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00:02:05,960\n所以很明顯就是說經濟部也有發布過澄清的這個新聞稿指出說核電要符合永續分類的標準的條件非常嚴苛那其中之一就是我們必須要在2050前找到高階核廢最終處置的設施\n\n7\n00:02:08,161 --> 00:02:31,016\n目前全球第一個高階核廢最終儲置場就是在芬蘭的安克羅河廢料的儲存庫它是花了50年讓居民參與討論得到當地社群的認可才有辦法設置台灣地狹人稠又處在地震帶核廢料永久的儲置場\n\n8\n00:02:31,476 --> 00:02:31,636\n李慧琼議員\n\n9\n00:02:47,501 --> 00:02:47,701\n主席\n\n10\n00:03:13,068 --> 00:03:37,367\n在核廢料難以處理那也實質造成臺灣核電廠運作上和困難的情況之下要求核電廠研議你覺得是不是太過草率這個部分其實就是需要很大社會很大的共識也其實也是最困難的地方所以研議其實它面臨了很多這個大家要面臨的一些困難跟課題\n\n11\n00:03:39,689 --> 00:04:04,082\n所以他們完全是從這個需求面來講當然那所以主委也應該認同說如果我們還不積極去著手這個核電廠的這個廚藝跟核廢料的這個管理處置那當然核廢料就是成為我們下一代的未解的難題嘛所以最終還是核廢料這個事情就是很難解決\n\n12\n00:04:05,203 --> 00:04:05,524\n日本政府從2023年起\n\n13\n00:04:23,345 --> 00:04:23,525\n主任委員會主席\n\n14\n00:04:52,992 --> 00:05:19,545\n中國也有相當多座的核電廠．他們都蓋在離台灣很近的東南沿岸根據媒體報導．包含2022年中國核電廠．所排放的廢水．他們的放射性的物質的傳含量．跟東京電廠福島第一核電廠．處理水一年計畫排除而上限相比．其實最多高達9倍以上\n\n15\n00:05:20,345 --> 00:05:49,210\n那相較日本他們會自行把數據即時公開上網：提供資料給其他鄰近的國家做進行監測參考使用可是中國中國他有曾有許多的資訊對國際公開透明的這種例子所以我們要如何取得中國關於放射性水污水的排放資訊以及我們台灣周遭海陸域的這個放射性物質的監控\n\n16\n00:05:49,830 --> 00:06:03,896\n主委這個部分我剛才提到在我們的海域有107個點那包含馬祖澎湖這個馬祖金門澎湖外島那另外環境輻射站我們有120個站那120個站也包含外島\n\n17\n00:06:07,677 --> 00:06:07,697\n好．\n\n18\n00:06:30,888 --> 00:06:45,035\n所以相信台灣其實是有足夠的能力去來自主的監測我們周遭有多少放射性物質那除了日本那中國的這個核污水排放的監控當然也是我們重點剛剛主委也有報告\n\n19\n00:06:48,356 --> 00:07:08,391\n根據我們辦公室跟核安會詢問後的答覆有提到說會提升這個西岸這個海流廠的分析能力那今年第4季我們將完成中國沿岸核電廠排放的這個案例研析那評估他的穿廢水排放的這個可能擴散的分布狀況\n\n20\n00:07:09,632 --> 00:07:17,796\n在已經知道他們的穿水排放量相當多的前提下我想可不可以提前來完成這樣的一個分析計畫\n\n21\n00:07:19,219 --> 00:07:38,915\n我們來努力這個是一個復雜的科學問題我們之前在做北太平洋穿廢水的部分我有聽過他們詳細的報告這個部分我們會來做西部海岸是國研院跟氣象署在合作的一個案子好\n\n22\n00:07:40,856 --> 00:07:51,921\n同樣我想跟這個輻射偵測的作業有關就是我們核安會跨部會合作下我們分成三階段的國家海域計畫那其中在2023到2026年的應對期當中\n\n23\n00:07:56,122 --> 00:08:07,432\n提到寒川沸水相關資訊將結合科普展社群媒體等多元方式去做推廣請教主委我們現在除了臉書粉絲專頁有一個河安會輻射小站有資訊可以傳達這個效果\n\n24\n00:08:14,698 --> 00:08:30,715\n計劃中的科普展以及推廣的教育內容目前我們除了看到粉磚發布可能會去雲林谷坑今年度還有沒有其他的規劃有沒有辦法也把中國川水排放的監控內容把它納入\n\n25\n00:08:31,495 --> 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核能廠的廚藝跟核廢料的處理成本相當的高\n主委你認為呢?\n所以很明顯就是說經濟部也有發布過澄清的這個新聞稿指出說核電要符合永續分類的標準的條件非常嚴苛那其中之一就是我們必須要在2050前找到高階核廢最終處置的設施\n目前全球第一個高階核廢最終儲置場就是在芬蘭的安克羅河廢料的儲存庫它是花了50年讓居民參與討論得到當地社群的認可才有辦法設置台灣地狹人稠又處在地震帶核廢料永久的儲置場\n李慧琼議員\n主席\n在核廢料難以處理那也實質造成臺灣核電廠運作上和困難的情況之下要求核電廠研議你覺得是不是太過草率這個部分其實就是需要很大社會很大的共識也其實也是最困難的地方所以研議其實它面臨了很多這個大家要面臨的一些困難跟課題\n所以他們完全是從這個需求面來講當然那所以主委也應該認同說如果我們還不積極去著手這個核電廠的這個廚藝跟核廢料的這個管理處置那當然核廢料就是成為我們下一代的未解的難題嘛所以最終還是核廢料這個事情就是很難解決\n日本政府從2023年起\n主任委員會主席\n中國也有相當多座的核電廠．他們都蓋在離台灣很近的東南沿岸根據媒體報導．包含2022年中國核電廠．所排放的廢水．他們的放射性的物質的傳含量．跟東京電廠福島第一核電廠．處理水一年計畫排除而上限相比．其實最多高達9倍以上\n那相較日本他們會自行把數據即時公開上網：提供資料給其他鄰近的國家做進行監測參考使用可是中國中國他有曾有許多的資訊對國際公開透明的這種例子所以我們要如何取得中國關於放射性水污水的排放資訊以及我們台灣周遭海陸域的這個放射性物質的監控\n主委這個部分我剛才提到在我們的海域有107個點那包含馬祖澎湖這個馬祖金門澎湖外島那另外環境輻射站我們有120個站那120個站也包含外島\n好．\n所以相信台灣其實是有足夠的能力去來自主的監測我們周遭有多少放射性物質那除了日本那中國的這個核污水排放的監控當然也是我們重點剛剛主委也有報告\n根據我們辦公室跟核安會詢問後的答覆有提到說會提升這個西岸這個海流廠的分析能力那今年第4季我們將完成中國沿岸核電廠排放的這個案例研析那評估他的穿廢水排放的這個可能擴散的分布狀況\n在已經知道他們的穿水排放量相當多的前提下我想可不可以提前來完成這樣的一個分析計畫\n我們來努力這個是一個復雜的科學問題我們之前在做北太平洋穿廢水的部分我有聽過他們詳細的報告這個部分我們會來做西部海岸是國研院跟氣象署在合作的一個案子好\n同樣我想跟這個輻射偵測的作業有關就是我們核安會跨部會合作下我們分成三階段的國家海域計畫那其中在2023到2026年的應對期當中\n提到寒川沸水相關資訊將結合科普展社群媒體等多元方式去做推廣請教主委我們現在除了臉書粉絲專頁有一個河安會輻射小站有資訊可以傳達這個效果\n計劃中的科普展以及推廣的教育內容目前我們除了看到粉磚發布可能會去雲林谷坑今年度還有沒有其他的規劃有沒有辦法也把中國川水排放的監控內容把它納入\n我們目前正在建置新的網頁新版的網頁其實已經進行大概三分之二了我想在大概兩個月的期間我們會全部上線那我們內部其實有一塊科普的專區那麼會把所有的資訊放在裡面那剛才委員也有別的委員也有提到這個YouTube的影片這個品質不是很好我們會一併做更新好\n謝謝主委謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.229 --> 00:20.450\n同時在我們三座運轉或廚藝當中的這個核電廠那其實我們的地理環境上我們跟日本有類同的背景那台灣的特殊的地理環境以及對於核電廠核能安全的掌握我想主委肯定深深的了解那接下來我想跟您討論的就是說\n\n00:21.811 --> 00:50.253\n這次的會期有委員提案但本期認為這有很多的疑義跟有欠缺考量的議案有委員認為說為了兼顧淨零碳排跟再生能源的轉型所以他會提出核子反應器設施管制法第6條條文的修正草案不過這條提案所引用的資料之一是歐盟將核能納入永續分類的說法可是歐盟之而會卻也是\n\n00:51.414 --> 00:52.154\n本席認為,擁有\n\n01:07.384 --> 01:11.928\n本週二陳建仁院長接受謝榮介委員質詢的時候．他也有回應核能廠的廚藝跟核廢料的處理成本相當的高\n\n01:27.521 --> 01:27.721\n主委你認為呢?\n\n01:48.131 --> 02:05.960\n所以很明顯就是說經濟部也有發布過澄清的這個新聞稿指出說核電要符合永續分類的標準的條件非常嚴苛那其中之一就是我們必須要在2050前找到高階核廢最終處置的設施\n\n02:08.161 --> 02:31.016\n目前全球第一個高階核廢最終儲置場就是在芬蘭的安克羅河廢料的儲存庫它是花了50年讓居民參與討論得到當地社群的認可才有辦法設置台灣地狹人稠又處在地震帶核廢料永久的儲置場\n\n02:31.476 --> 02:31.636\n李慧琼議員\n\n02:47.501 --> 02:47.701\n主席\n\n03:13.068 --> 03:37.367\n在核廢料難以處理那也實質造成臺灣核電廠運作上和困難的情況之下要求核電廠研議你覺得是不是太過草率這個部分其實就是需要很大社會很大的共識也其實也是最困難的地方所以研議其實它面臨了很多這個大家要面臨的一些困難跟課題\n\n03:39.689 --> 04:04.082\n所以他們完全是從這個需求面來講當然那所以主委也應該認同說如果我們還不積極去著手這個核電廠的這個廚藝跟核廢料的這個管理處置那當然核廢料就是成為我們下一代的未解的難題嘛所以最終還是核廢料這個事情就是很難解決\n\n04:05.203 --> 04:05.524\n日本政府從2023年起\n\n04:23.345 --> 04:23.525\n主任委員會主席\n\n04:52.992 --> 05:19.545\n中國也有相當多座的核電廠．他們都蓋在離台灣很近的東南沿岸根據媒體報導．包含2022年中國核電廠．所排放的廢水．他們的放射性的物質的傳含量．跟東京電廠福島第一核電廠．處理水一年計畫排除而上限相比．其實最多高達9倍以上\n\n05:20.345 --> 05:49.210\n那相較日本他們會自行把數據即時公開上網：提供資料給其他鄰近的國家做進行監測參考使用可是中國中國他有曾有許多的資訊對國際公開透明的這種例子所以我們要如何取得中國關於放射性水污水的排放資訊以及我們台灣周遭海陸域的這個放射性物質的監控\n\n05:49.830 --> 06:03.896\n主委這個部分我剛才提到在我們的海域有107個點那包含馬祖澎湖這個馬祖金門澎湖外島那另外環境輻射站我們有120個站那120個站也包含外島\n\n06:07.677 --> 06:07.697\n好．\n\n06:30.888 --> 06:45.035\n所以相信台灣其實是有足夠的能力去來自主的監測我們周遭有多少放射性物質那除了日本那中國的這個核污水排放的監控當然也是我們重點剛剛主委也有報告\n\n06:48.356 --> 07:08.391\n根據我們辦公室跟核安會詢問後的答覆有提到說會提升這個西岸這個海流廠的分析能力那今年第4季我們將完成中國沿岸核電廠排放的這個案例研析那評估他的穿廢水排放的這個可能擴散的分布狀況\n\n07:09.632 --> 07:17.796\n在已經知道他們的穿水排放量相當多的前提下我想可不可以提前來完成這樣的一個分析計畫\n\n07:19.219 --> 07:38.915\n我們來努力這個是一個復雜的科學問題我們之前在做北太平洋穿廢水的部分我有聽過他們詳細的報告這個部分我們會來做西部海岸是國研院跟氣象署在合作的一個案子好\n\n07:40.856 --> 07:51.921\n同樣我想跟這個輻射偵測的作業有關就是我們核安會跨部會合作下我們分成三階段的國家海域計畫那其中在2023到2026年的應對期當中\n\n07:56.122 --> 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