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00:01:52,990\n所以會持續溝通嗎?那一旦有相關的業務到身上其實就會有經費的問題所以關於經費的部分也都跟縣市政府都談好了嗎?這個部分的話應該是在我們未來這個所謂社安網2.0的部分的話就會來做處理需要增加經費包括剛剛委員一開始提到的那一個國家的責任\n\n6\n00:01:55,110 --> 00:02:12,225\n眾人進入出養的程序是並不保證說他一定會出養沒錯沒錯這個大家都清楚所以但是原生家庭已經沒有辦法照顧了對所以你國家的責任當然就要進來如果能夠出養當然是最好有人來接手是沒有的話你國家責任還在\n\n7\n00:02:12,918 --> 00:02:34,848\n我覺得部長今天講得非常的清楚而且態度也非常的明確我相信所有在第一線的工作人員聽到部長這樣的承諾都會非常的放心但是其實有一個困境為什麼我剛剛特別問縣市政府因為我們都知道地方政府的財政其實有分等級嘛相對充裕的跟相對困難的那那些尤其相對困難的縣市會不會其實比例上\n\n8\n00:02:35,468 --> 00:02:58,108\n原生家庭失去功能的或者是因為單親、隔代教養的問題導致於孩子們需要被照顧的比例會不會越高?不知道有沒有做過相關的統計?如果我們從過往的經驗來看,如果它是高的但是財政又是困難的,那相關經費是不是衛福部其實有及早歸因跟在政策的想像當中?這個部分我必須要為這些地方政府,其實是為這些孩子們先跟部長討論一下\n\n9\n00:03:00,049 --> 00:03:19,199\n這部分當然是依照社安網本身的一個財力分析有不同的補助的比例這個部分我們就希望後續的配套措施可以做得更加積極跟地方政府只要他們願意反應問題他們願意解決問題我相信衛福部這邊一定會給予大力的支持透過社安網2.0\n\n10\n00:03:20,740 --> 00:03:40,857\n我今天尤其要跟部長再往下討論關於0到6歲孩子的部分尤其是如果他們進入所謂的安置機構不管他是寄養家庭安置機構或者是保姆等等為什麼要針對0到6除了大家對凱凱事件的關心之外其實我們照顧孩子經驗都知道0到6歲的小孩照顧其實比起學0後可能有更多的\n\n11\n00:03:41,357 --> 00:03:43,398\n三、社會安全網缺失檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北市政府提供之檢討報告\n\n12\n00:04:07,283 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