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00:02:05,769\n因為這個保齡茶室的問題啊這人心惶惶我直接跟部長說我就有接到選民反應啊他是素食者你要知道素食者餐廳選項是比較少的所以他其實到這個\n\n7\n00:02:07,349 --> 00:02:33,686\n這個信義區那邊去逛的時候他常常就到A13的保齡食堂所以他是常客所以當這個事件發生之後其實很多人都擔心那甚至不只是素食者擔心你也包括外面其他的人也擔心說到底他的原因是什麼也很擔心是不是別的餐廳有這個問題還是甚至有人講說是不是有切面人的下毒的問題目前的原因還不明所以很多人很擔心\n\n8\n00:02:34,767 --> 00:02:57,582\n在這個時候真的我覺得沒有必要去什麼是去攻擊什麼慢恩派啦那我覺得你說臺北市政府慢恩派剛剛其實部長有還原啊從這個3月24號這個接貨通報然後開始稽查然後3月25號、3月26號、3月27號其實包括稽查、再稽查跟停業\n\n9\n00:02:58,502 --> 00:03:14,330\n事實上都有一個作業的一個過程那剛剛部長也很清楚講說並沒有覺得說這個臺北市有所謂的慢拍的問題那我覺得這是一個處理問題很好的態度所以給部長一個肯定當然我這邊當然也要呼籲民進黨的朋友民進黨黨團不要在這個事實真相未明之前這麼急著跳進來就開始去做\n\n10\n00:03:25,736 --> 00:03:45,531\n這是攻擊誰慢半拍、慢N拍我覺得大可不必啦現在還是交給我們中央跟地方一起攜手把原因找出來是最重要的對不對因為後續的話如果查出原因的話那就要再往上去追查說可能擴及的範圍對對對對所以很多事情還是要中央地方一起配合來做\n\n11\n00:03:46,264 --> 00:04:05,965\n我覺得剛剛部長講到重點啦因為我剛剛也聽到部長在前面答詢的過程當中講到說我覺得大概可以分三塊如果部長你覺得還有更多你跟我補充目前原因追查的話第一個就是說您講說那個米酵菌栓的可能性很高嘛但是比較可惜是我目前沒有辦法進行嘛對不對\n\n12\n00:04:06,585 --> 00:04:23,898\n所以你等到你開始可以進行這樣檢驗結果出來你估要兩個禮拜嘛對不對所以這個說真的坦白講我覺得這個時間如果能再縮短就再縮短但是如果像農藥等等這一些我們的檢驗就可以比較這我講第二塊嘛就說\n\n13\n00:04:24,759 --> 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