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\"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:00,572 --> 00:00:02,423\n請田次長還有領路局和局長來局長\n\n2\n00:00:08,646 --> 00:00:18,130\n羅委員您早次長早次長我要延續上個禮拜的這個有關於這個結婚疫情面談的這個議題喔其實上個禮拜我們有稍稍做了一個討論就是有關於這個面談時間等待太久的這個問題那我們有看到就是說像東南亞當然就是我們疫情面談的最大宗那其中呢就是越南的人數是最多的然後從過去這麼多年我們來看的話越南幾乎除了疫情當中\n\n3\n00:00:37,657 --> 00:00:53,657\n之外其實都維持了每一年有6000多人的這個面談的人數那其他的國家像印尼、泰國、菲律賓人數雖然比較少可是至少的等待期都是要兩個月那越南越人數多那目前我們看到他們的等待期是長達半年\n\n4\n00:00:54,958 --> 00:00:59,780\n那柬埔寨雖然是說他們面談人數不多可是因為柬埔寨並沒有我們並沒有台灣外管在那裡所以他必須要到越南去面談那越南本身的人數已經很多了可是還要承接這個柬埔寨的這個面談人數所以柬埔寨的等待期也是高達這個長達半年\n\n5\n00:01:14,987 --> 00:01:35,346\n上個禮拜我們區長有提到就是說我們可能暫時會派一些人力到越南去紓解這個面談的這個篩測的這個問題因為上個禮拜因為時間的關係這部分沒有講得很詳細那本席這個部分的話是不是要請次長或是局長來回覆一下就是這個問題我們要如何紓解這個篩測的問題\n\n6\n00:01:38,968 --> 00:02:02,025\n我先回答一下首先要謝謝羅委員過去對新住民的權益真的是我覺得你非常非常的用心新住民也受到了很多鼓舞確實疫情結束以後結婚面談的數量是增加的我們也理解我們領悟局也做不時做滾動的檢討\n\n7\n00:02:03,246 --> 00:02:18,905\n那麼跟委員也報告這個週末我們就有同仁會飛到越南特別來處理結婚面談的這個事情當然了我們除了派人去以後我們整個流程看看要不做一些調整就是分兩道來走\n\n8\n00:02:21,008 --> 00:02:35,641\n如果他的文件比較沒有問題的不需要再進一步了解那個他管道就可以走所以這一部分可以紓解很多等待人的時間如果他的證件有一點需要另外查證\n\n9\n00:02:36,381 --> 00:02:36,521\n﹚羅美玲\n\n10\n00:02:56,263 --> 00:02:57,024\n委員會主席\n\n11\n00:03:16,938 --> 00:03:33,600\n謝謝次長的這個回覆其實這面談制度的這個檢討我跟其實上一屆我就一直不斷的跟我們李物吉這邊做了很多很多的討論那當然我今天非常開心就是說我們有看到了今天次長的這個回覆至少說我們說可能有些人可以免疫面談\n\n12\n00:03:34,722 --> 00:04:01,565\n有些人他沒有問題的我們讓他快速的通過面談那再來有問題的我們大概就是說可能要多花一點時間來跟他多了解那這部分我是覺得這是跨出了一個跨出了一個一大步因為像過去的話面談制度實施實施二十幾年以來其實裡面的面談的內容啦制度啦流程一直都沒有什麼在更動我在想說我們已經進行了二十幾年\n\n13\n00:04:02,085 --> 00:04:02,285\n外交部主管委員\n\n14\n00:04:28,283 --> 00:04:39,846\n目前我們說雖然說這個禮拜我們可能就要派助人力到越南去可是那也是暫時性的那我們也不能說你紓解了目前的這個狀況可是往後呢往後可能還是會有同樣這麼多的人要來申請這個面談那後面的問題我們還是要解決所以我在想流程讓他更加的快速便捷\n\n15\n00:04:50,909 --> 00:05:15,325\n應該就是我們要進行的就像次長剛剛所提到的那再來還有一點就是我想請問請問一點就是說好比如說像越南、泰國、印尼我們不知道手上有沒有一些數據就是說到底我們在面談的時候的那個通過率到底是多少次長你手上有沒有資料這部分有嗎還是局長我是不是可以請局長來代表回答一下\n\n16\n00:05:18,124 --> 00:05:45,392\n謝謝委員如果是單純回答通過率的部分我們平均的通過率結婚面談平均通過率大概是90%那所有的國家裡面我們的面談90%那有錢有一成左右是對像越南的部分有兩個管數他們大概是85%其實都是非常高的那一般上不通過的原因是什麼因為\n\n17\n00:05:46,172 --> 00:06:08,657\n我有看到就是說常常會有接到一些陳情或是投訴就是說我們明明講的都沒有問題啊可是問題就是不通過然後外管一般上給的回函就是給當事人回函就是有重要事實陳述不一大概就是一個很含糊的一句話告知對方連對方都不了解說為什麼他沒有通過\n\n18\n00:06:10,237 --> 00:06:37,853\n所以這個部分的話以後有沒有辦法就是說比較具體的告知告知對方就是說為什麼他不通過好當然是說我有看到就是說通過率如果按照局長你所講的是屬實的話那也算是不低可是有些人還是面臨一而再再而三不通過的問題所以這個的話那自己也不太知道為什麼發生了什麼事情那你們也好像也不會明確告知當事人到底為什麼他不能通過他為什麼不能通過\n\n19\n00:06:38,893 --> 00:07:02,001\n其實依照各國簽證的這個合法的這個通例基本上如果不許可的話基本上是政府沒有因為他是主權的行使他基本上不需要對當事人去做說明但是我們依照我們結婚面談的這個辦法就是依照這個命令上面其實有規範的非常清楚\n\n20\n00:07:02,641 --> 00:07:29,141\n是哪幾個項目是不會核發的那簡單來說譬如說他有這個通謀這個類似假結婚的狀態我們如果當事人的一方有做這樣的陳述的話或是我們有發現他的這個提供的這些相關的這個譬如單身證明等等這些佐證的文件是證明它是為假文件那這個也不會通過\n\n21\n00:07:30,362 --> 00:07:54,567\n所以我們是規定裡面是有明確規定在這種情況之下他是不會通過的那至於一般有有些case他們會說是不是過去有違停的情況其實那些並不是他所以就算說他是過去在台灣有這個就是違法停留或是滯留的這狀況其實不是造成他不能通過的主因嗎沒錯他不是對他不是\n\n22\n00:07:54,807 --> 00:08:21,006\n那如果說也許他要結婚的這對象也許是過去就是在臺灣的討議的這個移工所以這也不是成為他不能夠通過的理由基本上對因為就是說我們還是要從個案來看如果他情況是非常嚴重的那當然會外管他基於他領事財量權的關係他會去做個案的來看但是大致上他不會是主要的理由\n\n23\n00:08:21,499 --> 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局長\n羅委員您早次長早次長我要延續上個禮拜的這個有關於這個結婚疫情面談的這個議題喔其實上個禮拜我們有稍稍做了一個討論就是有關於這個面談時間等待太久的這個問題那我們有看到就是說像東南亞當然就是我們疫情面談的最大宗那其中呢就是越南的人數是最多的然後從過去這麼多年我們來看的話越南幾乎除了疫情當中\n之外其實都維持了每一年有6000多人的這個面談的人數那其他的國家像印尼、泰國、菲律賓人數雖然比較少可是至少的等待期都是要兩個月那越南越人數多那目前我們看到他們的等待期是長達半年\n那柬埔寨雖然是說他們面談人數不多可是因為柬埔寨並沒有我們並沒有台灣外管在那裡所以他必須要到越南去面談那越南本身的人數已經很多了可是還要承接這個柬埔寨的這個面談人數所以柬埔寨的等待期也是高達這個長達半年\n上個禮拜我們區長有提到就是說我們可能暫時會派一些人力到越南去紓解這個面談的這個篩測的這個問題因為上個禮拜因為時間的關係這部分沒有講得很詳細那本席這個部分的話是不是要請次長或是局長來回覆一下就是這個問題我們要如何紓解這個篩測的問題\n我先回答一下首先要謝謝羅委員過去對新住民的權益真的是我覺得你非常非常的用心新住民也受到了很多鼓舞確實疫情結束以後結婚面談的數量是增加的我們也理解我們領悟局也做不時做滾動的檢討\n那麼跟委員也報告這個週末我們就有同仁會飛到越南特別來處理結婚面談的這個事情當然了我們除了派人去以後我們整個流程看看要不做一些調整就是分兩道來走\n如果他的文件比較沒有問題的不需要再進一步了解那個他管道就可以走所以這一部分可以紓解很多等待人的時間如果他的證件有一點需要另外查證\n﹚羅美玲\n委員會主席\n謝謝次長的這個回覆其實這面談制度的這個檢討我跟其實上一屆我就一直不斷的跟我們李物吉這邊做了很多很多的討論那當然我今天非常開心就是說我們有看到了今天次長的這個回覆至少說我們說可能有些人可以免疫面談\n有些人他沒有問題的我們讓他快速的通過面談那再來有問題的我們大概就是說可能要多花一點時間來跟他多了解那這部分我是覺得這是跨出了一個跨出了一個一大步因為像過去的話面談制度實施實施二十幾年以來其實裡面的面談的內容啦制度啦流程一直都沒有什麼在更動我在想說我們已經進行了二十幾年\n外交部主管委員\n目前我們說雖然說這個禮拜我們可能就要派助人力到越南去可是那也是暫時性的那我們也不能說你紓解了目前的這個狀況可是往後呢往後可能還是會有同樣這麼多的人要來申請這個面談那後面的問題我們還是要解決所以我在想流程讓他更加的快速便捷\n應該就是我們要進行的就像次長剛剛所提到的那再來還有一點就是我想請問請問一點就是說好比如說像越南、泰國、印尼我們不知道手上有沒有一些數據就是說到底我們在面談的時候的那個通過率到底是多少次長你手上有沒有資料這部分有嗎還是局長我是不是可以請局長來代表回答一下\n謝謝委員如果是單純回答通過率的部分我們平均的通過率結婚面談平均通過率大概是90%那所有的國家裡面我們的面談90%那有錢有一成左右是對像越南的部分有兩個管數他們大概是85%其實都是非常高的那一般上不通過的原因是什麼因為\n我有看到就是說常常會有接到一些陳情或是投訴就是說我們明明講的都沒有問題啊可是問題就是不通過然後外管一般上給的回函就是給當事人回函就是有重要事實陳述不一大概就是一個很含糊的一句話告知對方連對方都不了解說為什麼他沒有通過\n所以這個部分的話以後有沒有辦法就是說比較具體的告知告知對方就是說為什麼他不通過好當然是說我有看到就是說通過率如果按照局長你所講的是屬實的話那也算是不低可是有些人還是面臨一而再再而三不通過的問題所以這個的話那自己也不太知道為什麼發生了什麼事情那你們也好像也不會明確告知當事人到底為什麼他不能通過他為什麼不能通過\n其實依照各國簽證的這個合法的這個通例基本上如果不許可的話基本上是政府沒有因為他是主權的行使他基本上不需要對當事人去做說明但是我們依照我們結婚面談的這個辦法就是依照這個命令上面其實有規範的非常清楚\n是哪幾個項目是不會核發的那簡單來說譬如說他有這個通謀這個類似假結婚的狀態我們如果當事人的一方有做這樣的陳述的話或是我們有發現他的這個提供的這些相關的這個譬如單身證明等等這些佐證的文件是證明它是為假文件那這個也不會通過\n所以我們是規定裡面是有明確規定在這種情況之下他是不會通過的那至於一般有有些case他們會說是不是過去有違停的情況其實那些並不是他所以就算說他是過去在台灣有這個就是違法停留或是滯留的這狀況其實不是造成他不能通過的主因嗎沒錯他不是對他不是\n那如果說也許他要結婚的這對象也許是過去就是在臺灣的討議的這個移工所以這也不是成為他不能夠通過的理由基本上對因為就是說我們還是要從個案來看如果他情況是非常嚴重的那當然會外管他基於他領事財量權的關係他會去做個案的來看但是大致上他不會是主要的理由\n所以不是主要原因,一般上來講的話就是他可能提供的文件有問題或是說他所陳述的這個內容有問題才造成他不能通過的主要原因可是往往當事人都不知道然後因為我們當然不通過的他會找我們投訴,透過的當然不會找我們所以說我們也很難去理解因為你們也不會提供任何的資料\n．羅美玲\n﹗\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.572 --> 00:02.423\n請田次長還有領路局和局長來局長\n\n00:08.646 --> 00:18.130\n羅委員您早次長早次長我要延續上個禮拜的這個有關於這個結婚疫情面談的這個議題喔其實上個禮拜我們有稍稍做了一個討論就是有關於這個面談時間等待太久的這個問題那我們有看到就是說像東南亞當然就是我們疫情面談的最大宗那其中呢就是越南的人數是最多的然後從過去這麼多年我們來看的話越南幾乎除了疫情當中\n\n00:37.657 --> 00:53.657\n之外其實都維持了每一年有6000多人的這個面談的人數那其他的國家像印尼、泰國、菲律賓人數雖然比較少可是至少的等待期都是要兩個月那越南越人數多那目前我們看到他們的等待期是長達半年\n\n00:54.958 --> 00:59.780\n那柬埔寨雖然是說他們面談人數不多可是因為柬埔寨並沒有我們並沒有台灣外管在那裡所以他必須要到越南去面談那越南本身的人數已經很多了可是還要承接這個柬埔寨的這個面談人數所以柬埔寨的等待期也是高達這個長達半年\n\n01:14.987 --> 01:35.346\n上個禮拜我們區長有提到就是說我們可能暫時會派一些人力到越南去紓解這個面談的這個篩測的這個問題因為上個禮拜因為時間的關係這部分沒有講得很詳細那本席這個部分的話是不是要請次長或是局長來回覆一下就是這個問題我們要如何紓解這個篩測的問題\n\n01:38.968 --> 02:02.025\n我先回答一下首先要謝謝羅委員過去對新住民的權益真的是我覺得你非常非常的用心新住民也受到了很多鼓舞確實疫情結束以後結婚面談的數量是增加的我們也理解我們領悟局也做不時做滾動的檢討\n\n02:03.246 --> 02:18.905\n那麼跟委員也報告這個週末我們就有同仁會飛到越南特別來處理結婚面談的這個事情當然了我們除了派人去以後我們整個流程看看要不做一些調整就是分兩道來走\n\n02:21.008 --> 02:35.641\n如果他的文件比較沒有問題的不需要再進一步了解那個他管道就可以走所以這一部分可以紓解很多等待人的時間如果他的證件有一點需要另外查證\n\n02:36.381 --> 02:36.521\n﹚羅美玲\n\n02:56.263 --> 02:57.024\n委員會主席\n\n03:16.938 --> 03:33.600\n謝謝次長的這個回覆其實這面談制度的這個檢討我跟其實上一屆我就一直不斷的跟我們李物吉這邊做了很多很多的討論那當然我今天非常開心就是說我們有看到了今天次長的這個回覆至少說我們說可能有些人可以免疫面談\n\n03:34.722 --> 04:01.565\n有些人他沒有問題的我們讓他快速的通過面談那再來有問題的我們大概就是說可能要多花一點時間來跟他多了解那這部分我是覺得這是跨出了一個跨出了一個一大步因為像過去的話面談制度實施實施二十幾年以來其實裡面的面談的內容啦制度啦流程一直都沒有什麼在更動我在想說我們已經進行了二十幾年\n\n04:02.085 --> 04:02.285\n外交部主管委員\n\n04:28.283 --> 04:39.846\n目前我們說雖然說這個禮拜我們可能就要派助人力到越南去可是那也是暫時性的那我們也不能說你紓解了目前的這個狀況可是往後呢往後可能還是會有同樣這麼多的人要來申請這個面談那後面的問題我們還是要解決所以我在想流程讓他更加的快速便捷\n\n04:50.909 --> 05:15.325\n應該就是我們要進行的就像次長剛剛所提到的那再來還有一點就是我想請問請問一點就是說好比如說像越南、泰國、印尼我們不知道手上有沒有一些數據就是說到底我們在面談的時候的那個通過率到底是多少次長你手上有沒有資料這部分有嗎還是局長我是不是可以請局長來代表回答一下\n\n05:18.124 --> 05:45.392\n謝謝委員如果是單純回答通過率的部分我們平均的通過率結婚面談平均通過率大概是90%那所有的國家裡面我們的面談90%那有錢有一成左右是對像越南的部分有兩個管數他們大概是85%其實都是非常高的那一般上不通過的原因是什麼因為\n\n05:46.172 --> 06:08.657\n我有看到就是說常常會有接到一些陳情或是投訴就是說我們明明講的都沒有問題啊可是問題就是不通過然後外管一般上給的回函就是給當事人回函就是有重要事實陳述不一大概就是一個很含糊的一句話告知對方連對方都不了解說為什麼他沒有通過\n\n06:10.237 --> 06:37.853\n所以這個部分的話以後有沒有辦法就是說比較具體的告知告知對方就是說為什麼他不通過好當然是說我有看到就是說通過率如果按照局長你所講的是屬實的話那也算是不低可是有些人還是面臨一而再再而三不通過的問題所以這個的話那自己也不太知道為什麼發生了什麼事情那你們也好像也不會明確告知當事人到底為什麼他不能通過他為什麼不能通過\n\n06:38.893 --> 07:02.001\n其實依照各國簽證的這個合法的這個通例基本上如果不許可的話基本上是政府沒有因為他是主權的行使他基本上不需要對當事人去做說明但是我們依照我們結婚面談的這個辦法就是依照這個命令上面其實有規範的非常清楚\n\n07:02.641 --> 07:29.141\n是哪幾個項目是不會核發的那簡單來說譬如說他有這個通謀這個類似假結婚的狀態我們如果當事人的一方有做這樣的陳述的話或是我們有發現他的這個提供的這些相關的這個譬如單身證明等等這些佐證的文件是證明它是為假文件那這個也不會通過\n\n07:30.362 --> 07:54.567\n所以我們是規定裡面是有明確規定在這種情況之下他是不會通過的那至於一般有有些case他們會說是不是過去有違停的情況其實那些並不是他所以就算說他是過去在台灣有這個就是違法停留或是滯留的這狀況其實不是造成他不能通過的主因嗎沒錯他不是對他不是\n\n07:54.807 --> 08:21.006\n那如果說也許他要結婚的這對象也許是過去就是在臺灣的討議的這個移工所以這也不是成為他不能夠通過的理由基本上對因為就是說我們還是要從個案來看如果他情況是非常嚴重的那當然會外管他基於他領事財量權的關係他會去做個案的來看但是大致上他不會是主要的理由\n\n08:21.499 --> 08:42.939\n所以不是主要原因,一般上來講的話就是他可能提供的文件有問題或是說他所陳述的這個內容有問題才造成他不能通過的主要原因可是往往當事人都不知道然後因為我們當然不通過的他會找我們投訴,透過的當然不會找我們所以說我們也很難去理解因為你們也不會提供任何的資料\n\n08:43.519 --> 08:43.559\n．羅美玲\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.572,"end":2.423,"text":"請田次長還有領路局和局長來 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