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No？」我跟我們的佳濱總召心有靈犀有志一同，我們今天同時都藉由這個寶貴的質詢機會拋出一個非常正向的要求，我們希望全面來評估，而且我希望是制度化的讓監獄的友善犬貓能夠上路。國會實在是充滿暴戾之氣，我們不應當是野獸動物區，國會應當是可愛動物區。教育很重要，大家心中都要有祥和跟溫暖，所以今天就教於大家，有一些例子跟內容，剛剛佳濱召委也已經分享過，那我儘量就其他的案例來補充我的論述。","部長，你是貓派還是狗派？"],["蔡部長清祥：我比較傾向狗派。"],["吳委員思瑤：所以家裡有養狗、有養貓？有養狗？"],["蔡部長清祥：以前有。"],["吳委員思瑤：有喔，狗是人類最忠實的朋友。吳思瑤我本人既是貓奴也是狗僕，而且我有一隻曾經在立法院非常有名的狗狗，名字叫Zaza，中間這個插畫是社群上的年輕朋友為我畫的，因為吳思瑤思瑤姐姐有三貓一狗，我的Zaza、Luna、Sunny跟Happy三隻貓，都非常謝謝年輕朋友為我畫畫，還把貓狗一起入畫。我們真的希望讓國會不要有暴戾之氣，如果國會能夠有更多的貓狗，其實不會有人在咆哮、不會有人在拍桌，因為動物就是有這麼神奇的、療癒的、正向的力量。","透過專業的訓練，服務犬的多元功能可以貢獻社會，服務犬包括治療犬，治療病痛中的人們；包括我們都很熟悉的助聽犬跟導盲犬，牠有非常明確的訓練項目；還有有助於心理健康的自閉症治療犬；還有介助犬，介助犬就是幫助行動不便的人，協助他打理日常的生活，所以狗是可以透過訓練，發揮更多貢獻社會的能量。","剛剛我們的召委也分享了臺北榮總的Oba，因為這是本席的選區，臺北榮總陳威明院長常常會傳Oba的故事給我，每一個故事都太感人了，狗狗可以做到人類做不到的事。Oba這隻狗狗是全國唯一經過完整訓練，駐點在醫院的安寧病房，所以在榮總的大德安寧病房這隻曾經是退役的導盲犬，真的陪伴了很多人臨終生命的寶貴時光，所以Oba治療犬可以在醫院裡頭。","國際權威期刊，這是英國的權威期刊，他們透過長時間的觀察，校園的服務犬可以降低學生族群60%的焦慮感及壓力，所以這是有科學實證的。我右手邊秀出來的，也是在本席的選區，是芝山國小一隻非常有名的特教犬，芝山國小這隻犬後來是travel到各個學校去服務有特教需求的孩子。校園友善犬，我可能做的比佳濱委員多一點點，因為我過去在教育委員會，這裡露出的就是我深入士林、北投每個校園去推銷、推廣，請每個學校去認養流浪動物，帶進學校，實踐生命教育，包括逸仙國小的Mango、新明國中的Bingo、文林國小的Happy、天母國小的Happy，蘭雅國中也有一隻Happy，蘭雅國小有一隻必魯，然後有一隻清江國小的庫洛已經離開我們了，學校還幫牠辦了一個葬禮，讓學生一起來體驗這樣一個生命教育的歷程。","我手上拿的這一本是教育部的國教署跟農委會，現在是農業部，合力編輯的書籍「校園裡的牠們─校園犬績優學校選拔」，我要分享這本書，會後會送給部長。我要告訴您的是，校園友善犬也好，未來能夠上路的監獄友善犬貓也好，我希望它不是試點，它不是試辦，它應當是有一個制度化的政策支持，就以這本書，它的協力單位中政府部門有農業部給經費，有教育部去媒合學校、提供教材，還有共同編輯的，也就是協力這個計畫的民間單位，有臺灣動物保護行政監督聯盟，還有世界愛犬聯盟，臺灣有非常強大的公民團體，臺灣有非常具有關懷力、行動力的動保團體，都是可以讓這個制度予以制度化的重要協力key person，所以我稍後把這本書分享給您。就以我在推動校園友善犬的經驗，有預算、有經費、有專業的支持，我媒合了農業部跟國教署，只要學校有意願，並新認養動物之家裡面的流浪犬貓，每年給5萬元，如果是校園周遭本來就有的流浪犬貓，不是去動物之家認養的，協助解決在地流浪貓狗的問題，是給4萬元，以此類推。所以這幾年經過吳思瑤的努力，4年多來補助了463校次，農業部跟教育部共同出資1,242萬，在2023成功又補助了143個學校認養流浪動物，這是這一本裡面寫的，每一個流浪犬貓在校園都發生了非常重要的教育意義、生命教育及教化的意義。","所以監獄友善犬貓可行嗎？讓我多論述一點。這是我們希望矯正、教化受刑人幾個正向的意義，我想監獄友善犬或貓can help。國際經驗我多分享一點，左邊這個圖是歐洲巴爾幹半島的塞爾維亞，他們的監獄是歐洲最擁擠的監獄之一，空間很小、受刑人很多，但是他們想方設法的引進犬、貓，主要是犬，給予這些受刑人一個互助共生的關係，甚至塞爾維亞政府說，這是他們國家推動過最有意義也最成功的社會化計畫，這是一個正向的案例。右邊的是美國的印第安那監獄，刺龍刺虎的大哥也變暖男，他們把流浪的動物，尤其是受虐的貓咪送到監獄裡，這些大哥變暖男，這些流氓、黑道一夕之間變成最有關懷心的人，這都是國際的案例，有貓有狗的經驗。美國華盛頓女子監獄，我是看了這個研究報告才知道，原來女性受刑人進入社會，其實再犯率是高的，因為他被貼上汙名化的標籤很嚴重，因此再社會化的過程比男性還辛苦。所以他們把貓狗送到監獄裡頭，訓練這些女性手很巧的專才，訓練這些女性受刑人成為寵物護理技術師、高級美容師、服務犬的訓練師，美國政府投入1,130萬美元，參與計畫的結果是什麼？3年內再犯率只有3%，這是一個正向的案例。我再分享一個美國經驗，就是跟民間團體合作，臺灣有太多民間團體可以協助這樣的計畫，他們把這些訓練犬送進俄亥俄州監獄、肯塔基州監獄，訓練這些受刑人成為訓犬員，未來出了社會就帶著在獄中跟他一起並陪伴他的狗狗，一起去服務更多人，他學得一技之長。","我分享了國際經驗，國內行不行？剛剛佳濱召委也分享過了，桃園的泰源監獄收留了監獄旁邊23隻流浪貓，然後去教化監獄中的受刑人，23隻流浪貓全部送養成功，很多都跟著受刑人回家。這個大家都非常津津樂道的新竹監獄犬訓班，因為疫情的關係，從2006年開始到2022年停了，這個計畫非常的成功，前前後後47名受刑人訓練出84隻流浪犬，而這些受刑人再犯率是0。","我知道你們會說有困難，空間是不是足夠？因為超收的問題很嚴重，但是我要告訴你們剛剛那個塞爾維亞的案例，他們是全歐洲最擁擠的監獄，可是他們可以實踐。機關人力不足嗎？我也以剛剛制度化的經驗分享給你們，我們有獸醫師公會可以合作，現在教育部的校園友善犬，吳思瑤已經媒合各縣市政府的獸醫師公會，協助進到學校裡頭幫忙學校，如果犬貓發生任何疾病或是定期的健康檢查，獸醫師都定期進駐到學校，未來監獄也可以，我們有太多的專業團體，包括剛剛佳濱召委分享的屏東屏科大的這些專業學系。經費會不會不足呢？也不是問題，我們也可以跟農業部合作，就以校園友善犬制度化的經驗，來做一些經費的分擔，所以事在人為。","剛剛佳濱委員壓了一個月的時間，我就尊重你們一個月的時間去提出研議，不只對於矯正學校可以引進友善犬貓，各個監獄你們可以優先評估，哪些的空間比較available，哪些可能是就近就有大學可以支援，就近就有很強的獸醫師公會可以協力，或是哪一些動保團體，我都很樂意幫您媒合動保團體，一加一大於二，農業部也已經升格為部，現在有一個專責的動物保護司，他們有更強大的量能，一加一大於二，幫助受刑人，也協助流浪動物，兩個委員，同一個論述跟主張，給你們double的壓力，請部長綜合回應。"],["蔡部長清祥：不會有壓力。"],["吳委員思瑤：很好，讚。"],["蔡部長清祥：非常認同這樣的看法，我們會來積極推動。"],["吳委員思瑤：那我希望不是只有試點而已，它要制度化，唯有制度化，這樣一個校園友善犬貓也好，推廣到監獄友善犬貓，它可以成為一個長長久久的永續政策，好不好？我們一起加油，謝謝。"],["蔡部長清祥：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝吳委員，謝謝蔡部長，謝謝周署長。","接下來請陳委員培瑜質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":116,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-36-10","speakers":["鍾佳濱","黃國昌","沈發惠","謝龍介","陳俊宇","莊瑞雄","羅智強","林思銘","沈伯洋","翁曉玲","牛煦庭","柯志恩","羅廷瑋","洪孟楷","傅崐萁","吳思瑤","陳培瑜","張雅琳","吳沛憶","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:21,667\n國會實在非常充滿暴力所以可愛動物區我們不應當是野獸動物區國會應當是可愛動物區教育很重要大家都心中要有祥和跟溫暖所以今天就教於大家有一些例子跟內容剛剛嘉賓焦偉也已經分享過那我就盡量從其他的案例來補充我的論述好下一頁部長你是貓派還是狗派\n\n4\n00:01:23,506 --> 00:01:42,528\n我比較傾向狗派所以家裡有養狗有養貓有養狗以前有以前有所以狗是人類最忠實的朋友那下一頁五四要我本人呢我既是貓奴也是狗僕喔而且我曾經在立法院有一隻立法院非常有名的狗狗叫ZAZA\n\n5\n00:01:43,362 --> 00:02:07,584\n那中間這個插畫呢是社群上的年輕朋友為我畫的因為吳思瑤、思瑤姐姐有三貓一狗我的ZaZa、Luna、Sunny跟Happy三隻貓那都非常謝謝年輕朋友為我畫畫還把貓狗一起入畫我們真的希望讓國會不要有暴力之氣如果國會能夠有更多的貓狗\n\n6\n00:02:08,607 --> 00:02:19,837\n其實不會有人在咆哮不會有人在拍桌因為動物就是有這麼神奇的療癒的正向的力量好下一頁透過專業的訓練\n\n7\n00:02:22,375 --> 00:02:41,753\n服務犬的多元功能可以貢獻社會服務犬包括治療犬治療病痛中的人們包括我們都很熟悉的助聽犬跟導盲犬他有非常明確的訓練項目還有對於心理健康的自閉症的治療犬\n\n8\n00:02:44,335 --> 00:02:53,241\n還有借助犬借助犬就是幫助行動不便的人協助他來打理日常的生活所以狗是可以透過訓練發揮更多貢獻社會的能量下一頁\n\n9\n00:02:58,526 --> 00:03:14,623\n剛剛我們的召委也分享了因為這是本席的選區臺北榮總的歐巴那臺北榮總陳為民院長常常會傳歐巴的故事給我每一個故事都太感人了狗狗可以做到人類做不到的事\n\n10\n00:03:15,666 --> 00:03:37,802\n歐巴這隻狗狗是全國唯一經過完整訓練注點在醫院的安寧病房所以在榮總的大德安寧病房由這個他曾經是退役的導盲犬那真的陪伴了很多人臨終的生命寶貴的時光所以歐巴治療犬可以在醫院裡頭下一頁\n\n11\n00:03:39,923 --> 00:03:43,265\n國際的權威期刊這是英國的權威期刊他們透過長時間的觀察就以校園的服務權那經過長時間的觀察可以降低學生族群60%的焦慮感\n\n12\n00:03:57,054 --> 00:04:16,471\n以及他們的壓力所以這是有科學實證的我右手邊秀出來的也是在本席的選區支山國小一隻非常有名的特教犬那支山國小這隻犬後來他是travel到各個學校去服務有特教需求的孩子下一頁\n\n13\n00:04:18,112 --> 00:04:47,532\n校園有篡選我可能做的比嘉賓委員多一點點因為我是教育委員會過去在教育委員會我這裡露出露出的就是我士林北投我深入每一個校園去推銷推廣請每一個學校去認養流浪動物帶進學校實踐生命教育益仙國小的Mango新明國中的Bingo文林國小的Happy天母國小的Happy蘭雅國中也有一隻Happy\n\n14\n00:04:48,413 --> 00:04:52,305\n蘭雅國小有一隻米魯然後有一隻青江國小的骷髏已經離開我們了學校還幫他辦了一個\n\n15\n00:04:55,700 --> 00:04:56,860\n提供任何報告．則不提供任何報告\n\n16\n00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:44,010\n我要告訴您的是校園有善犬也好或是未來能夠上路的監獄有善犬貓也好我希望的他不是試點他不是試辦他應當是有一個制度化的政策支持就以這本書他的協力單位政府部門有農業部給經費有教育部去媒合學校提供教材還有共同\n\n17\n00:05:45,370 --> 00:06:12,499\n編輯的也就是協力這個計畫的民間單位有台灣動物保護行政監督聯盟還有世界愛犬聯盟台灣有非常強大的公民團體台灣有非常具有關懷力、行動力的動保團體都可以是讓這個制度予以制度化的重要協力所以我稍後把這本書分享給您就以我在推動校園友善犬的經驗下一頁\n\n18\n00:06:14,605 --> 00:06:38,063\n有預算有經費有專業的支持我媒合了農業部跟國教署只要學校有意願是新認養動物之家裡面的流浪犬貓給5萬塊每年如果是校園周遭本來就有的流浪犬貓不是去動物之家認養的協助解決在地的流浪貓狗的問題是給4萬塊\n\n19\n00:06:40,625 --> 00:06:53,551\n以此類推所以這幾年來經過吳斯堯的努力四年多來補助了463校次農業部跟教育部共同出資1242萬在2023年成功又補助了143個學校認養流浪動物就是這一本裡面寫的\n\n20\n00:07:02,896 --> 00:07:11,360\n每一個流浪犬貓在校園都發生了非常重要的教育意義生命教育以及教化的意義所以監獄友善的犬貓可行嗎?讓我多論述一點\n\n21\n00:07:19,697 --> 00:07:36,673\n這是我們希望矯正教化受刑人的幾個正向的意義。我想監獄友善犬或貓canhelp。國際經驗我多分享一點。左邊這個圖是歐洲巴爾幹半島的塞爾維亞。\n\n22\n00:07:38,049 --> 00:08:04,944\n他們的監獄是歐洲最擁擠的監獄之一。空間很小,獸型人很多,但是他們想方設法的引進了犬貓,主要是犬,給予了這些獸型人一個互助共生的關係。甚至塞爾維亞的政府說這是他們國家推動過最有意義也最成功的社會化計劃。\n\n23\n00:08:06,585 --> 00:08:34,806\n這是一個正向的案例右邊的是美國的印第安納監獄大哥、那個恰靈恰好的大哥也變暖男他們把流浪的動物尤其是受虐的貓咪送到監獄裡這些大哥變暖男這些流氓、黑道都一夕之間變成最有關懷心的人這都是國際的案例有貓有狗的經驗下一頁\n\n24\n00:08:36,417 --> 00:08:56,253\n美國華盛頓女子監獄我是看了這個研究報告我才知道哦原來女性進入受刑人進入社會他其實再犯率是高的因為他被貼上的這個污名化的標籤很嚴重他在社會化的過程比男性還要辛苦所以呢他們把貓狗送到監獄裡頭訓練這些女性\n\n25\n00:08:59,605 --> 00:09:20,654\n首很巧的專才訓練這些女子受刑人成為寵物護理技術師高級美容師服務權的訓練師美國政府投入了1130萬美元參與計劃的結果是什麼三年內再犯率只有3%這是一個正向的案例下一頁\n\n26\n00:09:21,514 --> 00:09:48,233\n我再分享一個美國經驗就是跟民間團體合作臺灣有太多民間團體可以協助這樣的計劃他們把這些訓練犬送進俄亥俄州監獄、肯德基監獄然後呢訓練這些獸型人成為訓犬員未來出了社會就帶著在獄中跟他一起陪伴的狗狗一起去服務更多人他學得一技之長\n\n27\n00:09:49,554 --> 00:10:05,669\n我分享了國際景演下頁。國內行不行下頁。剛剛嘉賓教委也分享過了桃園的太原間監獄他們收留了監獄旁邊23隻流浪貓然後去教化這些監獄中的受刑人。\n\n28\n00:10:07,210 --> 00:10:34,400\n23隻流浪貓全部送養成功很多都跟著受刑人回家下一頁而這個你們大家都非常津津樂道的新竹監獄犬犬訓班因為疫情的關係從2006年開始到2022年停了這個計畫非常的成功前前後後47名受刑人訓練出84隻流浪犬而這些受刑人再犯率是零\n\n29\n00:10:35,851 --> 00:10:49,717\n所以下一頁我知道你們會說有困難空間是不是足夠因為超收的問題很嚴重但是我要告訴你們剛剛塞爾維亞的那個案例他們是全歐洲最擁擠的監獄可是他們可以實踐\n\n30\n00:10:51,771 --> 00:11:11,696\n機關人力不足嗎?我也以我剛剛制度化的經驗分享給你們我們有獸醫師公會可以合作現在教育部的校園有篡權無資料已經媒合各縣市政府的獸醫師公會協助進到學校裡頭幫忙學校如果犬貓發生任何的疾病或是定期的健康檢查獸醫師都進駐到學校\n\n31\n00:11:13,917 --> 00:11:38,980\n定期,未來監獄也可以。我們有太多的專業團體,包括剛剛嘉賓教委分享的屏東、屏科大的這些專業學系。經費會不會不足呢?也不是問題。我們也可以去跟農業部合作,就以校園友善權制度化的經驗來做一些經費的分擔。所以事在人為,下一頁,最後一頁。\n\n32\n00:11:39,961 --> 00:12:06,566\n我希望剛剛嘉賓委員壓了一個月的時間我就尊重你們一個月的時間去提出研議不只對於矯正學校可以引進友善犬貓各個監獄你們可以優先評估哪些在空間比較available哪些可能是有這樣比較就近就有大學可以支援就近就有很強的獸醫師公會可以協力或是哪一些動保團體我都很樂意幫您媒合動保團體一加一大於二\n\n33\n00:12:10,267 --> 00:12:31,915\n農業部也已經成立為部．現在有一個專責的動物保護司．他們有更強大的量能一加一大於二幫助受刑人也協助流浪動物兩個委員同一個論述跟主張給你們double的壓力部長綜合回應不會有壓力我們非常認同這樣的看法我們會積極的來推動\n\n34\n00:12:34,199 --> 00:12:49,284\n我們希望不是只有試點而已喔他要制度化我有制度化這樣一個校園友善犬貓也好推廣到監獄友善犬貓他可以成為一個長長久久的永續政策好不好我們一起加油謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n13727\t23679\t謝主席,有請部長跟周署長。好,有請蔡部長跟教政署周署長。委員好。\n25543\t48360\t兩位早安一加一大於二監獄友善犬貓yes or no我跟我們的嘉賓總召心有靈犀有志一同我們今天同時都藉由這個寶貴的質詢機會拋出一個非常正向的要求我們全面來評估而且我希望是制度化讓監獄的友善犬貓能夠上路那\n54865\t81667\t國會實在非常充滿暴力所以可愛動物區我們不應當是野獸動物區國會應當是可愛動物區教育很重要大家都心中要有祥和跟溫暖所以今天就教於大家有一些例子跟內容剛剛嘉賓焦偉也已經分享過那我就盡量從其他的案例來補充我的論述好下一頁部長你是貓派還是狗派\n83506\t102528\t我比較傾向狗派所以家裡有養狗有養貓有養狗以前有以前有所以狗是人類最忠實的朋友那下一頁五四要我本人呢我既是貓奴也是狗僕喔而且我曾經在立法院有一隻立法院非常有名的狗狗叫ZAZA\n103362\t127584\t那中間這個插畫呢是社群上的年輕朋友為我畫的因為吳思瑤、思瑤姐姐有三貓一狗我的ZaZa、Luna、Sunny跟Happy三隻貓那都非常謝謝年輕朋友為我畫畫還把貓狗一起入畫我們真的希望讓國會不要有暴力之氣如果國會能夠有更多的貓狗\n128607\t139837\t其實不會有人在咆哮不會有人在拍桌因為動物就是有這麼神奇的療癒的正向的力量好下一頁透過專業的訓練\n142375\t161753\t服務犬的多元功能可以貢獻社會服務犬包括治療犬治療病痛中的人們包括我們都很熟悉的助聽犬跟導盲犬他有非常明確的訓練項目還有對於心理健康的自閉症的治療犬\n164335\t173241\t還有借助犬借助犬就是幫助行動不便的人協助他來打理日常的生活所以狗是可以透過訓練發揮更多貢獻社會的能量下一頁\n178526\t194623\t剛剛我們的召委也分享了因為這是本席的選區臺北榮總的歐巴那臺北榮總陳為民院長常常會傳歐巴的故事給我每一個故事都太感人了狗狗可以做到人類做不到的事\n195666\t217802\t歐巴這隻狗狗是全國唯一經過完整訓練注點在醫院的安寧病房所以在榮總的大德安寧病房由這個他曾經是退役的導盲犬那真的陪伴了很多人臨終的生命寶貴的時光所以歐巴治療犬可以在醫院裡頭下一頁\n219923\t223265\t國際的權威期刊這是英國的權威期刊他們透過長時間的觀察就以校園的服務權那經過長時間的觀察可以降低學生族群60%的焦慮感\n237054\t256471\t以及他們的壓力所以這是有科學實證的我右手邊秀出來的也是在本席的選區支山國小一隻非常有名的特教犬那支山國小這隻犬後來他是travel到各個學校去服務有特教需求的孩子下一頁\n258112\t287532\t校園有篡選我可能做的比嘉賓委員多一點點因為我是教育委員會過去在教育委員會我這裡露出露出的就是我士林北投我深入每一個校園去推銷推廣請每一個學校去認養流浪動物帶進學校實踐生命教育益仙國小的Mango新明國中的Bingo文林國小的Happy天母國小的Happy蘭雅國中也有一隻Happy\n288413\t292305\t蘭雅國小有一隻米魯然後有一隻青江國小的骷髏已經離開我們了學校還幫他辦了一個\n295700\t296860\t提供任何報告．則不提供任何報告\n319520\t344010\t我要告訴您的是校園有善犬也好或是未來能夠上路的監獄有善犬貓也好我希望的他不是試點他不是試辦他應當是有一個制度化的政策支持就以這本書他的協力單位政府部門有農業部給經費有教育部去媒合學校提供教材還有共同\n345370\t372499\t編輯的也就是協力這個計畫的民間單位有台灣動物保護行政監督聯盟還有世界愛犬聯盟台灣有非常強大的公民團體台灣有非常具有關懷力、行動力的動保團體都可以是讓這個制度予以制度化的重要協力所以我稍後把這本書分享給您就以我在推動校園友善犬的經驗下一頁\n374605\t398063\t有預算有經費有專業的支持我媒合了農業部跟國教署只要學校有意願是新認養動物之家裡面的流浪犬貓給5萬塊每年如果是校園周遭本來就有的流浪犬貓不是去動物之家認養的協助解決在地的流浪貓狗的問題是給4萬塊\n400625\t413551\t以此類推所以這幾年來經過吳斯堯的努力四年多來補助了463校次農業部跟教育部共同出資1242萬在2023年成功又補助了143個學校認養流浪動物就是這一本裡面寫的\n422896\t431360\t每一個流浪犬貓在校園都發生了非常重要的教育意義生命教育以及教化的意義所以監獄友善的犬貓可行嗎?讓我多論述一點\n439697\t456673\t這是我們希望矯正教化受刑人的幾個正向的意義。我想監獄友善犬或貓can 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or no我跟我們的嘉賓總召心有靈犀有志一同我們今天同時都藉由這個寶貴的質詢機會拋出一個非常正向的要求我們全面來評估而且我希望是制度化讓監獄的友善犬貓能夠上路那\n國會實在非常充滿暴力所以可愛動物區我們不應當是野獸動物區國會應當是可愛動物區教育很重要大家都心中要有祥和跟溫暖所以今天就教於大家有一些例子跟內容剛剛嘉賓焦偉也已經分享過那我就盡量從其他的案例來補充我的論述好下一頁部長你是貓派還是狗派\n我比較傾向狗派所以家裡有養狗有養貓有養狗以前有以前有所以狗是人類最忠實的朋友那下一頁五四要我本人呢我既是貓奴也是狗僕喔而且我曾經在立法院有一隻立法院非常有名的狗狗叫ZAZA\n那中間這個插畫呢是社群上的年輕朋友為我畫的因為吳思瑤、思瑤姐姐有三貓一狗我的ZaZa、Luna、Sunny跟Happy三隻貓那都非常謝謝年輕朋友為我畫畫還把貓狗一起入畫我們真的希望讓國會不要有暴力之氣如果國會能夠有更多的貓狗\n其實不會有人在咆哮不會有人在拍桌因為動物就是有這麼神奇的療癒的正向的力量好下一頁透過專業的訓練\n服務犬的多元功能可以貢獻社會服務犬包括治療犬治療病痛中的人們包括我們都很熟悉的助聽犬跟導盲犬他有非常明確的訓練項目還有對於心理健康的自閉症的治療犬\n還有借助犬借助犬就是幫助行動不便的人協助他來打理日常的生活所以狗是可以透過訓練發揮更多貢獻社會的能量下一頁\n剛剛我們的召委也分享了因為這是本席的選區臺北榮總的歐巴那臺北榮總陳為民院長常常會傳歐巴的故事給我每一個故事都太感人了狗狗可以做到人類做不到的事\n歐巴這隻狗狗是全國唯一經過完整訓練注點在醫院的安寧病房所以在榮總的大德安寧病房由這個他曾經是退役的導盲犬那真的陪伴了很多人臨終的生命寶貴的時光所以歐巴治療犬可以在醫院裡頭下一頁\n國際的權威期刊這是英國的權威期刊他們透過長時間的觀察就以校園的服務權那經過長時間的觀察可以降低學生族群60%的焦慮感\n以及他們的壓力所以這是有科學實證的我右手邊秀出來的也是在本席的選區支山國小一隻非常有名的特教犬那支山國小這隻犬後來他是travel到各個學校去服務有特教需求的孩子下一頁\n校園有篡選我可能做的比嘉賓委員多一點點因為我是教育委員會過去在教育委員會我這裡露出露出的就是我士林北投我深入每一個校園去推銷推廣請每一個學校去認養流浪動物帶進學校實踐生命教育益仙國小的Mango新明國中的Bingo文林國小的Happy天母國小的Happy蘭雅國中也有一隻Happy\n蘭雅國小有一隻米魯然後有一隻青江國小的骷髏已經離開我們了學校還幫他辦了一個\n提供任何報告．則不提供任何報告\n我要告訴您的是校園有善犬也好或是未來能夠上路的監獄有善犬貓也好我希望的他不是試點他不是試辦他應當是有一個制度化的政策支持就以這本書他的協力單位政府部門有農業部給經費有教育部去媒合學校提供教材還有共同\n編輯的也就是協力這個計畫的民間單位有台灣動物保護行政監督聯盟還有世界愛犬聯盟台灣有非常強大的公民團體台灣有非常具有關懷力、行動力的動保團體都可以是讓這個制度予以制度化的重要協力所以我稍後把這本書分享給您就以我在推動校園友善犬的經驗下一頁\n有預算有經費有專業的支持我媒合了農業部跟國教署只要學校有意願是新認養動物之家裡面的流浪犬貓給5萬塊每年如果是校園周遭本來就有的流浪犬貓不是去動物之家認養的協助解決在地的流浪貓狗的問題是給4萬塊\n以此類推所以這幾年來經過吳斯堯的努力四年多來補助了463校次農業部跟教育部共同出資1242萬在2023年成功又補助了143個學校認養流浪動物就是這一本裡面寫的\n每一個流浪犬貓在校園都發生了非常重要的教育意義生命教育以及教化的意義所以監獄友善的犬貓可行嗎?讓我多論述一點\n這是我們希望矯正教化受刑人的幾個正向的意義。我想監獄友善犬或貓can help。國際經驗我多分享一點。左邊這個圖是歐洲巴爾幹半島的塞爾維亞。\n他們的監獄是歐洲最擁擠的監獄之一。空間很小,獸型人很多,但是他們想方設法的引進了犬貓,主要是犬,給予了這些獸型人一個互助共生的關係。甚至塞爾維亞的政府說這是他們國家推動過最有意義也最成功的社會化計劃。\n這是一個正向的案例右邊的是美國的印第安納監獄大哥、那個恰靈恰好的大哥也變暖男他們把流浪的動物尤其是受虐的貓咪送到監獄裡這些大哥變暖男這些流氓、黑道都一夕之間變成最有關懷心的人這都是國際的案例有貓有狗的經驗下一頁\n美國華盛頓女子監獄我是看了這個研究報告我才知道哦原來女性進入受刑人進入社會他其實再犯率是高的因為他被貼上的這個污名化的標籤很嚴重他在社會化的過程比男性還要辛苦所以呢他們把貓狗送到監獄裡頭訓練這些女性\n首很巧的專才訓練這些女子受刑人成為寵物護理技術師高級美容師服務權的訓練師美國政府投入了1130萬美元參與計劃的結果是什麼三年內再犯率只有3%這是一個正向的案例下一頁\n我再分享一個美國經驗就是跟民間團體合作臺灣有太多民間團體可以協助這樣的計劃他們把這些訓練犬送進俄亥俄州監獄、肯德基監獄然後呢訓練這些獸型人成為訓犬員未來出了社會就帶著在獄中跟他一起陪伴的狗狗一起去服務更多人他學得一技之長\n我分享了國際景演下頁。國內行不行下頁。剛剛嘉賓教委也分享過了桃園的太原間監獄他們收留了監獄旁邊23隻流浪貓然後去教化這些監獄中的受刑人。\n23隻流浪貓全部送養成功很多都跟著受刑人回家下一頁而這個你們大家都非常津津樂道的新竹監獄犬犬訓班因為疫情的關係從2006年開始到2022年停了這個計畫非常的成功前前後後47名受刑人訓練出84隻流浪犬而這些受刑人再犯率是零\n所以下一頁我知道你們會說有困難空間是不是足夠因為超收的問題很嚴重但是我要告訴你們剛剛塞爾維亞的那個案例他們是全歐洲最擁擠的監獄可是他們可以實踐\n機關人力不足嗎?我也以我剛剛制度化的經驗分享給你們我們有獸醫師公會可以合作現在教育部的校園有篡權無資料已經媒合各縣市政府的獸醫師公會協助進到學校裡頭幫忙學校如果犬貓發生任何的疾病或是定期的健康檢查獸醫師都進駐到學校\n定期,未來監獄也可以。我們有太多的專業團體,包括剛剛嘉賓教委分享的屏東、屏科大的這些專業學系。經費會不會不足呢?也不是問題。我們也可以去跟農業部合作,就以校園友善權制度化的經驗來做一些經費的分擔。所以事在人為,下一頁,最後一頁。\n我希望剛剛嘉賓委員壓了一個月的時間我就尊重你們一個月的時間去提出研議不只對於矯正學校可以引進友善犬貓各個監獄你們可以優先評估哪些在空間比較available哪些可能是有這樣比較就近就有大學可以支援就近就有很強的獸醫師公會可以協力或是哪一些動保團體我都很樂意幫您媒合動保團體一加一大於二\n農業部也已經成立為部．現在有一個專責的動物保護司．他們有更強大的量能一加一大於二幫助受刑人也協助流浪動物兩個委員同一個論述跟主張給你們double的壓力部長綜合回應不會有壓力我們非常認同這樣的看法我們會積極的來推動\n我們希望不是只有試點而已喔他要制度化我有制度化這樣一個校園友善犬貓也好推廣到監獄友善犬貓他可以成為一個長長久久的永續政策好不好我們一起加油謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.727 --> 00:23.679\n謝主席,有請部長跟周署長。好,有請蔡部長跟教政署周署長。委員好。\n\n00:25.543 --> 00:48.360\n兩位早安一加一大於二監獄友善犬貓yesorno我跟我們的嘉賓總召心有靈犀有志一同我們今天同時都藉由這個寶貴的質詢機會拋出一個非常正向的要求我們全面來評估而且我希望是制度化讓監獄的友善犬貓能夠上路那\n\n00:54.865 --> 01:21.667\n國會實在非常充滿暴力所以可愛動物區我們不應當是野獸動物區國會應當是可愛動物區教育很重要大家都心中要有祥和跟溫暖所以今天就教於大家有一些例子跟內容剛剛嘉賓焦偉也已經分享過那我就盡量從其他的案例來補充我的論述好下一頁部長你是貓派還是狗派\n\n01:23.506 --> 01:42.528\n我比較傾向狗派所以家裡有養狗有養貓有養狗以前有以前有所以狗是人類最忠實的朋友那下一頁五四要我本人呢我既是貓奴也是狗僕喔而且我曾經在立法院有一隻立法院非常有名的狗狗叫ZAZA\n\n01:43.362 --> 02:07.584\n那中間這個插畫呢是社群上的年輕朋友為我畫的因為吳思瑤、思瑤姐姐有三貓一狗我的ZaZa、Luna、Sunny跟Happy三隻貓那都非常謝謝年輕朋友為我畫畫還把貓狗一起入畫我們真的希望讓國會不要有暴力之氣如果國會能夠有更多的貓狗\n\n02:08.607 --> 02:19.837\n其實不會有人在咆哮不會有人在拍桌因為動物就是有這麼神奇的療癒的正向的力量好下一頁透過專業的訓練\n\n02:22.375 --> 02:41.753\n服務犬的多元功能可以貢獻社會服務犬包括治療犬治療病痛中的人們包括我們都很熟悉的助聽犬跟導盲犬他有非常明確的訓練項目還有對於心理健康的自閉症的治療犬\n\n02:44.335 --> 02:53.241\n還有借助犬借助犬就是幫助行動不便的人協助他來打理日常的生活所以狗是可以透過訓練發揮更多貢獻社會的能量下一頁\n\n02:58.526 --> 03:14.623\n剛剛我們的召委也分享了因為這是本席的選區臺北榮總的歐巴那臺北榮總陳為民院長常常會傳歐巴的故事給我每一個故事都太感人了狗狗可以做到人類做不到的事\n\n03:15.666 --> 03:37.802\n歐巴這隻狗狗是全國唯一經過完整訓練注點在醫院的安寧病房所以在榮總的大德安寧病房由這個他曾經是退役的導盲犬那真的陪伴了很多人臨終的生命寶貴的時光所以歐巴治療犬可以在醫院裡頭下一頁\n\n03:39.923 --> 03:43.265\n國際的權威期刊這是英國的權威期刊他們透過長時間的觀察就以校園的服務權那經過長時間的觀察可以降低學生族群60%的焦慮感\n\n03:57.054 --> 04:16.471\n以及他們的壓力所以這是有科學實證的我右手邊秀出來的也是在本席的選區支山國小一隻非常有名的特教犬那支山國小這隻犬後來他是travel到各個學校去服務有特教需求的孩子下一頁\n\n04:18.112 --> 04:47.532\n校園有篡選我可能做的比嘉賓委員多一點點因為我是教育委員會過去在教育委員會我這裡露出露出的就是我士林北投我深入每一個校園去推銷推廣請每一個學校去認養流浪動物帶進學校實踐生命教育益仙國小的Mango新明國中的Bingo文林國小的Happy天母國小的Happy蘭雅國中也有一隻Happy\n\n04:48.413 --> 04:52.305\n蘭雅國小有一隻米魯然後有一隻青江國小的骷髏已經離開我們了學校還幫他辦了一個\n\n04:55.700 --> 04:56.860\n提供任何報告．則不提供任何報告\n\n05:19.520 --> 05:44.010\n我要告訴您的是校園有善犬也好或是未來能夠上路的監獄有善犬貓也好我希望的他不是試點他不是試辦他應當是有一個制度化的政策支持就以這本書他的協力單位政府部門有農業部給經費有教育部去媒合學校提供教材還有共同\n\n05:45.370 --> 06:12.499\n編輯的也就是協力這個計畫的民間單位有台灣動物保護行政監督聯盟還有世界愛犬聯盟台灣有非常強大的公民團體台灣有非常具有關懷力、行動力的動保團體都可以是讓這個制度予以制度化的重要協力所以我稍後把這本書分享給您就以我在推動校園友善犬的經驗下一頁\n\n06:14.605 --> 06:38.063\n有預算有經費有專業的支持我媒合了農業部跟國教署只要學校有意願是新認養動物之家裡面的流浪犬貓給5萬塊每年如果是校園周遭本來就有的流浪犬貓不是去動物之家認養的協助解決在地的流浪貓狗的問題是給4萬塊\n\n06:40.625 --> 06:53.551\n以此類推所以這幾年來經過吳斯堯的努力四年多來補助了463校次農業部跟教育部共同出資1242萬在2023年成功又補助了143個學校認養流浪動物就是這一本裡面寫的\n\n07:02.896 --> 07:11.360\n每一個流浪犬貓在校園都發生了非常重要的教育意義生命教育以及教化的意義所以監獄友善的犬貓可行嗎?讓我多論述一點\n\n07:19.697 --> 07:36.673\n這是我們希望矯正教化受刑人的幾個正向的意義。我想監獄友善犬或貓canhelp。國際經驗我多分享一點。左邊這個圖是歐洲巴爾幹半島的塞爾維亞。\n\n07:38.049 --> 08:04.944\n他們的監獄是歐洲最擁擠的監獄之一。空間很小,獸型人很多,但是他們想方設法的引進了犬貓,主要是犬,給予了這些獸型人一個互助共生的關係。甚至塞爾維亞的政府說這是他們國家推動過最有意義也最成功的社會化計劃。\n\n08:06.585 --> 08:34.806\n這是一個正向的案例右邊的是美國的印第安納監獄大哥、那個恰靈恰好的大哥也變暖男他們把流浪的動物尤其是受虐的貓咪送到監獄裡這些大哥變暖男這些流氓、黑道都一夕之間變成最有關懷心的人這都是國際的案例有貓有狗的經驗下一頁\n\n08:36.417 --> 08:56.253\n美國華盛頓女子監獄我是看了這個研究報告我才知道哦原來女性進入受刑人進入社會他其實再犯率是高的因為他被貼上的這個污名化的標籤很嚴重他在社會化的過程比男性還要辛苦所以呢他們把貓狗送到監獄裡頭訓練這些女性\n\n08:59.605 --> 09:20.654\n首很巧的專才訓練這些女子受刑人成為寵物護理技術師高級美容師服務權的訓練師美國政府投入了1130萬美元參與計劃的結果是什麼三年內再犯率只有3%這是一個正向的案例下一頁\n\n09:21.514 --> 09:48.233\n我再分享一個美國經驗就是跟民間團體合作臺灣有太多民間團體可以協助這樣的計劃他們把這些訓練犬送進俄亥俄州監獄、肯德基監獄然後呢訓練這些獸型人成為訓犬員未來出了社會就帶著在獄中跟他一起陪伴的狗狗一起去服務更多人他學得一技之長\n\n09:49.554 --> 10:05.669\n我分享了國際景演下頁。國內行不行下頁。剛剛嘉賓教委也分享過了桃園的太原間監獄他們收留了監獄旁邊23隻流浪貓然後去教化這些監獄中的受刑人。\n\n10:07.210 --> 10:34.400\n23隻流浪貓全部送養成功很多都跟著受刑人回家下一頁而這個你們大家都非常津津樂道的新竹監獄犬犬訓班因為疫情的關係從2006年開始到2022年停了這個計畫非常的成功前前後後47名受刑人訓練出84隻流浪犬而這些受刑人再犯率是零\n\n10:35.851 --> 10:49.717\n所以下一頁我知道你們會說有困難空間是不是足夠因為超收的問題很嚴重但是我要告訴你們剛剛塞爾維亞的那個案例他們是全歐洲最擁擠的監獄可是他們可以實踐\n\n10:51.771 --> 11:11.696\n機關人力不足嗎?我也以我剛剛制度化的經驗分享給你們我們有獸醫師公會可以合作現在教育部的校園有篡權無資料已經媒合各縣市政府的獸醫師公會協助進到學校裡頭幫忙學校如果犬貓發生任何的疾病或是定期的健康檢查獸醫師都進駐到學校\n\n11:13.917 --> 11:38.980\n定期,未來監獄也可以。我們有太多的專業團體,包括剛剛嘉賓教委分享的屏東、屏科大的這些專業學系。經費會不會不足呢?也不是問題。我們也可以去跟農業部合作,就以校園友善權制度化的經驗來做一些經費的分擔。所以事在人為,下一頁,最後一頁。\n\n11:39.961 --> 12:06.566\n我希望剛剛嘉賓委員壓了一個月的時間我就尊重你們一個月的時間去提出研議不只對於矯正學校可以引進友善犬貓各個監獄你們可以優先評估哪些在空間比較available哪些可能是有這樣比較就近就有大學可以支援就近就有很強的獸醫師公會可以協力或是哪一些動保團體我都很樂意幫您媒合動保團體一加一大於二\n\n12:10.267 --> 12:31.915\n農業部也已經成立為部．現在有一個專責的動物保護司．他們有更強大的量能一加一大於二幫助受刑人也協助流浪動物兩個委員同一個論述跟主張給你們double的壓力部長綜合回應不會有壓力我們非常認同這樣的看法我們會積極的來推動\n\n12:34.199 --> 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