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00:02:01,921\n是有歪例穿進去還是說裡面自己有什麼樣的事件是因為也不能這樣子反而造成我現在聽說最人心惶惶是賣果粉板條的業者啊對然後覺得是說這樣子是不是好莫名其妙突然間大家又對果粉汙名化來不敢吃河粉不敢吃板條可能是現在不敢這樣聽到因為目前有這些症狀出來通報過來通通都是到這一家去吃的\n\n6\n00:02:02,581 --> 00:02:26,048\n那到其他地方我們的有在賣...目前是沒有看到其他...好那這一定要釐清啦到底是保存問題還是說真的有加到什麼不該加的添加物還是怎麼樣的原因那另外因為媒體上面也報導是說這個保齡茶室啊他們有投保公共責任意外險以及附加食物中毒條款結果居然是到去年他就沒有再保了\n\n7\n00:02:26,580 --> 00:02:51,993\n對,好像是到期之後對,到期之後沒有再保那有沒有針對這個部分我們衛福部有沒有考慮說是不是未來這些餐廳業者有需要這樣子的一個保障本來我們就有要求只是說因為他停保也沒有跟就是說他這個到期也沒有通知我們所以我們並不知道說他的那我們的要求是法條的法規的要求還是\n\n8\n00:02:54,335 --> 00:03:20,396\n實案法第13條就是要求說像有商業登記有那個公司登記、工廠登記的餐飲業者都必須要有投保那這樣子是不是要先開罰我們會會什麼時候它的處罰是3到300萬對我們會立刻通知對你們會立刻通知對地方來開罰是本期為什麼會提醒就是說\n\n9\n00:03:21,803 --> 00:03:44,102\n我覺得是這樣子啦對我們很希望是說臺灣不管是業者不管是我們的一般的經營人士大家都是合理的面對食品安全但是每一次好像遇到一個問題之後才發覺是說原來我們應該做的其實很多時候法規也有限制很多時候指引也有出來但是怎麼會大家在執行過程當中便宜稀釋或是大事化小小事化無\n\n10\n00:03:44,502 --> 00:04:11,484\n那真的發生事情之後才發覺說這個也沒做到那也沒做到所以應該要執行公權力的時候請馬上執行公權力可以嗎好這我們馬上來辦理部長拉回來今天的一個主要也是社會安全網我覺得這很重要食品安全網、社會安全網都一樣重要本席想請教一下今天我也看到了你的這個報告也有講到說新北市府和臺北市府的部分但是昨天林萬義政委他開會的時候有講到\n\n11\n00:04:15,062 --> 00:04:26,633\n這裡到底在這個優化收出養的程序裡面我們是不是還是應該要由中央統一來做一些收出養的法規跟制度面的問題來調整\n\n12\n00:04:28,902 --> 00:04:51,915\n對這個在討論當中而且是要修兒權法那這部分的話即使已經討論到一個程度當然還有不同的意見要修法嘛所以說主要還是中央要一個上位的部分把這個兒權法給修法修法之後地方政府來去做落實跟執行對不對那有沒有進度原則上這個修法是有進度的什麼時候五月會提出\n\n13\n00:04:56,266 --> 00:05:24,725\n五月提出本部草案那送行政院會先預告預告之後的話收集意見之後的話那就會送法規會去做文字的修正那我們做了調整什麼時候能夠送到立法院我們一起來本席這邊也提出相關對應的版本我們也拜託召委如果有話衛黃委會趕快來排案我們趕快來修該補的破網趕快來補我預估大概在下半年可以送到下半年對\n\n14\n00:05:26,786 --> 00:05:51,415\n這個這個會期大概來不及這個會期來不及這個會期可能我們會研會喔因為520如果說內閣總辭新的內閣上了之後我們會要求再持續的總諮詢喔因為我們還有預告預告完之後要送那個預告相對來講這個應該是比較單純的一個修法嗎沒有但可能至於部長全文修正可能搞不好要60天的預告\n\n15\n00:05:51,735 --> 00:06:06,505\n部長但是本席還是強調啊因為現在已經看到問題那如果說我們都已經很明顯的知道是說這個是過去沒有補足的一個部分以前都是規定家內那這次反而看到是家外\n\n16\n00:06:07,205 --> 00:06:32,612\n那家外部分把那當然要修就一次把這個整個體制更健全但是不過報告委員這現在出問題的並不是只有靠修法才能夠處理比方說這一個個案本身它就是脆弱家庭脆弱家庭就有一些應該要做的事情那這一個部分的話我們檢討如果沒有做好的話那就應該是先把它做好這就不涉及修法\n\n17\n00:06:33,112 --> 00:06:41,347\n那效法是整個收出養的這個程序的話需要做一些檢討是所以我現在在講的就是\n\n18\n00:06:43,475 --> 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拉回來今天的一個主要也是社會安全網我覺得這很重要食品安全網、社會安全網都一樣重要本席想請教一下今天我也看到了你的這個報告也有講到說新北市府和臺北市府的部分但是昨天林萬義政委他開會的時候有講到\n255062\t266633\t這裡到底在這個優化收出養的程序裡面我們是不是還是應該要由中央統一來做一些收出養的法規跟制度面的問題來調整\n268902\t291915\t對這個在討論當中而且是要修兒權法那這部分的話即使已經討論到一個程度當然還有不同的意見要修法嘛所以說主要還是中央要一個上位的部分把這個兒權法給修法修法之後地方政府來去做落實跟執行對不對那有沒有進度原則上這個修法是有進度的什麼時候五月會提出\n296266\t324725\t五月提出本部草案那送行政院會先預告預告之後的話收集意見之後的話那就會送法規會去做文字的修正那我們做了調整什麼時候能夠送到立法院我們一起來本席這邊也提出相關對應的版本我們也拜託召委如果有話衛黃委會趕快來排案我們趕快來修該補的破網趕快來補我預估大概在下半年可以送到下半年對\n326786\t351415\t這個這個會期大概來不及這個會期來不及這個會期可能我們會研會喔因為520如果說內閣總辭新的內閣上了之後我們會要求再持續的總諮詢喔因為我們還有預告預告完之後要送那個預告相對來講這個應該是比較單純的一個修法嗎沒有但可能至於部長全文修正可能搞不好要60天的預告\n351735\t366505\t部長但是本席還是強調啊因為現在已經看到問題那如果說我們都已經很明顯的知道是說這個是過去沒有補足的一個部分以前都是規定家內那這次反而看到是家外\n367205\t392612\t那家外部分把那當然要修就一次把這個整個體制更健全但是不過報告委員這現在出問題的並不是只有靠修法才能夠處理比方說這一個個案本身它就是脆弱家庭脆弱家庭就有一些應該要做的事情那這一個部分的話我們檢討如果沒有做好的話那就應該是先把它做好這就不涉及修法\n393112\t401347\t那效法是整個收出養的這個程序的話需要做一些檢討是所以我現在在講的就是\n403475\t423713\t該快步進行的趕快步進行嘛所以修法的過程當中本期還是提醒啦如果說能夠在這個會期送進來我覺得會是更符合大家的期待但是我們一定也會提出我們相對應的版本也希望我們共同的來補期不要再有下一個憾事發生這個是我們\n424193\t453055\t每一次發生事件的時候我們真應該從事件裡面記取的教訓而不是說每一次就推地方政府的責任、中央政府的責任恭喜在責任大家都有但重點是怎麼樣強化我們原有的保護機制跟安全機制讓2350萬人共同活在一個更完整的地方我想這才是我們的重點是吧是部長再拜託加緊進度我們會持續追這個議題我們不會放鬆好不好謝謝\n453936\t454158\t主席\n","txt":"主席謝謝麻煩請薛部長請薛部長\n委員好部長我想大家共同關心保齡茶社這個事情也是我們大家現在關注的焦點因為大家也會覺得說奇怪到底它是什麼樣的原因因為找不出原因其實反而是最恐怖的那我先請教一下到目前為止案發到現在除了這一個在百貨公司裡面的這個保齡茶社其他保齡茶社相關體系的店有沒有去做一個瞭解\n這個是臺北市已經給他停業了其他的他們的分支的系統他其他的分店都已經停業了嗎?都已經停業了那臺中的部分的話也已經歇業了臺中市已經歇業了?這原本就沒有再營業了但臺北市還有五家店那這五家店有沒有先去做一個都已經先停業了因為這個可能這個\n至於這些食物中毒的原因大概我們是已經鎖定是在果粉因為這十幾個變換共同能夠吃有吃到的就是果粉歸糞大概是這樣所以目前大概focus在這一塊但是到底果粉裡面發生什麼事情\n是有歪例穿進去還是說裡面自己有什麼樣的事件是 因為也不能這樣子反而造成我現在聽說最人心惶惶是賣果粉板條的業者啊對然後覺得是說這樣子是不是好莫名其妙突然間大家又對果粉汙名化來不敢吃河粉不敢吃板條可能是現在不敢這樣聽到因為目前有這些症狀出來通報過來通通都是到這一家去吃的\n那到其他地方我們的有在賣...目前是沒有看到其他...好那這一定要釐清啦到底是保存問題還是說真的有加到什麼不該加的添加物還是怎麼樣的原因那另外因為媒體上面也報導是說這個保齡茶室啊他們有投保公共責任意外險以及附加食物中毒條款結果居然是到去年他就沒有再保了\n對,好像是到期之後對,到期之後沒有再保那有沒有針對這個部分我們衛福部有沒有考慮說是不是未來這些餐廳業者有需要這樣子的一個保障本來我們就有要求只是說因為他停保也沒有跟就是說他這個到期也沒有通知我們所以我們並不知道說他的那我們的要求是法條的法規的要求還是\n實案法第13條就是要求說像有商業登記有那個公司登記、工廠登記的餐飲業者都必須要有投保那這樣子是不是要先開罰我們會會什麼時候它的處罰是3到300萬對我們會立刻通知對你們會立刻通知對地方來開罰是本期為什麼會提醒就是說\n我覺得是這樣子啦對我們很希望是說臺灣不管是業者不管是我們的一般的經營人士大家都是合理的面對食品安全但是每一次好像遇到一個問題之後才發覺是說原來我們應該做的其實很多時候法規也有限制很多時候指引也有出來但是怎麼會大家在執行過程當中便宜稀釋或是大事化小小事化無\n那真的發生事情之後才發覺說這個也沒做到 那也沒做到所以應該要執行公權力的時候請馬上執行公權力 可以嗎好 這我們馬上來辦理部長 拉回來今天的一個主要也是社會安全網我覺得這很重要食品安全網、社會安全網都一樣重要本席想請教一下今天我也看到了你的這個報告也有講到說新北市府和臺北市府的部分但是昨天林萬義政委他開會的時候有講到\n這裡到底在這個優化收出養的程序裡面我們是不是還是應該要由中央統一來做一些收出養的法規跟制度面的問題來調整\n對這個在討論當中而且是要修兒權法那這部分的話即使已經討論到一個程度當然還有不同的意見要修法嘛所以說主要還是中央要一個上位的部分把這個兒權法給修法修法之後地方政府來去做落實跟執行對不對那有沒有進度原則上這個修法是有進度的什麼時候五月會提出\n五月提出本部草案那送行政院會先預告預告之後的話收集意見之後的話那就會送法規會去做文字的修正那我們做了調整什麼時候能夠送到立法院我們一起來本席這邊也提出相關對應的版本我們也拜託召委如果有話衛黃委會趕快來排案我們趕快來修該補的破網趕快來補我預估大概在下半年可以送到下半年對\n這個這個會期大概來不及這個會期來不及這個會期可能我們會研會喔因為520如果說內閣總辭新的內閣上了之後我們會要求再持續的總諮詢喔因為我們還有預告預告完之後要送那個預告相對來講這個應該是比較單純的一個修法嗎沒有但可能至於部長全文修正可能搞不好要60天的預告\n部長但是本席還是強調啊因為現在已經看到問題那如果說我們都已經很明顯的知道是說這個是過去沒有補足的一個部分以前都是規定家內那這次反而看到是家外\n那家外部分把那當然要修就一次把這個整個體制更健全但是不過報告委員這現在出問題的並不是只有靠修法才能夠處理比方說這一個個案本身它就是脆弱家庭脆弱家庭就有一些應該要做的事情那這一個部分的話我們檢討如果沒有做好的話那就應該是先把它做好這就不涉及修法\n那效法是整個收出養的這個程序的話需要做一些檢討是所以我現在在講的就是\n該快步進行的趕快步進行嘛所以修法的過程當中本期還是提醒啦如果說能夠在這個會期送進來我覺得會是更符合大家的期待但是我們一定也會提出我們相對應的版本也希望我們共同的來補期不要再有下一個憾事發生這個是我們\n每一次發生事件的時候我們真應該從事件裡面記取的教訓而不是說每一次就推地方政府的責任、中央政府的責任恭喜在責任大家都有但重點是怎麼樣強化我們原有的保護機制跟安全機制讓2350萬人共同活在一個更完整的地方我想這才是我們的重點是吧是部長再拜託加緊進度我們會持續追這個議題我們不會放鬆好不好謝謝\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.526 --> 00:09.219\n主席謝謝麻煩請薛部長請薛部長\n\n00:16.286 --> 00:41.458\n委員好部長我想大家共同關心保齡茶社這個事情也是我們大家現在關注的焦點因為大家也會覺得說奇怪到底它是什麼樣的原因因為找不出原因其實反而是最恐怖的那我先請教一下到目前為止案發到現在除了這一個在百貨公司裡面的這個保齡茶社其他保齡茶社相關體系的店有沒有去做一個瞭解\n\n00:43.149 --> 01:06.285\n這個是臺北市已經給他停業了其他的他們的分支的系統他其他的分店都已經停業了嗎?都已經停業了那臺中的部分的話也已經歇業了臺中市已經歇業了?這原本就沒有再營業了但臺北市還有五家店那這五家店有沒有先去做一個都已經先停業了因為這個可能這個\n\n01:11.448 --> 01:34.080\n至於這些食物中毒的原因大概我們是已經鎖定是在果粉因為這十幾個變換共同能夠吃有吃到的就是果粉歸糞大概是這樣所以目前大概focus在這一塊但是到底果粉裡面發生什麼事情\n\n01:34.640 --> 02:01.921\n是有歪例穿進去還是說裡面自己有什麼樣的事件是因為也不能這樣子反而造成我現在聽說最人心惶惶是賣果粉板條的業者啊對然後覺得是說這樣子是不是好莫名其妙突然間大家又對果粉汙名化來不敢吃河粉不敢吃板條可能是現在不敢這樣聽到因為目前有這些症狀出來通報過來通通都是到這一家去吃的\n\n02:02.581 --> 02:26.048\n那到其他地方我們的有在賣...目前是沒有看到其他...好那這一定要釐清啦到底是保存問題還是說真的有加到什麼不該加的添加物還是怎麼樣的原因那另外因為媒體上面也報導是說這個保齡茶室啊他們有投保公共責任意外險以及附加食物中毒條款結果居然是到去年他就沒有再保了\n\n02:26.580 --> 02:51.993\n對,好像是到期之後對,到期之後沒有再保那有沒有針對這個部分我們衛福部有沒有考慮說是不是未來這些餐廳業者有需要這樣子的一個保障本來我們就有要求只是說因為他停保也沒有跟就是說他這個到期也沒有通知我們所以我們並不知道說他的那我們的要求是法條的法規的要求還是\n\n02:54.335 --> 03:20.396\n實案法第13條就是要求說像有商業登記有那個公司登記、工廠登記的餐飲業者都必須要有投保那這樣子是不是要先開罰我們會會什麼時候它的處罰是3到300萬對我們會立刻通知對你們會立刻通知對地方來開罰是本期為什麼會提醒就是說\n\n03:21.803 --> 03:44.102\n我覺得是這樣子啦對我們很希望是說臺灣不管是業者不管是我們的一般的經營人士大家都是合理的面對食品安全但是每一次好像遇到一個問題之後才發覺是說原來我們應該做的其實很多時候法規也有限制很多時候指引也有出來但是怎麼會大家在執行過程當中便宜稀釋或是大事化小小事化無\n\n03:44.502 --> 04:11.484\n那真的發生事情之後才發覺說這個也沒做到那也沒做到所以應該要執行公權力的時候請馬上執行公權力可以嗎好這我們馬上來辦理部長拉回來今天的一個主要也是社會安全網我覺得這很重要食品安全網、社會安全網都一樣重要本席想請教一下今天我也看到了你的這個報告也有講到說新北市府和臺北市府的部分但是昨天林萬義政委他開會的時候有講到\n\n04:15.062 --> 04:26.633\n這裡到底在這個優化收出養的程序裡面我們是不是還是應該要由中央統一來做一些收出養的法規跟制度面的問題來調整\n\n04:28.902 --> 04:51.915\n對這個在討論當中而且是要修兒權法那這部分的話即使已經討論到一個程度當然還有不同的意見要修法嘛所以說主要還是中央要一個上位的部分把這個兒權法給修法修法之後地方政府來去做落實跟執行對不對那有沒有進度原則上這個修法是有進度的什麼時候五月會提出\n\n04:56.266 --> 05:24.725\n五月提出本部草案那送行政院會先預告預告之後的話收集意見之後的話那就會送法規會去做文字的修正那我們做了調整什麼時候能夠送到立法院我們一起來本席這邊也提出相關對應的版本我們也拜託召委如果有話衛黃委會趕快來排案我們趕快來修該補的破網趕快來補我預估大概在下半年可以送到下半年對\n\n05:26.786 --> 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