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00:01:24,666\n新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告\n\n6\n00:01:46,724 --> 00:02:14,763\n二月八號是過年的年假一直追的結果就是二月五號人民會的帳戶收到經費因為剛剛部長二月六號然後人民會趕快把錢匯到各縣市政府二月七號各縣市政府趕快把錢匯到文件站的協會那這一天已經是連假的前一天那一般連假前一天其實大家就是\n\n7\n00:02:15,143 --> 00:02:19,745\n二、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長就«出養童遭虐致死事件檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告》\n\n8\n00:02:34,353 --> 00:02:51,762\n趕著跑銀行匯薪水給教福員那部長剛剛講說原民會的送的計畫太慢那他們照理來講應該都要幾號之前要送給你們在去年112年的這個預算的監會他在111年的12月23就來申請了\n\n9\n00:03:00,373 --> 00:03:28,388\n但是今年的113年的經費的話他是在今年的1月3號才來申請所以中天的話其實一開始就慢了1月3號來申請之後我們要求他把文件補齊所以1月16號才把文件補齊然後1月26號才抽範領據因為領據金額又有不一樣所以在1月26號我們就核定出去\n\n10\n00:03:29,349 --> 00:03:55,080\n所以那個部長你剛剛說照理來講那園民會理應要在什麼時候?去年年底的時候就要來申請了去年年底就是比如12月31號之前他們就要申請?對啊因為往年也是這個樣子啊好那所以到1月3號就是慢了三天就是會影響到整個的?前一年的話是12月23他就來申請\n\n11\n00:03:57,709 --> 00:04:03,894\n一、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長就«出養童遭虐致死事件檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告》\n\n12\n00:04:17,734 --> 00:04:25,241\n一、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長就«出養童遭虐致死事件檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告》\n\n13\n00:04:32,881 --> 00:04:47,612\n一月十六號才補齊文件然後後來我們又發現說原來的領據的金額跟核定的金額又不一樣所以又來抽換領據當天我們就核發出去所以一月十六號抽換領據二月二十六\n\n14\n00:04:48,813 --> 00:05:04,349\n二月二十六號,一月二十六號,抽換領據。我想是這樣子,今天不管是哪個單位的部分卡住,因為在\n\n15\n00:05:06,551 --> 00:05:22,641\n因為我這邊了解的過程原民會1月3號發函給衛福部嘛那至於就是說抽換狀況怎麼樣或許他們沒有老實講但是呢我覺得未來要避免這樣子的狀況就是說不管是怎麼樣因為總是\n\n16\n00:05:24,102 --> 00:05:48,184\n我不曉得是中間前面有聯絡上的問題或者是怎麼樣的情形那為什麼抽換文件他沒有在第一時間你們沒有告知或者是他後來才發現還是怎麼樣不管是怎麼樣其實我們的要求就是很簡單就是會希望時間到了他們就可以如期收到收到薪水\n\n17\n00:05:48,564 --> 00:05:59,119\n對,所以前一年的年底就應該要來申請,這樣大家有比較多的餘裕來可以來補救那些如果說文件不齊全的這個部分\n\n18\n00:06:00,072 --> 00:06:18,252\n對那所以我想這個部分我想或許下一次也應該兩個單位一起我們再互相幫忙或許他們也需要幫忙那我們就幫幫他們那時間到了那因為這個你知道兆福有多少人嗎\n\n19\n00:06:19,491 --> 00:06:29,271\n文件站的一千多餒那一千多的沒有如期領到薪水的話那就是一千多個家庭耶所以這個部分那個\n\n20\n00:06:30,666 --> 00:06:55,565\n就是等於是說好那是不是時間到年底了阿如果他們都還沒有送件那是不是你們這裡也可以稍微追一下關心一下我們有跟原民會的副首長的一個副首長我們的次長跟原民會的副主委有一個定期的聯繫的會報我想在那個部分我們再來做一個提醒\n\n21\n00:06:56,073 --> 00:07:19,914\n我想這次你們的定期應該沒有討論到這個問題不然我要拿來這裡講講老半天只有人民會的問題那這樣也很漏氣所以他們漏氣不是我漏氣我就負責追遣所以這個部分也拜託衛福部可以再多協助萬一他們真的慢幾天也請你們趕工一下\n\n22\n00:07:20,555 --> 00:07:40,861\n好那未來對剛剛講說這個定期會議的部分來做一下檢討那也把種種可能發生的情況大家討論討論然後避免這樣子的狀況發生那另外我要再請教一下就是這個月初衛福部有宣布取消了2010年公佈的這個掛號費參考的標準範圍那我非常支持說\n\n23\n00:07:44,562 --> 00:07:51,363\n此舉會不會對於偏鄉醫療的權利就是一種雪上加霜的一個狀況因為民眾都很擔心未來的掛號費會不會亂漲那會不會漲得不像樣那當時部長的回答是說就讓它回歸到這個市場機制那部長你有提到這個嘛回歸到市場機制\n\n24\n00:08:14,787 --> 00:08:41,702\n報告委員我說原則上回到市場機制但是對於偏鄉如果是他有形成寡占市場的部分我們還是要介入好這個我也理解但是因為我想要講的就是說所謂回歸到市場機制有一個前提就是說他必須要是要在一個完全競爭的市場對要有多多的競爭者也就是說消費者呢\n\n25\n00:08:43,143 --> 00:09:11,562\n有這個完整的選擇權利那可是我們偏鄉裡面呢整個鄉鎮可能就只有一間或兩間診所他偏鄉的居民沒有選擇的權利那如果說掛號費提高到超過水準然後我們才要來關注沒有這個我們因為隨時他掛號費要這個調整的時候其實我們現在有建立有健保署那邊有一個追蹤的一個系統\n\n26\n00:09:15,395 --> 00:09:34,892\n因為我們當時有請教議事司啦就是說如果遇到這個狀況你們的回答是說如果遇到後有個案我們再來瞭解處理所以這樣的回答我就會質疑那宣布政策之前都沒有想過說可能發生的情況那應該有什麼樣的配套\n\n27\n00:09:36,893 --> 00:10:04,800\n因為在偏鄉有醫療資源可靜性的問題其實是很難解決那如果再有就是說調漲這個掛號費那民眾要增加支出其實是非常不公平的啦那為了但是為了要留住而且鼓勵偏鄉的基層醫療院所我是同意增加他們的收入但是我不同意增加民眾的醫療支出我只是在我們那種前提之下因為我們去看\n\n28\n00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:05,140\n進行專題報\n\n29\n00:10:29,512 --> 00:10:39,797\n那這個但是到底怎麼樣才是一個合理的價錢這個也要考慮到比如說偏鄉啦部落的大家的這個工作狀態收入是怎麼樣\n\n30\n00:10:41,391 --> 00:11:01,874\n所以在我們當初做那個公告的時候,我們就特別強調一定要去防止這個聯合壟斷。第二個就是對偏鄉,如果他是一個寡占或獨占,就給他一間或者兩家,這種情形我們要特別去注意,可能我們就會去做管理、管制。\n\n31\n00:11:03,158 --> 00:11:28,430\n因為目前我們還不太清楚有什麼樣的管制方式除了就是說要登記以外啦因為我一方面委員放心啦這我們一定可以有辦法提早讓我們知道安心一下不然我們整天追著這個問題跑啊好那就是時間也到再會後請那個部長再跟我們告知一下好謝謝好謝謝陳英委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9501\t10603\t謝主席麻煩請部長請薛部長\n19231\t37457\t在2016年的長照2.0開始之後有關於這個文件站造福源薪水發放這件事情我在衛環委員會還有內政委員會已經質詢過非常非常多次那部長你知道今年二月的農曆年文件站造福源差一點又沒有薪水可以過年嗎?\n39918\t56284\t後來我有了解這部分的話其實是那個那個人民會那邊的計畫跟他的一個補正的資料的話來得太慢了所以我們這只能在農曆年前的幾天才能夠把錢撥下去\n58105\t81064\t他們說你們的問題,你們說他們的問題。那就是私信。我的私信就是我二月初接到文件站的陳情,表示說協會還沒有收到今年第一期的經費。這次的狀況是因為二月八號就放假過年,他們是很怕沒有辦法發薪水給教福員。\n81764\t84666\t新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告\n106724\t134763\t二月八號是過年的年假一直追的結果就是二月五號人民會的帳戶收到經費因為剛剛部長二月六號然後人民會趕快把錢匯到各縣市政府二月七號各縣市政府趕快把錢匯到文件站的協會那這一天已經是連假的前一天那一般連假前一天其實大家就是\n135143\t139745\t二、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長就 «出養童遭虐致死事件檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告》\n154353\t171762\t趕著跑銀行匯薪水給教福員那部長剛剛講說原民會的送的計畫太慢那他們照理來講應該都要幾號之前要送給你們在去年112年的這個預算的監會他在111年的12月23就來申請了\n180373\t208388\t但是今年的113年的經費的話他是在今年的1月3號才來申請所以中天的話其實一開始就慢了1月3號來申請之後我們要求他把文件補齊所以1月16號才把文件補齊然後1月26號才抽範領據因為領據金額又有不一樣所以在1月26號我們就核定出去\n209349\t235080\t所以那個部長你剛剛說照理來講那園民會理應要在什麼時候?去年年底的時候就要來申請了去年年底就是比如12月31號之前他們就要申請?對啊因為往年也是這個樣子啊好那所以到1月3號就是慢了三天就是會影響到整個的?前一年的話是12月23他就來申請\n237709\t243894\t一、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長就 «出養童遭虐致死事件檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告》\n257734\t265241\t一、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長就 «出養童遭虐致死事件檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告》\n272881\t287612\t一月十六號才補齊文件然後後來我們又發現說原來的領據的金額跟核定的金額又不一樣所以又來抽換領據當天我們就核發出去所以一月十六號抽換領據二月二十六\n288813\t304349\t二月二十六號,一月二十六號,抽換領據。我想是這樣子,今天不管是哪個單位的部分卡住,因為在\n306551\t322641\t因為我這邊了解的過程原民會1月3號發函給衛福部嘛那至於就是說抽換狀況怎麼樣或許他們沒有老實講但是呢我覺得未來要避免這樣子的狀況就是說不管是怎麼樣因為總是\n324102\t348184\t我不曉得是中間前面有聯絡上的問題或者是怎麼樣的情形那為什麼抽換文件他沒有在第一時間你們沒有告知或者是他後來才發現還是怎麼樣不管是怎麼樣其實我們的要求就是很簡單就是會希望時間到了他們就可以如期收到收到薪水\n348564\t359119\t對,所以前一年的年底就應該要來申請,這樣大家有比較多的餘裕來可以來補救那些如果說文件不齊全的這個部分\n360072\t378252\t對那所以我想這個部分我想或許下一次也應該兩個單位一起我們再互相幫忙或許他們也需要幫忙那我們就幫幫他們那時間到了那因為這個你知道兆福有多少人嗎\n379491\t389271\t文件站的一千多餒那一千多的沒有如期領到薪水的話那就是一千多個家庭耶所以這個部分那個\n390666\t415565\t就是等於是說好那是不是時間到年底了阿如果他們都還沒有送件那是不是你們這裡也可以稍微追一下關心一下我們有跟原民會的副首長的一個副首長我們的次長跟原民會的副主委有一個定期的聯繫的會報我想在那個部分我們再來做一個提醒\n416073\t439914\t我想這次你們的定期應該沒有討論到這個問題不然我要拿來這裡講講老半天只有人民會的問題那這樣也很漏氣所以他們漏氣不是我漏氣我就負責追遣所以這個部分也拜託衛福部可以再多協助萬一他們真的慢幾天也請你們趕工一下\n440555\t460861\t好那未來對剛剛講說這個定期會議的部分來做一下檢討那也把種種可能發生的情況大家討論討論然後避免這樣子的狀況發生那另外我要再請教一下就是這個月初衛福部有宣布取消了2010年公佈的這個掛號費參考的標準範圍那我非常支持說\n464562\t471363\t此舉會不會對於偏鄉醫療的權利就是一種雪上加霜的一個狀況因為民眾都很擔心未來的掛號費會不會亂漲那會不會漲得不像樣那當時部長的回答是說就讓它回歸到這個市場機制那部長你有提到這個嘛回歸到市場機制\n494787\t521702\t報告委員我說原則上回到市場機制但是對於偏鄉如果是他有形成寡占市場的部分我們還是要介入好 這個我也理解但是因為我想要講的就是說所謂回歸到市場機制有一個前提就是說他必須要是要在一個完全競爭的市場對 要有多多的競爭者也就是說消費者呢\n523143\t551562\t有這個完整的選擇權利那可是我們偏鄉裡面呢整個鄉鎮可能就只有一間或兩間診所他偏鄉的居民沒有選擇的權利那如果說掛號費提高到超過水準然後我們才要來關注沒有這個我們因為隨時他掛號費要這個調整的時候其實我們現在有建立有健保署那邊有一個追蹤的一個系統\n555395\t574892\t因為我們當時有請教議事司啦就是說如果遇到這個狀況你們的回答是說如果遇到後有個案我們再來瞭解處理所以這樣的回答我就會質疑那宣布政策之前都沒有想過說可能發生的情況那應該有什麼樣的配套\n576893\t604800\t因為在偏鄉有醫療資源可靜性的問題其實是很難解決那如果再有就是說調漲這個掛號費那民眾要增加支出其實是非常不公平的啦那為了但是為了要留住而且鼓勵偏鄉的基層醫療院所我是同意增加他們的收入但是我不同意增加民眾的醫療支出我只是在我們那種前提之下因為我們去看\n605120\t605140\t進行專題報\n629512\t639797\t那這個但是到底怎麼樣才是一個合理的價錢這個也要考慮到比如說偏鄉啦部落的大家的這個工作狀態收入是怎麼樣\n641391\t661874\t所以在我們當初做那個公告的時候,我們就特別強調一定要去防止這個聯合壟斷。第二個就是對偏鄉,如果他是一個寡占或獨占,就給他一間或者兩家,這種情形我們要特別去注意,可能我們就會去做管理、管制。\n663158\t688430\t因為目前我們還不太清楚有什麼樣的管制方式除了就是說要登記以外啦因為我一方面委員放心啦這我們一定可以有辦法提早讓我們知道安心一下不然我們整天追著這個問題跑啊好那就是時間也到再會後請那個部長再跟我們告知一下好謝謝好謝謝陳英委員\n","txt":"謝主席麻煩請部長請薛部長\n在2016年的長照2.0開始之後有關於這個文件站造福源薪水發放這件事情我在衛環委員會還有內政委員會已經質詢過非常非常多次那部長你知道今年二月的農曆年文件站造福源差一點又沒有薪水可以過年嗎?\n後來我有了解這部分的話其實是那個那個人民會那邊的計畫跟他的一個補正的資料的話來得太慢了所以我們這只能在農曆年前的幾天才能夠把錢撥下去\n他們說你們的問題,你們說他們的問題。那就是私信。我的私信就是我二月初接到文件站的陳情,表示說協會還沒有收到今年第一期的經費。這次的狀況是因為二月八號就放假過年,他們是很怕沒有辦法發薪水給教福員。\n新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告\n二月八號是過年的年假一直追的結果就是二月五號人民會的帳戶收到經費因為剛剛部長二月六號然後人民會趕快把錢匯到各縣市政府二月七號各縣市政府趕快把錢匯到文件站的協會那這一天已經是連假的前一天那一般連假前一天其實大家就是\n二、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長就 «出養童遭虐致死事件檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告》\n趕著跑銀行匯薪水給教福員那部長剛剛講說原民會的送的計畫太慢那他們照理來講應該都要幾號之前要送給你們在去年112年的這個預算的監會他在111年的12月23就來申請了\n但是今年的113年的經費的話他是在今年的1月3號才來申請所以中天的話其實一開始就慢了1月3號來申請之後我們要求他把文件補齊所以1月16號才把文件補齊然後1月26號才抽範領據因為領據金額又有不一樣所以在1月26號我們就核定出去\n所以那個部長你剛剛說照理來講那園民會理應要在什麼時候?去年年底的時候就要來申請了去年年底就是比如12月31號之前他們就要申請?對啊因為往年也是這個樣子啊好那所以到1月3號就是慢了三天就是會影響到整個的?前一年的話是12月23他就來申請\n一、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長就 «出養童遭虐致死事件檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告》\n一、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長就 «出養童遭虐致死事件檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告》\n一月十六號才補齊文件然後後來我們又發現說原來的領據的金額跟核定的金額又不一樣所以又來抽換領據當天我們就核發出去所以一月十六號抽換領據二月二十六\n二月二十六號,一月二十六號,抽換領據。我想是這樣子,今天不管是哪個單位的部分卡住,因為在\n因為我這邊了解的過程原民會1月3號發函給衛福部嘛那至於就是說抽換狀況怎麼樣或許他們沒有老實講但是呢我覺得未來要避免這樣子的狀況就是說不管是怎麼樣因為總是\n我不曉得是中間前面有聯絡上的問題或者是怎麼樣的情形那為什麼抽換文件他沒有在第一時間你們沒有告知或者是他後來才發現還是怎麼樣不管是怎麼樣其實我們的要求就是很簡單就是會希望時間到了他們就可以如期收到收到薪水\n對,所以前一年的年底就應該要來申請,這樣大家有比較多的餘裕來可以來補救那些如果說文件不齊全的這個部分\n對那所以我想這個部分我想或許下一次也應該兩個單位一起我們再互相幫忙或許他們也需要幫忙那我們就幫幫他們那時間到了那因為這個你知道兆福有多少人嗎\n文件站的一千多餒那一千多的沒有如期領到薪水的話那就是一千多個家庭耶所以這個部分那個\n就是等於是說好那是不是時間到年底了阿如果他們都還沒有送件那是不是你們這裡也可以稍微追一下關心一下我們有跟原民會的副首長的一個副首長我們的次長跟原民會的副主委有一個定期的聯繫的會報我想在那個部分我們再來做一個提醒\n我想這次你們的定期應該沒有討論到這個問題不然我要拿來這裡講講老半天只有人民會的問題那這樣也很漏氣所以他們漏氣不是我漏氣我就負責追遣所以這個部分也拜託衛福部可以再多協助萬一他們真的慢幾天也請你們趕工一下\n好那未來對剛剛講說這個定期會議的部分來做一下檢討那也把種種可能發生的情況大家討論討論然後避免這樣子的狀況發生那另外我要再請教一下就是這個月初衛福部有宣布取消了2010年公佈的這個掛號費參考的標準範圍那我非常支持說\n此舉會不會對於偏鄉醫療的權利就是一種雪上加霜的一個狀況因為民眾都很擔心未來的掛號費會不會亂漲那會不會漲得不像樣那當時部長的回答是說就讓它回歸到這個市場機制那部長你有提到這個嘛回歸到市場機制\n報告委員我說原則上回到市場機制但是對於偏鄉如果是他有形成寡占市場的部分我們還是要介入好 這個我也理解但是因為我想要講的就是說所謂回歸到市場機制有一個前提就是說他必須要是要在一個完全競爭的市場對 要有多多的競爭者也就是說消費者呢\n有這個完整的選擇權利那可是我們偏鄉裡面呢整個鄉鎮可能就只有一間或兩間診所他偏鄉的居民沒有選擇的權利那如果說掛號費提高到超過水準然後我們才要來關注沒有這個我們因為隨時他掛號費要這個調整的時候其實我們現在有建立有健保署那邊有一個追蹤的一個系統\n因為我們當時有請教議事司啦就是說如果遇到這個狀況你們的回答是說如果遇到後有個案我們再來瞭解處理所以這樣的回答我就會質疑那宣布政策之前都沒有想過說可能發生的情況那應該有什麼樣的配套\n因為在偏鄉有醫療資源可靜性的問題其實是很難解決那如果再有就是說調漲這個掛號費那民眾要增加支出其實是非常不公平的啦那為了但是為了要留住而且鼓勵偏鄉的基層醫療院所我是同意增加他們的收入但是我不同意增加民眾的醫療支出我只是在我們那種前提之下因為我們去看\n進行專題報\n那這個但是到底怎麼樣才是一個合理的價錢這個也要考慮到比如說偏鄉啦部落的大家的這個工作狀態收入是怎麼樣\n所以在我們當初做那個公告的時候,我們就特別強調一定要去防止這個聯合壟斷。第二個就是對偏鄉,如果他是一個寡占或獨占,就給他一間或者兩家,這種情形我們要特別去注意,可能我們就會去做管理、管制。\n因為目前我們還不太清楚有什麼樣的管制方式除了就是說要登記以外啦因為我一方面委員放心啦這我們一定可以有辦法提早讓我們知道安心一下不然我們整天追著這個問題跑啊好那就是時間也到再會後請那個部長再跟我們告知一下好謝謝好謝謝陳英委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.501 --> 00:10.603\n謝主席麻煩請部長請薛部長\n\n00:19.231 --> 00:37.457\n在2016年的長照2.0開始之後有關於這個文件站造福源薪水發放這件事情我在衛環委員會還有內政委員會已經質詢過非常非常多次那部長你知道今年二月的農曆年文件站造福源差一點又沒有薪水可以過年嗎?\n\n00:39.918 --> 00:56.284\n後來我有了解這部分的話其實是那個那個人民會那邊的計畫跟他的一個補正的資料的話來得太慢了所以我們這只能在農曆年前的幾天才能夠把錢撥下去\n\n00:58.105 --> 01:21.064\n他們說你們的問題,你們說他們的問題。那就是私信。我的私信就是我二月初接到文件站的陳情,表示說協會還沒有收到今年第一期的經費。這次的狀況是因為二月八號就放假過年,他們是很怕沒有辦法發薪水給教福員。\n\n01:21.764 --> 01:24.666\n新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告\n\n01:46.724 --> 02:14.763\n二月八號是過年的年假一直追的結果就是二月五號人民會的帳戶收到經費因為剛剛部長二月六號然後人民會趕快把錢匯到各縣市政府二月七號各縣市政府趕快把錢匯到文件站的協會那這一天已經是連假的前一天那一般連假前一天其實大家就是\n\n02:15.143 --> 02:19.745\n二、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長就«出養童遭虐致死事件檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告》\n\n02:34.353 --> 02:51.762\n趕著跑銀行匯薪水給教福員那部長剛剛講說原民會的送的計畫太慢那他們照理來講應該都要幾號之前要送給你們在去年112年的這個預算的監會他在111年的12月23就來申請了\n\n03:00.373 --> 03:28.388\n但是今年的113年的經費的話他是在今年的1月3號才來申請所以中天的話其實一開始就慢了1月3號來申請之後我們要求他把文件補齊所以1月16號才把文件補齊然後1月26號才抽範領據因為領據金額又有不一樣所以在1月26號我們就核定出去\n\n03:29.349 --> 03:55.080\n所以那個部長你剛剛說照理來講那園民會理應要在什麼時候?去年年底的時候就要來申請了去年年底就是比如12月31號之前他們就要申請?對啊因為往年也是這個樣子啊好那所以到1月3號就是慢了三天就是會影響到整個的?前一年的話是12月23他就來申請\n\n03:57.709 --> 04:03.894\n一、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長就«出養童遭虐致死事件檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告》\n\n04:17.734 --> 04:25.241\n一、邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部次長就«出養童遭虐致死事件檢討會議要求新北市政府、臺北市政府及兒童福利聯盟所提供之檢討報告》\n\n04:32.881 --> 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