那麼同時我也有發現你們要求的這個少年法官的專業訓練\n\n06:27.196 --> 06:53.930\n只是要參加三年之內也就是三年之內要參加60個小時的研習時數就能夠取得少年法官的專業證照證明書這個部分我覺得其實是好像太寬鬆了三年內才進行相關的60個研習時數然後核心的這個課程也只要12個小時其實這個對於培訓少年法官來講是遠遠不足的我也希望邵家庭\n\n06:54.090 --> 06:54.550\n請教育部的吳司長\n\n07:23.261 --> 07:38.049\n我想請吳司長這邊可以看一下我們這個畫面上面所顯示的圖片我們知道其實現在從109年到111年的意外事件裡面學生自殺跟刺傷的事件是屢屢攀高\n\n07:39.850 --> 07:40.030\n提供任何報告．\n\n07:58.041 --> 08:08.370\n突發事件的這個危機介入輔導追蹤機制是非常重要的那這裡面呢也會涉及到就是說各個學校裡面的專業輔導人員是否配置足夠的問題請問一下您認為說現在我們各級學校裡面的專業輔導人員包含這個心理諮商師的配置是足夠的嗎\n\n08:18.289 --> 08:45.934\n不是太夠不太夠學生輔導法有規定我們從106年逐年增設人力之後每5年要檢討一次所以我們在111年的時候其實做過一個全面性的檢討當初的檢討就覺得是不夠因為如同剛才委員所說的這些案件一直在攀升求助的人數也在逐漸增加所以其實輔導人力負擔相當重所以目前已經有提出具體的建議在輔導人力的部分要來做增加\n\n08:47.215 --> 09:00.643\n在你現在的學生輔導法第11條裡面其實可以看到國中小以下像55班以上要至少這個設置輔導人員到高中大學等等都各有現在的這個設置的最低的這個門檻\n\n09:03.304 --> 09:20.810\n我認為說其實教育部這邊應該要趕快去檢討看起來現在的人數配置就是明顯不足尤其是大學我們剛剛看了前一張圖就知道其實大學生自殺、自傷、死亡的比例是非常高的\n\n09:21.590 --> 09:31.333\n那我在大學教書這些年我也知道其實學校的這個學生求助於資商輔導中心的人數是屢屢攀升由此可見其實薪資資商輔導師是非常他的需求量是非常高的那這個部分的話應該要盡快檢討有什麼樣的方案了嗎現行的法規是1200個學生要設一位那目前想要檢討調整變成900個就要設一位\n\n09:48.658 --> 10:07.487\n九百個?是,那這個復禱法目前已經修法的條文已經在行政院審查中那審查通過就會送立法院那我們有採用行政先行的方式透過預算補助的方式希望幫助學校提早到位那目前大專院校已經有50%的學校其實已經提早到900比1了\n\n10:08.807 --> 10:21.131\n還有1⁄4至1,000比1還有1⁄4還在努力中我們希望將來法能修正通過後就會具有強制性搭配教育部所挹注的專業輔導人力補助經費來幫助提早到位\n\n10:23.971 --> 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