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00:00:17,301\n有請警政署及法務部部長。我先叫部長。土城國中的案子,我們很明顯看到一下把孩子丟出來。\n\n2\n00:00:28,729 --> 00:00:40,613\n事實上確實會有問題那過去我自己在民間一直在倡導不要做資料轉嫌最好要做關係轉嫌所謂資料轉嫌而掃全法的確73條有授權說那要後追一年71條有授權說\n\n3\n00:00:45,435 --> 00:01:09,590\n事實上是要在孩子離開角質體系的時候的前一個月可是這就是最大的問題會變成學校只是去跟你交接資料沒有辦法事實上針對於關係轉型可是民間團體一直想要進去是說那是不是可以帶著家長帶著跟著社工一起去跟孩子建立關係不過我覺得整個角質體系裏邊在2022年的時候那\n\n4\n00:01:13,834 --> 00:01:14,720\nCSC國際委員審查的時候他也問我們說\n\n5\n00:01:17,045 --> 00:01:46,054\n那個主席Duke還講說你們每次讓孩子去面會的時候大概是怎麼樣去採行的那每一次去30分鐘如果我從台北到桃園我如果見孩子30分鐘的話我大概去的意願不是這麼的高每一次都是看30分鐘根本沒有辦法做關係關係轉嫌那以至於就會變成說一出來我們今天社區的社工要接住孩子比幫派跟藥頭還要難\n\n6\n00:01:47,335 --> 00:02:15,450\n因為我們過去都沒有關係嘛所以我不知道就是說部長這邊有沒有針對土城國中這個案子之後如果未來要做關係轉嫌你的看法是什麼我非常的同意委員講的轉嫌不是只有文件的轉接而已應該要更關心那如果未來要接收這個小孩子的這些社工人員願意提早介入來關心的話我們非常樂意\n\n7\n00:02:15,950 --> 00:02:20,191\n韓國都有和宿舍讓家長在那邊跟他們待有一天的一個晚上時間讓他們有辦法否則孩子回到社區裡邊功能不彰的時候那社工又沒有跟他有關係的話那就很難跟他們\n\n8\n00:02:43,538 --> 00:03:05,020\n要頭跟幫派比我們更容易找到小孩更容易跟孩子接觸那就沒有辦法去解決問題所以這個是不是請部裡邊去做評估去做討論我覺得實質上我覺得關係轉弦的話國外甚至有到一年的時間那我不知道這邊你在評估大家可以去做到什麼樣的一個程度是不是也提交報告給這邊給我\n\n9\n00:03:06,257 --> 00:03:30,368\n好我們不讓轉型的工作更加的落實有更好的方法能夠確實做到好謝謝部長那內政部這邊想問的是少府會目前現在看起來我們的那個工作人力什麼時候會到位因為目前少府會預計本來要聘280人那現在只有268人\n\n10\n00:03:34,356 --> 00:03:50,556\n目前的話因為他們這些在公有時候會離職然後有會從聘回來所以有時候他們會有這樣的問題有時候換滿了有時候又會所以有沒有個時間期限因為如果人力拼不足的話大概沒有辦法把孩子接住\n\n11\n00:03:51,397 --> 00:04:05,891\n因為現在負險少年跟偏差型年都是進入到這體系來做處理嘛而且偏差型年行為的三字一跟三字二的等級又不太一樣尤其事實上是負險少年我們更為關心那是不是我不知道這什麼時候可以到位\n\n12\n00:04:07,168 --> 00:04:23,625\n報告委員這部分因為我們也會就是盡量來跟他們那個各縣市請他們快加強來把這個病除第二個問題要問的是這個開案率就為什麼開案率會不到6成什麼樣評估會覺得他不需要開案\n\n13\n00:04:24,386 --> 00:04:39,524\n那這個評估其實有些沒有開案是因為重複的然後或者是那個這個可不可以也讓我知道原因是什麼因為如果通報到不開案有沒有漏接小孩這也讓我為之擔心所以是不是這一樣\n\n14\n00:04:40,565 --> 00:05:03,225\n提出報告來下一頁再來就是整個偏差型少年的未開案這邊法規是講說應轉介相關資源來我們再看下一頁要轉介到哪邊去這張圖完全如果我今天按照你的工作流程來工作的話我不知道這些要轉介到哪裡去\n\n15\n00:05:04,947 --> 00:05:17,800\n他如果沒有開案的話要轉到哪裡去又丟到社區去嗎那社區又沒有社工去可以接住他們如果又沒有跟我們的社政單位去連結的話到底孩子去哪邊那就加入幫派囉所以不知道這個圖你們自己有瞭解嗎\n\n16\n00:05:22,172 --> 00:05:45,449\n我們知道下面還有很長的一個那個流程但這個部分的話我們還是會就是轉給社工單位跟其他的社政單位我們會配合還有教育部下一頁這邊曝險剛才是因偏差行為的話是用因可是曝險少年卻用得可轉不可轉都可以曝險少年的問題點\n\n17\n00:05:46,730 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