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00:02:23,248\n市內柑主設施\n\n8\n00:02:53,452 --> 00:02:55,313\n主委,如果新北市政府繼續卡關的話,那你們怎麼辦呢?\n\n9\n00:03:16,172 --> 00:03:40,361\n那這個問題會變得有點困難那現在...變得有點困難?是好,那這不是很矛盾嗎?我們剛剛很多的委員就在談電的問題然後這邊又沒有辦法協助解決然後核廢料的部分連低階的都找不到最終儲存場那一再的讓我們原住民族群得不到公平正義\n\n10\n00:03:41,881 --> 00:03:46,583\n主委,您認為這個部分新北市政府可能什麼時候會同意?這個我沒辦法做...您有沒有把握?\n\n11\n00:04:07,329 --> 00:04:21,700\n我沒辦法做預測因為這牽扯到新北市政府跟台電雙方的這個訴訟現在在高等行政法院好那所以就是室外幹組跟室內幹組目前地方政府繼續卡關一樣是個暫時無解的問題嗎\n\n12\n00:04:26,063 --> 00:04:49,078\n那我想因為時間的緣故那無解的問題我們只希望就是核安會還是要強化監督啦那看用什麼樣的方法就是不要讓我們核廢料的處理遙遙無期好嗎我們知道這是政治問題但是我想核安會還是要把相關的訊息跟大眾做溝通好不好那這個無解的問題是政治問題的話大家應該要誠實誠懇的來面對\n\n13\n00:04:53,101 --> 00:05:13,879\n那再來呢我想請大家聽一下一個聲音這主委先不要回答不知道我們召委有沒有聽過這個聲音召委有聽過嗎那個羅志強委員有聽過這個聲音嗎\n\n14\n00:05:16,311 --> 00:05:20,114\n主委你解釋一下剛剛這是什麼聲音主委你不會不知道吧這個是一個緊急警報啦什麼東西的緊急警報\n\n15\n00:05:34,406 --> 00:05:35,607\n核子事故警報\n\n16\n00:06:05,086 --> 00:06:25,616\n河安會如何提升核子事故的警報、識別普及率是個我覺得還蠻大的問題那當然我看你們的事故這些事故也是河安會管的嘛演習也是你們管的你們有講到就是會先放剛剛這個我們羅志祥委員想說是電話沒接通的聲音之後\n\n17\n00:06:26,796 --> 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