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00:01:35,111\n通常因為它本身會產生這一個VA酸的細菌那並不是在國內常見的這細菌基本上我們的環境裡面不太看得到\n\n6\n00:01:36,091 --> 00:02:01,979\n但是有一些進口的食品尤其是可能是像在東南亞這邊像椰子等等這些的話它就有可能帶有這個細菌所以也有可能會是污染到那如果說食品低溫或者有效超過有效期限的話那就有可能讓這一個細菌去繁殖\n\n7\n00:02:03,659 --> 00:02:20,145\n所以我們還是建議民眾這些食品業者、餐飲業者要保持食物的效期不要過期還在賣這是大概是一個\n\n8\n00:02:20,965 --> 00:02:45,954\n然後另外就是在食物的這個溫度的保存這個部分要去注意是,好,真的大家看到這個新聞大家都真的非常的擔心就是說這個食品攜帶外食的真的非常多平常我們真的都是幾乎都是外食三餐都是吃外面所以真的政府的把關真的非常的重要\n\n9\n00:02:46,394 --> 00:02:46,454\n主席\n\n10\n00:03:08,101 --> 00:03:23,574\n應更嚴格一點吧,可是還是發生這樣的事情,所以我覺得說真的盡快去釐清那到底是發生什麼事,那未來要怎麼去預防,這個我覺得是更重要。部長接下來我想請教,就是說我們發生這個凱凱事件之後,\n\n11\n00:03:28,356 --> 00:03:56,490\n我們看到這個世界展望會他就說他要退出退出這樣子這個寄養家庭的這個業務那我想請教就是說像世界展望會他如果退出的話那他的這個業務原本你們是不是應該也要去找其他的這個單位來承接嗎那如果萬一其他的這個原本媒合的機構也覺得這個風險太大那我也不想來承接這樣的業務的話\n\n12\n00:03:57,551 --> 00:03:57,831\n進行專題報告進行專題報告進行專題報告\n\n13\n00:04:14,241 --> 00:04:14,561\n議員主席\n\n14\n00:04:39,522 --> 00:05:06,893\n讓後面的這個另外就是說寄養家庭招募困難其實種種的困難我希望就是說中央跟地方是大家一起合作的那把這個這個我們的兒少的這個肉洞把它補齊我認為這是我們做這個中央政府跟地方政府這個責無旁貸的事情所以我是不是先請部長先回答\n\n15\n00:05:07,353 --> 00:05:27,794\n首先是市長會他要退出寄養家庭他的意思這是說他不再去組織這個寄養家庭所以我們第一步當然就趕快找有沒有其他的團體願意來接手寄養家庭並沒有被解散掉\n\n16\n00:05:29,815 --> 00:05:38,340\n當然第二個我們在關心的是其實是這件事情比較重要的是寄養家庭逐漸在萎縮當中\n\n17\n00:05:40,100 --> 00:06:07,892\n所以我們需要來檢討寄養家庭它的整個的結構還有說它的營運碰到了什麼樣的困境所以目前你們針對寄養家庭你們也已經有在這個檢討就是說怎麼樣我們會跟這些相關的這些團體來討論到底他們碰到的困境是什麼樣因為寄養家庭有它的歷史背景它主要都是有善心的這些人士願意來提供這樣子的服務\n\n18\n00:06:09,253 --> 00:06:28,302\n但是他之所以沒有辦法再經營下去沒有辦法再收這個小孩子過來照顧的話那到底碰到這個困難是什麼當然如果說寄養家庭逐漸的市委是一定的趨勢大概不可逆的話\n\n19\n00:06:29,042 --> 00:06:54,313\n那我們就要考慮說怎麼樣去發展其他的這種就是說小孩子安置的這些資源有什麼替代的方案其實我們是認為他如果可以在這個基養家庭的話總是在比機構還好啦我們是這麼覺得所以就是說我們也希望剛剛部長講的就是針對基養家庭這個招募的困難應該\n\n20\n00:06:55,653 --> 00:07:19,457\n進速到底是什麼樣的原因?當然有的寄養家,其實我也碰過幾個寄養家庭的爸爸媽媽在講就是說其實他們也覺得說責任很大那另外其實整個這個資源其實也不是那麼足夠所以我們希望就是說讓這個社安網能夠更齊全的話第一個我覺得這個資源應該是要更足夠這樣子因為目前\n\n21\n00:07:20,518 --> 00:07:28,546\n家庭的規模是一直在縮小所以單一個寄養家庭要去承擔這種額外照顧的責任的確會越來越困難\n\n22\n00:07:32,736 --> 00:07:59,178\n那部長應該前幾天我們看到這個兒童福利聯盟有召開記者會那有說他們的缺失是怎樣那我想請教除了兒童福利聯盟之外那其他的媒合機構會不會也碰到這樣的一個問題可能就是內部機合不是那麼不是那麼充足或者是會有一些缺失我是認為應該不只兒童福利聯盟應該連其他的這個媒合機構應該也要一併去檢視\n\n23\n00:08:02,346 --> 00:08:26,887\n對,我們這個就是會去排這個排程那一個一個去了解是,好當然我們不希望未來還有這樣的事情發生所以這個媒合機構我們知道這個媒合機構其實都蠻辛苦的只是要怎麼讓這個整個制度能夠更完善另外我想請教就是說針對這個凱凱的這個事件\n\n24\n00:08:30,359 --> 00:08:55,793\n其實我們知道這個原本這個就是一個脆弱的家庭那當然就是說新北社福中心他這個凱凱事件他可能他只有訪視這個外祖母那他沒有去訪視這個離開家庭的這個兒童所以我會覺得很奇怪就是說應該以兒童最佳的利益的話應該社工或者是這個應該\n\n25\n00:08:58,374 --> 00:09:19,234\n地方政府應該要去訪視除了這個原生家庭之外應該也要去訪視他後來的這個保姆這邊那為什麼會沒有去做訪視這個是我覺得很訝異也很奇怪的那未來是怎麼樣去落實這方面因為中央應該是督導的單位那怎麼去落實\n\n26\n00:09:21,071 --> 00:09:49,339\n本來在脆弱家庭就有規定每月要去訪視一次但是我想新北市大概有一點誤解他以為是就這個家庭裡面有去訪視一部分就OK了他沒有去思考說其中有一個成員已經脫離家庭分別的所以那一個就沒有去做訪視我覺得這是一個缺點當然另外一個比較大的問題是在\n\n27\n00:09:50,259 --> 00:10:09,308\n如果說這個小孩子有原來的一個保姆在照顧的時候那因為兒童福利聯盟去判斷說要交給另外一個保姆那這樣子的話據兒童福利聯盟的報告裡面是有說有跟社福中心也就是新北市去討論\n\n28\n00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:33,191\n但是怎麼樣下這個決定這個是非常大的一個問題所以在這部分的話我也相信未來新北市社會局應該會做改善我們當然不只是新北或北市、臺北市其他縣市應該也是這樣子就是說它原本是在保母\n\n29\n00:10:34,031 --> 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